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USA votes AGAINST banning death penalty for being gay. (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 OP
so basically the only thing they hate about sharia law is the name. unblock Oct 2017 #1
Rather than protect LGBTQ lives the Trump administration "protects" the death penalty. procon Oct 2017 #2
Here is a link to the resolution angrychair Oct 2017 #3
Something something e-mails, you know the rest: Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #4
We are over, our country. For real, sorry to tell everybody. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #5
Unbelievable pokerfan Oct 2017 #6
i used to think we were better than this. spanone Oct 2017 #7
Good effin' grief malaise Oct 2017 #8
I'm so ashamed. I have no other words. Boomerproud Oct 2017 #9
The US has voted against every UN death penalty resolution for years. onenote Oct 2017 #10

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Rather than protect LGBTQ lives the Trump administration "protects" the death penalty.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:46 PM
Oct 2017
It wasn't just about the provision protecting LGBT people from being killed via the death penalty. The US just really likes the death penalty... But it isn't just this particular resolution or the current administration — the US has never supported any measure at the UN that condemns the death penalty.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/the-us-voted-against-a-un-resolution-condemning-the-death?utm_term=.hj9oo513Gq#.tvkVV6GQgw


Our country is just so into killing people that we can't even condemn killing people simply because they were born gay. Trump now supports Roy Moore for the Senate, and he wants to criminalize homosexuality, so Trump is setting an agenda to punish the LGBTQ community.

angrychair

(8,736 posts)
3. Here is a link to the resolution
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:48 PM
Oct 2017

It is, unfortunately, non-binding which makes it even more ridiculous and insulting that we cannot even agree to such things in principle.
http://www.universal-rights.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/The-question-of-the-death-penalty.pdf

Objectively, I would state it has as much to do with the position of the resolution on the economic inequality of the application of the death penalty as well as its mention of applying the death penalty to the handicap and those under 18.
I would also guess, given the current religious fervor of the US, that it also would like to leave the application for the death penalty for things like blasphemy open-ended as well.

It’s disturbing and shocking but it has a lot more to do with right wing politics influence on our decisions than is specific to this administration as our record on this council was just as poor in the previous administration.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
5. We are over, our country. For real, sorry to tell everybody.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 04:31 PM
Oct 2017

Even if he is impeached tomorrow, an equally dumb man takes over.

That equally dumb man hates gays, and I mean he fucking HATES them, but not just them, POC too.

When that election was stolen on election day by on the ground KGB agents (dont call it the GRU, that is what Putey wants you to do) and GOP criminals.

Personally, I consider trump a traitor and Russia our enemy that we are in a war with.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
6. Unbelievable
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 05:15 PM
Oct 2017

Also from the article....

The US supported two failed amendments put forward by Russia, which stated the death penalty was not necessarily “a human rights violation” and that it is not a form of torture, but can lead to it “in some cases”.


The US State Department has been contacted for comment.


Yeah, good luck with that. If they do respond, I suppose it will be interesting to hear their spin, but the fact remains that This Administration Doesn't Represent Me!

onenote

(42,779 posts)
10. The US has voted against every UN death penalty resolution for years.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 05:39 PM
Oct 2017

It doesn't matter what they say if they contain a reference, as does this one, to the Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which commits members to abolish the death penalty -- a protocol the US, under Democratic and Republican administrations, has consistently refused to sign onto since it was adopted in 1989.

Yes it sucks. But the reason it wasn't signed onto by the US had nothing to do with the language "condemning the use of the death penalty against persons with mental or intellectual disabilities, persons below 18 years of age at the time of the commission of the crime, and pregnant women," or "as a sanction for specific forms of conduct, such as apostasy, blasphemy, adultery and consensual same-sex relations, and expressing serious concern that the application of the death penalty for adultery is disproportionately imposed on women"

It has everything to do with the language calling upon countries (like the US) that "have not yet acceded to or ratified the Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights aiming at the abolition
of the death penalty to consider doing so."

Again, I'm not saying I agree with or approve of the US voting against the resolution -- just that it was hardly a surprise given its language and the country's consistent refusal for nearly three decades to support anything that tends towards a moratorium or abolition on the use of the death penalty.

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