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IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 12:28 PM Oct 2017

Donald Trump supporters cant handle the fact that Las Vegas shooter was white

https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-supporters-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-gunman-white-race-thedonald-7980076?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

United States President Donald Trump's ardent supporters frequently gather in one place on reddit, r/The_Donald.

The subreddit likes to think of itself as the last remaining bastion of reason and discussion, not poisoned by a liberal agenda.

Given this self-regard, no matter how laughable, it's surprising that they so quickly engage in doublethink and groupthink.

In the hours after the Las Vegas shooting, in which over 50 people were killed and 500 injured, members of The_Donald speculated that the shooter was an Islamist terrorist.

With no evidence, they began to speculate that the attack was religiously motivated, with an anti-west agenda, and began saying the attack justified Trump's policies hostile to refugees and Muslims.

When it emerged the shooter's identity was Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old white man, the subreddit started saying the attack didn't make sense - stressing there was no political agenda to it. Or worse, that there must be a hidden leftist agenda, or that it was possibly a false flag attack.

Reddit quickly began contrasting the comments, showing how the subreddit only believes what it wants to, bending evidence to fit predetermined conclusions.


Good side by side pics at the link.

The "liberal" media and unfortunately many of our fellow DUers won't call him a terrorist using the excuse that white people never have a political agenda and always deserve a benefit of a doubt.

It's comforting to think monsters come from somewhere else and look like someone else.

It is very unsettling to face the possibility that monsters might be from our own country, state, town, and look like anyone else we see every day. Because if terrorists look like you, then people might view you with suspicion and treat you differently. And that makes a difference, doesn't it?

Brown people deal with this every day, every flight, and every job interview when they suspect our loyalties to our own country.

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Donald Trump supporters cant handle the fact that Las Vegas shooter was white (Original Post) IronLionZion Oct 2017 OP
Hey We're No. 1-Timothy McVeigh (168) Stephen Paddock (59) Stallion Oct 2017 #1
Adam Lanza 26.... irisblue Oct 2017 #15
According to the worst of them this is a "False Flag" The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #2
Fueled by Alex Jones n2doc Oct 2017 #5
Yep. nt SunSeeker Oct 2017 #3
Haven't most of the mass and serial killers been white males? What's the surprise? brush Oct 2017 #4
Denial, not surprise IronLionZion Oct 2017 #6
Yep, don't want to face reality. brush Oct 2017 #8
No surprise to me. cwydro Oct 2017 #11
homegrown white male terrorist niyad Oct 2017 #7
Hell there's people here that can't handle it. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #9
Or how about the ones who think booking a hotel room is complicated! He couldn't have acted alone! kcr Oct 2017 #12
DIDN'T HOUSEKEEPING NOTICE ANYTHING? WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #20
You can just leave the Do Not Disturb sign on the door Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2017 #22
Yes, I know. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #24
Oh, sorry. Yeah, I can just see the only thing changing after this is that all hotels will be Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2017 #26
Most of these asshats are white. cwydro Oct 2017 #10
Thank GAWD they aren't politicizing a tragedy so soon after it happened! yellowcanine Oct 2017 #13
Im seeing that here on DU. Bizarre conspiracy speculations. yardwork Oct 2017 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author demigoddess Oct 2017 #18
Based on a clear examination of the world's history... Kleveland Oct 2017 #29
Well, as a fat old white guy, I'd be willing to be deported if NNadir Oct 2017 #16
Depends on what definition of terrorist you are using. Did he have a political or ideological goal? 58Sunliner Oct 2017 #17
No one knows the goals IronLionZion Oct 2017 #21
The only thing I heaven05 Oct 2017 #23
I feel like we see some of that here, too, with all the posts from people saying that "it doesn't WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #19
this heaven05 Oct 2017 #25
When there is a shooting this is the Trump supporter logic... SummerSnow Oct 2017 #27
Well, it can't be laid on all white males, but there is a subset that constitutes a terrorist group. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2017 #28
Almost everybody could go the wrong way Marthe48 Oct 2017 #30
Right-wing media blames ISIS, Democrats, CNN, anthem protests for Las Vegas shooting IronLionZion Oct 2017 #31
 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
2. According to the worst of them this is a "False Flag"
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 12:34 PM
Oct 2017

in order to push for gun regulations or something I'm not quite sure. There are a large number of crazy people out there that believe this shit.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
9. Hell there's people here that can't handle it.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:25 PM
Oct 2017

