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Posted Without Comment (Original Post) n2doc Oct 2017 OP
Oh my. :) n/t greeny2323 Oct 2017 #1
LOL Gothmog Oct 2017 #2
That is the tiniest hand I have ever seen outside of a newborn. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #3
Holy buckets. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #4
Indeed Lokilooney Oct 2017 #20
You're a clever one MontanaMama Oct 2017 #25
+2 Martin Eden Oct 2017 #32
but bluestarone Oct 2017 #5
s/b a 3 way, where is Putin? Motley13 Oct 2017 #6
No comment needed lunatica Oct 2017 #7
OMG. nt Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #8
Oooooh . . . those are SMALL hands. Vinca Oct 2017 #9
What's the big deal? ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #10
Pence was right! snort Oct 2017 #11
Please stop using homosexuality as an insult. n/t Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #12
Get it, but it is as much about servicing as anything else. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #13
It's about doing anything they want TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #14
And if it had been ass kissing or brown nosing, Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #17
That would still be man servicing man in an erogenous zone. Just as homosexual. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #24
I supposed it could be depicted as sexual, Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #30
No, it's not. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #15
That's due to the over-occupation of positions of power by men. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #21
we don't see any involving women becasue that would be deemed sexist Kaleva Oct 2017 #23
Gotcha. Better to be homophobic than sexist. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #28
If someone posted a cartoon of Kelly Ann or Sarah... Kaleva Oct 2017 #31
I'm not disagreeing - but this cartoon should be as well. Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #37
I hear what you are saying hueymahl Oct 2017 #22
Well it was mine, because I'm gay and I am sick and tired of being used Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #26
It's used all too often here on DU. cwydro Oct 2017 #39
Thank you! Saviolo Oct 2017 #40
thank you KentuckyWoman Oct 2017 #41
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2017 #16
Damn! I'm out of eyewash! nt Xipe Totec Oct 2017 #18
You should warn. Demobrat Oct 2017 #19
Mother would not approve. grantcart Oct 2017 #27
I did not need to see that. Calista241 Oct 2017 #29
HA HA, Trump's tiny hand Skittles Oct 2017 #33
The hand! This is too much JDC Oct 2017 #34
The Veep's new nickname: LudwigPastorius Oct 2017 #35
Would you insult pence or trump by implying they are black? Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #42
Dammit.. Just spilled my High Mountain coffee. Enoki33 Oct 2017 #36
OMG!!! That is disturbing!! Doreen Oct 2017 #38
I cant unsee this now kimbutgar Oct 2017 #43
damn, you nearly owed me a keyboard niyad Oct 2017 #44

Lokilooney

(322 posts)
20. Indeed
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:40 PM
Oct 2017

It definitely took some balls to draw, I hope Pence comes to the conclusion that this is what happens when he's receptive to hardliners.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. What's the big deal?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 05:51 PM
Oct 2017

A real friend and vice president checks the president daily for crabs... so they can add them to the number of supporters.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,064 posts)
13. Get it, but it is as much about servicing as anything else.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:18 PM
Oct 2017

Would have the same effectiveness if one or the other person was female.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
17. And if it had been ass kissing or brown nosing,
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:28 PM
Oct 2017

I wouldn't have asked the OP to stop using homosexuality as an insult.

That's simple enough, if that is truly the motive. But it's pretty clear that it is not from the number of insults thrown about that involve homosexual activity.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,064 posts)
24. That would still be man servicing man in an erogenous zone. Just as homosexual.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:46 PM
Oct 2017

Likewise the 'toon is about a person servicing a person in a frontal erogenous zone. Two persons who are male due to the preponderance of males in positions of power.

You get all upset because it is frontal, but not upset when it is rear. Inconsistent.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
30. I supposed it could be depicted as sexual,
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 07:07 PM
Oct 2017

but it is generally not.

I don't care whether it is frontal or not. I care that it is using Trump or Pence engaging in sexual activity with another man as an insult.

Ass-kissing and brown-nosing (as the phrases are commonly used) is not. If those activities were being depicted as engaging in sexual activity, of course I would have the same objection.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
15. No, it's not.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:27 PM
Oct 2017

You can barely turn around without running into an insult to trump that involves him having sex with another man (Putin, for example, as well as many others). I have not seen a singlecartoon about Trump being serviced by Huckabee Sanders or Conway - let alone one that has gone viral.

So no, it's not about servicing him or we would see those insults with his prominent female employees.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,064 posts)
21. That's due to the over-occupation of positions of power by men.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:42 PM
Oct 2017

If it were VP Mary Pence servicing Don the Con or Mike Pence servicing pres Ivanka Trump, the 'toon would be just as effective. Similarly if tRump were servicing a Ludmilla Putin.

But it does not show a woman because none of them are women. Fact. That is because the US and Russia have never had female Presidents or Vice Presidents. Fact.

Kaleva

(36,389 posts)
23. we don't see any involving women becasue that would be deemed sexist
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:45 PM
Oct 2017

We see cartoons involving Trump with Putin or Pence because it's okay to take a stab at bisexuality. This isn't about homosexuality because the three aren't gay so the cartoon in the OP is depicting bisexual behavior.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
28. Gotcha. Better to be homophobic than sexist.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 07:04 PM
Oct 2017

It is using homosexuality to insult Trump, largely becuase the cartoonist knows how offensive it would be to trump.

Kaleva

(36,389 posts)
31. If someone posted a cartoon of Kelly Ann or Sarah...
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 07:11 PM
Oct 2017

giving Trump a blow job, I dare say that post would be alerted on and hidden very quickly.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
37. I'm not disagreeing - but this cartoon should be as well.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 08:43 PM
Oct 2017

That's pretty much my point. Both sexism and homophobia are prohibited by the TOS. But homosexuals (and transgender individuals) are still considered fair game - ahd the use of homophobia to shame politicians we don't like - is still routinely accepted by far too many who claim to be liberal or progressive.

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
22. I hear what you are saying
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:43 PM
Oct 2017

An alternative view is Pence is Trump's subservient little weasel. He would do anything for him.

I appreciate the gay aspect of it as potentially an insult, but that was not my first reaction.

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
26. Well it was mine, because I'm gay and I am sick and tired of being used
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:47 PM
Oct 2017

as an insult.

Just like you can't use a baseball bat to bash someone's head in without there being an impact on the bat, you can't use me to bash Trump (or anyone else) without there beingan impact on me.

I suspect the idiots at Dove didn't have all of the whitewashing advertisements of prior years as their first reaction when they screened their new commercial, but you can bet every person of color did.

Saviolo

(3,284 posts)
40. Thank you!
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 10:34 AM
Oct 2017

Really tired of this.

Reminds me of every bully I knew in high school who thought they were my friend, and would put their arm around my shoulder and say, "I don't mean that there's anything wrong with you or anything, but THAT GUY OVER THERE IS A FAG! LOLOLOL!"

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
42. Would you insult pence or trump by implying they are black?
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 11:38 AM
Oct 2017

Of course not.

It is no more ok to insult them by implying they are gay. There are literally millions of insults that have nothing to do with being gay or having sex with another man. Please pick one of those millions. I am so tired of being used as a target by the right and a battering ram by progressives who should know better. Either way, I'm getting beaten up, since being hit and being used to hit someone else both feel pretty much the same.

kimbutgar

(21,248 posts)
43. I cant unsee this now
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:11 PM
Oct 2017

I will be having a good chuckle remembering this pic when I see Pence from now on.

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