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United States President Donald Trump's ardent supporters frequently gather in one place on reddit, r/The_Donald.
The subreddit likes to think of itself as the last remaining bastion of reason and discussion, not poisoned by a liberal agenda.
Given this self-regard, no matter how laughable, it's surprising that they so quickly engage in doublethink and groupthink.
In the hours after the Las Vegas shooting, in which over 50 people were killed and 500 injured, members of The_Donald speculated that the shooter was an Islamist terrorist.
With no evidence, they began to speculate that the attack was religiously motivated, with an anti-west agenda, and began saying the attack justified Trump's policies hostile to refugees and Muslims.
When it emerged the shooter's identity was Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old white man, the subreddit started saying the attack didn't make sense - stressing there was no political agenda to it. Or worse, that there must be a hidden leftist agenda, or that it was possibly a false flag attack.
Reddit quickly began contrasting the comments, showing how the subreddit only believes what it wants to, bending evidence to fit predetermined conclusions.
Good side by side pics at the link.
The "liberal" media and unfortunately many of our fellow DUers won't call him a terrorist using the excuse that white people never have a political agenda and always deserve a benefit of a doubt.
It's comforting to think monsters come from somewhere else and look like someone else.
It is very unsettling to face the possibility that monsters might be from our own country, state, town, and look like anyone else we see every day. Because if terrorists look like you, then people might view you with suspicion and treat you differently. And that makes a difference, doesn't it?
Brown people deal with this every day, every flight, and every job interview when they suspect our loyalties to our own country.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)irisblue
(32,969 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)in order to push for gun regulations or something I'm not quite sure. There are a large number of crazy people out there that believe this shit.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)they benefit from deflecting it towards other types of people
brush
(53,771 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Serial killers, mass murderers etc. always seem to be white males.
niyad
(113,278 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Evidenced by the desperate what if he had a brain tumor thread.
kcr
(15,315 posts)No way a rich white guy does something like this! The media are hiding something from us. The facts don't add up! How does one book a hotel room? Mysterious!
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)Can we possibly pin this on POC SOMEHOW?
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)and housekeeping doesn't enter.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)I was sarcastically imitating others on DU who are wondering why the hell housekeeping didn't somehow notice and stop this, because apparently they want people going through our luggage when switching out towels, or something.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)required to have guests take off their shoes and go through TSA before check in.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And everyone knows this.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)yardwork
(61,599 posts)Its difficult for some people to imagine that white men are violent. I dont know why.
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Kleveland
(1,257 posts)I would say that white men of Western societies have been pretty violent overall!
Especially when fueled by maniacal greed, religious dogma, and your standard every day race hatred.
Now, admittedly, Caucasians are totally not unique in this, but they sure have produced a plethora of hideous examples of such deplorable and murderous behavior.
My greatest dream, as far fetched as it is, is that the people of the world would get their shit together, and live in peace withe each other, and in harmony with nature.
I think I am in the most extreme wrong place in the universe.
NNadir
(33,515 posts)...the fat old (and clearly senile) man in the White House is also deported. Of course, since he is doing more damage than any terrorist can or has, I'd prefer deportation to Guantanamo for that son of a bitch.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)If not, then you can not just assume something not in evidence. My definition of a terrorist is someone who uses terror to accomplish a goal, or instills terror by a mass casualty/action. Some will say I use the term incorrectly.
I did not read any post stated by "DUers (who) won't call him a terrorist using the excuse that white people never have a political agenda and always deserve a benefit of a doubt."
I call BS on that. Blanket statements based on race are racist.
And no the attack does not "make sense", even if he had a political goal.
In the absence of evidence, i can only assume he had a psychotic break, and/or was psychotic and had not killed previously.
And just for the record, men commit the majority of violence in our world. Women deal with the reality of threats every single day, in the home, at the work place and everywhere in between. Your omissions are quite telling.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)I bet if you ask people, they don't know ISIS's goals or the Orlando shooter's goals either. People were terrorized. It's terrorism.
The hesitation to use the t word is because he was white. There's always doubt for whites. There's ONLY doubt for whites.
Never any doubts for Muslims though. They don't have psychotic breaks?
When terrorists look like you, someone might think you look like a terrorist. And you don't want that kind of discrimination.
No one is denying that this terrorist is male. Muslim women probably get discrimination and harassment more than Muslim males if they are easier to spot based on their clothing.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)can correctly surmise is this paddock was the shooter and to him white lives didn't matter and all lives didn't matter....so when destroying anyone and everyone no matter who, that's a terroristic act....period. People can equivocate, dance around and look for specious reasons for this terrorist to commit his heinous act...nothing can take away the fact this white, probably racist, definitely anti-government male is a domestic terrorist....
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,328 posts)add up" or that "there must be something more."
I found this article from a couple years ago helpful:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/white-men-have-much-to-discuss-about-mass-shootings/2013/03/29/7b001d02-97f3-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html?utm_term=.e2dca51fd2a8
But when the criminals and leaders are white men, race and gender become the elephant in the room.
(snip)
If life were equitable, white male gun-rights advocates would face some serious questions to assess their degree of credibility and objectivity. We would expect them to explain:
What facets of white male culture create so many mass shootings?
Why are so many white men and boys producing and entertaining themselves with violent video games and other media?
Why do white men buy, sell and manufacture guns for profit; attend gun shows; and demonstrate for unrestricted gun access disproportionately more than people of other ethnicities or races?
Why are white male congressmen leading the fight against gun control?
If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)1. After hearing about the shooting find out of the shooter is non-white
2. If the shooter is non-white he is either ISIS, BLM, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, undocumented Latino or liberal.
3. If the shooter is white find out if he is a Hilary supporter or voted for Obama, then find out if he is a liberal.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Their ideological goal is to have everyone and everything please them. If that fails to happen to their satisfaction, they will kill someone or many. If that's not terrifying, what is?
Marthe48
(16,948 posts)The nra and republicans just make it easier to get there. Even when our representatives are attacked by an armed man, they don't care. Just do their damnedest to make an excuse. Twisting like pretzels.
I heard a joke once-WHat's a politician's favorite color? The answer was plaid.
Now I think the answer is blood-spattered.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)In the wake of the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history, the mainstream media has tried to make sense as to why Stephen Paddock, 64, would commit such a senseless, vile act. Right-wing media, on the other hand, has undergone a campaign to blame CNN, ISIS and the left for the tragedy. Hours after the massacre unfolded, right-wing website Gateway Pundit alleged that a "far left" man was behind the shooting. This was based off of theories on anonymous message boards such as 4chan.
A pattern soon emerged in which most of conservative media propagated theories that held the media and the left responsible.
Take, for example, Rush Limbaugh, the king of right-wing media, who argued that American media outlets were purposely downplaying the shooter's link to ISIS. He cited ISIS's own news agency which claimed responsibility for the attack. Limbaugh asserts that ISIS had to create their own news outlet because "the American drive-bys do not want ISIS being credited with this stuff" because to the American left, there is no such thing as militant Islamic terrorism."
Pat Robertson, a TV preacher, said Monday the violence in Las Vegas was the result of "disrespect" for President Trump. The Televangelist and Trump supporter said the NFL protests taking place were an example of the "profound disrespect for our president," which he claims is the nexus for the violence.
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