Evidenced by the desperate what if he had a brain tumor thread.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
12. Or how about the ones who think booking a hotel room is complicated! He couldn't have acted alone!
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:43 PM
Oct 2017

No way a rich white guy does something like this! The media are hiding something from us. The facts don't add up! How does one book a hotel room? Mysterious!

...

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,328 posts)
24. Yes, I know.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:17 PM
Oct 2017

I was sarcastically imitating others on DU who are wondering why the hell housekeeping didn't somehow notice and stop this, because apparently they want people going through our luggage when switching out towels, or something.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
26. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I can just see the only thing changing after this is that all hotels will be
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:21 PM
Oct 2017

required to have guests take off their shoes and go through TSA before check in.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
14. Im seeing that here on DU. Bizarre conspiracy speculations.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:34 PM
Oct 2017

It’s difficult for some people to imagine that white men are violent. I don’t know why.

Response to yardwork (Reply #14)

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
29. Based on a clear examination of the world's history...
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:32 PM
Oct 2017

I would say that white men of Western societies have been pretty violent overall!

Especially when fueled by maniacal greed, religious dogma, and your standard every day race hatred.

Now, admittedly, Caucasians are totally not unique in this, but they sure have produced a plethora of hideous examples of such deplorable and murderous behavior.

My greatest dream, as far fetched as it is, is that the people of the world would get their shit together, and live in peace withe each other, and in harmony with nature.

I think I am in the most extreme wrong place in the universe.

NNadir

(33,515 posts)
16. Well, as a fat old white guy, I'd be willing to be deported if
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:46 PM
Oct 2017

...the fat old (and clearly senile) man in the White House is also deported. Of course, since he is doing more damage than any terrorist can or has, I'd prefer deportation to Guantanamo for that son of a bitch.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
17. Depends on what definition of terrorist you are using. Did he have a political or ideological goal?
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:00 PM
Oct 2017

If not, then you can not just assume something not in evidence. My definition of a terrorist is someone who uses terror to accomplish a goal, or instills terror by a mass casualty/action. Some will say I use the term incorrectly.
I did not read any post stated by "DUers (who) won't call him a terrorist using the excuse that white people never have a political agenda and always deserve a benefit of a doubt."
I call BS on that. Blanket statements based on race are racist.
And no the attack does not "make sense", even if he had a political goal.
In the absence of evidence, i can only assume he had a psychotic break, and/or was psychotic and had not killed previously.
And just for the record, men commit the majority of violence in our world. Women deal with the reality of threats every single day, in the home, at the work place and everywhere in between. Your omissions are quite telling.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
21. No one knows the goals
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:13 PM
Oct 2017

I bet if you ask people, they don't know ISIS's goals or the Orlando shooter's goals either. People were terrorized. It's terrorism.

The hesitation to use the t word is because he was white. There's always doubt for whites. There's ONLY doubt for whites.

Never any doubts for Muslims though. They don't have psychotic breaks?

When terrorists look like you, someone might think you look like a terrorist. And you don't want that kind of discrimination.

No one is denying that this terrorist is male. Muslim women probably get discrimination and harassment more than Muslim males if they are easier to spot based on their clothing.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
23. The only thing I
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:16 PM
Oct 2017

can correctly surmise is this paddock was the shooter and to him white lives didn't matter and all lives didn't matter....so when destroying anyone and everyone no matter who, that's a terroristic act....period. People can equivocate, dance around and look for specious reasons for this terrorist to commit his heinous act...nothing can take away the fact this white, probably racist, definitely anti-government male is a domestic terrorist....

