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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, are you going to lose your health insurance now?
My wife and I will.
We have Kaiser through Covered CA. Our premium is $1202 a month. With ACA subsidies, we pay only $128 a month.
We were just informed that our monthly premium will go up to $1330 in 2018. Without subsidies, we are looking at a 1000% increase in our share of our insurance premiums.
Fuck trump and the fucking Rs.
brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)Not the premium subsidies. Not defending him, he is the most immoral president in history. He needs to go.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)so he isn't even directly impacting that.
(But if they don't receive the subsidies the premium itself will go up to make up the shortfall, so it does ultimately increase premiums)
brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)Who make too much for a premium subsidy. And the employed who get insurance at work. But fear not, you can buy junk policies across state lines!
Demtexan
(1,588 posts)They voted their hate.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Premium subsidies remain.
but it is easy to understand the confusion, since most media reports are not being clear about exactly what is going on.
More unnecessary panic created by the orange menace.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)And fuck Dump.
imanamerican63
(13,787 posts)My mother is lucky enough to get her insurance thru the post office. If not she would be in the same situation. Not only has Trump destroyed the world he continues to destroy our country from with in!
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)AJT
(5,240 posts)without the subsidies. I've never been without healthcare. I worked for 37 years. I got laid off last year. Now what?
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)Unless you are in a state that did not expand Medicaid (and fall into that gap), you are still eligilble for premium subsidies.
These are subsidies that go directly to the insurance company to help the insurance companies meet their legal obligation for cost-sharing. Nothing directly to do with premiums. (If they don't get the subsidies, insurance companies will need to raise premiums to cover the shortfall - but it is an indirect hit, not an elimination of your personal subsidy)
AJT
(5,240 posts)I don't think I fall into the gap. I am going to try and go on the ACA website next week.
Thanks for the info.
Even though Trump didn't end premium subsidies - the rumor/poor explanation by the media suggesting that he did can do significant damage.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)This order doesn't even impact unsubsidized premiums directly at all. He is threatening to end subsidies paid to insurance companies to help them comply with their obligation to reduce your out-of-pocket costs.
Insurance companies are required by law to reduce the deductibles and coinsurance payments for low income people (essentially anyone who is eligible for reduced premiums is also elible for reduced cost sharing). They are still required to do so, even if they do not receive the subsidies Trump is threatening to cut off.
You will still receive the individual ACA subsidy. You will still get the cost sharing reduction on deductibles and coinsurance. Just like you don't pay $1202 now, you won't pay he $1330 in 2018. Your premium subsidies are safe (for now). Your reduced out-of-pocket cap and reduced coinsurance and deductibles are safe (for now).
The indirect impact, though, is that the insurance company can't create money out of thin air. Because it is obligated by law to give you a break, it has to find that $$ somewhere. The only option is to increase premiums (or leave the market). Many insurance companies increased their rates in anticipation that Trump would carry out his threat, so because of how late he issued teh order, there is not likely to be much additional impact this year.
Hope that helps. None of the articles I've run across are explaining it clearly.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)There's another thread about a politico article that makes it sound like all those premium subsidies could stop. I'm in a similar situation as the OP - I'd lose my insurance without the subsidies.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)and it is not terribly clear:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-gut-aca-insurance-rules-and-undermine-marketplaces/2017/10/11/40abf774-ae97-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.65fa49d88bce
I've just been reading insurance laws and policies for more than two decades (because my daughter has $60-$100,000 in medical expenses every year) so have more experience with the langauge than most and can read between the lines written by media folks who seem not to have a clue.
msongs
(67,405 posts)"Ending the payments is grounds for any insurer to back out of its federal contract to sell health plans for 2018"
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)but many have already increased their rates to accomodate the threatened cut in subsidies.
The point I was addressing was someone who had been informed of a rate increase - and who believed that Trump cut the premium subsidies (which would increase their premium costs by 1000 percent). The personal subsidies have not been cut.
The best way to counter Trump's many attempts at sabotage is to get the word out to enroll, and (with this recent EO) that the individual premium subsidies and cost cutting are still in effect. The only way to fend off disaster for there to be robust enrollment.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)My daughter's life depends on access to health care, so I have to be able to read and undertand quickly every bit of sabotage these idiots dish out. Otherwise I'd be more of a basket case than I already am.
VOX
(22,976 posts)The fact that you have to (in effect) work a second job by managing your daughters healthcare situation.
Ive done this for my parents, but I can only imagine how difficult it is to navigate ones child through the tricky complications, legalities and logistics of todays healthcare jungle.
Wishing you a bit of peace in the ongoing battle
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Hopefully after drumpf is removed from the oval office and the redumbliCONs lose control of Congress, all Americans will be able to have comprehensive quality healthcare.
mvd
(65,173 posts)Insurance companies need the cost sharing, dont they? Hold this up in court and get the opinion of the public on our side.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)will charge 20% more than last year for the silver plan.
With the Cost Sharing they would raise rates 12%.
The repukes are taking money out of my pocket, but it would have been worse if they passed full on Trumpcare.
lancelyons
(988 posts)Republicans just have to get the money for the wealthy peoples tax cuts