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,328 posts)
19. I feel like we see some of that here, too, with all the posts from people saying that "it doesn't
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:11 PM
Oct 2017

add up" or that "there must be something more."

I found this article from a couple years ago helpful:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/white-men-have-much-to-discuss-about-mass-shootings/2013/03/29/7b001d02-97f3-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html?utm_term=.e2dca51fd2a8

Imagine if African American men and boys were committing mass shootings month after month, year after year. Articles and interviews would flood the media, and we’d have political debates demanding that African Americans be “held accountable.” Then, if an atrocity such as the Newtown, Conn., shootings took place and African American male leaders held a news conference to offer solutions, their credibility would be questionable. The public would tell these leaders that they need to focus on problems in their own culture and communities.

But when the criminals and leaders are white men, race and gender become the elephant in the room.

(snip)

If life were equitable, white male gun-rights advocates would face some serious questions to assess their degree of credibility and objectivity. We would expect them to explain:

What facets of white male culture create so many mass shootings?

Why are so many white men and boys producing and entertaining themselves with violent video games and other media?

Why do white men buy, sell and manufacture guns for profit; attend gun shows; and demonstrate for unrestricted gun access disproportionately more than people of other ethnicities or races?

Why are white male congressmen leading the fight against gun control?

If Americans ask the right questions on gun issues, we will get the right answers.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
27. When there is a shooting this is the Trump supporter logic...
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:23 PM
Oct 2017

1. After hearing about the shooting find out of the shooter is non-white
2. If the shooter is non-white he is either ISIS, BLM, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, undocumented Latino or liberal.
3. If the shooter is white find out if he is a Hilary supporter or voted for Obama, then find out if he is a liberal.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
28. Well, it can't be laid on all white males, but there is a subset that constitutes a terrorist group.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:27 PM
Oct 2017

Their ideological goal is to have everyone and everything please them. If that fails to happen to their satisfaction, they will kill someone or many. If that's not terrifying, what is?

Marthe48

(16,948 posts)
30. Almost everybody could go the wrong way
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

The nra and republicans just make it easier to get there. Even when our representatives are attacked by an armed man, they don't care. Just do their damnedest to make an excuse. Twisting like pretzels.

I heard a joke once-WHat's a politician's favorite color? The answer was plaid.

Now I think the answer is blood-spattered.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
31. Right-wing media blames ISIS, Democrats, CNN, anthem protests for Las Vegas shooting
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 04:07 PM
Oct 2017
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/03/right-wing-media-blames-isis-democrats-cnn-anthem-protests-for-las-vegas-shooting/

In the wake of the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history, the mainstream media has tried to make sense as to why Stephen Paddock, 64, would commit such a senseless, vile act. Right-wing media, on the other hand, has undergone a campaign to blame CNN, ISIS and the left for the tragedy. Hours after the massacre unfolded, right-wing website Gateway Pundit alleged that a "far left" man was behind the shooting. This was based off of theories on anonymous message boards such as 4chan.

A pattern soon emerged in which most of conservative media propagated theories that held the media and the left responsible.
Take, for example, Rush Limbaugh, the king of right-wing media, who argued that American media outlets were purposely downplaying the shooter's link to ISIS. He cited ISIS's own news agency which claimed responsibility for the attack. Limbaugh asserts that ISIS had to create their own news outlet because "the American drive-bys do not want ISIS being credited with this stuff" because to “the American left, there is no such thing as militant Islamic terrorism."

Pat Robertson, a TV preacher, said Monday the violence in Las Vegas was the result of "disrespect" for President Trump. The Televangelist and Trump supporter said the NFL protests taking place were an example of the "profound disrespect for our president," which he claims is the nexus for the violence.


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