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Why was Sarah Palin dismissed as a clown and Trump wasn't ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 OP
Trump is a much, much, better manipulator than Palin. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2017 #1
She was the first major know-nothing graduate of foxnews university unblock Oct 2017 #2
Ha +1 sharedvalues Oct 2017 #22
rich, connected white male vs. hillbilly female. the latter is so much easier to diss. nt TheFrenchRazor Oct 2017 #3
She's a women. jzola Oct 2017 #4
Bingo! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #8
And Trump is a dick rock Oct 2017 #15
Exactly unitedwethrive Oct 2017 #34
I like the question... Mike Nelson Oct 2017 #5
People are more forgiving of someone who acts like a dick MurrayDelph Oct 2017 #6
Her resignation in 2009 killed her political future. RandySF Oct 2017 #7
He's a bidness man! Lol. Nt BootinUp Oct 2017 #9
Because she didn't run for president? LeftInTX Oct 2017 #10
The person running for president SHOULD get MORE criticism JI7 Oct 2017 #18
They were both dismissed as clowns.....by us. Captain Stern Oct 2017 #11
Yes, a lot of people considered his primary campaign a joke. eppur_se_muova Oct 2017 #12
Ahh you get it rufus dog Oct 2017 #33
Sadly, that's pretty much the case. Captain Stern Oct 2017 #44
Sarah Palin seems almost quaint compared to the gang who is butchering our country now. nt madinmaryland Oct 2017 #13
As a woman, she is expendable. nt WhiteTara Oct 2017 #14
Boy clown vs. girl clown democratisphere Oct 2017 #16
Because of white male privilege. It was ok to call out the female for being a joke JI7 Oct 2017 #17
People are programmed to obey the man in the suit -nt Freelancer Oct 2017 #19
Because Trump has a penis crazycatlady Oct 2017 #20
Although very small LOL doc03 Oct 2017 #32
Easy and true answer - she's a she. Stinky The Clown Oct 2017 #21
People believed Donald's riches & he bullied his competitors in that mediocre man way that passes as Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #23
Even more puzzling and phenomenally frightening . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #24
BOTH were dismissed as clowns Ms. Toad Oct 2017 #25
Wasn't that election rainin Oct 2017 #26
2008 wasn't close AT ALL Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2017 #38
You're right rainin Oct 2017 #40
Yeah I know Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2017 #42
Both were dismissed as clowns by.. Xolodno Oct 2017 #27
because she is a woman rollin74 Oct 2017 #28
Palin didnt bring millions of Russian dollars into many GOP campaign coffers. tanyev Oct 2017 #29
Both were. bluepen Oct 2017 #30
She was before her time. Palin didn't have the name recognition Trump has doc03 Oct 2017 #31
Yeah Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2017 #35
Trump has spent decades fooling idiots into believing that he was credible Orrex Oct 2017 #36
Trump was never challenged on his ignorance ecstatic Oct 2017 #37
1. She is one. 2. He was and is so depicted. 3. Both were nominated, so WinkyDink Oct 2017 #39
Thinking about this, I don't think you get Trump without Palin. HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #41
Palin got the electoral result she deserved DFW Oct 2017 #43

unblock

(52,208 posts)
2. She was the first major know-nothing graduate of foxnews university
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:17 PM
Oct 2017

Pioneers often appear to fail themselves, but pave the way for others to follow.

Donnie benefitted from her previous exposure as the national media was comfortable with complete idiots running for high office by 2016.

Mike Nelson

(9,954 posts)
5. I like the question...
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:20 PM
Oct 2017

...gender is a possibility. My other thought was that Palin was not dismissed as a clown by many of the same people who like Trump. I do think the Deplorables would rather have a man in charge.

LeftInTX

(25,305 posts)
10. Because she didn't run for president?
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:44 PM
Oct 2017

Alot of people thought Trump was a clown.....That is probably why he got all the media attention.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
11. They were both dismissed as clowns.....by us.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:50 PM
Oct 2017

But, Sarah Palin was almost the Vice-President of the United States. She was on the ballot, right next to John McCain. A lot of people voted for her. Her and McCain got almost as big a percentage of the popular vote as Trump and Pence did.

Any person capable of rational thought should have dismissed both Trump and Palin as clowns.

I think your question should have been more along the line of: "Why weren't Sarah Palin and Donald Trump immediately dismissed as clowns?"

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
12. Yes, a lot of people considered his primary campaign a joke.
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 04:55 PM
Oct 2017

But the scary thing was, he didn't just win a couple of state primaries and then fade. It was only after that that people got worried.

Palin never ran by herself so there's really not much of a comparison.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
33. Ahh you get it
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:33 AM
Oct 2017

McCain/Palin got almost 60 million votes.

This was at a time when the Country was in the biggest economic meltdown in any of 98% of the electorates life. A meltdown directly tied to the party they represented.

We really missed it in 2008, that is we didn't fully comprehend how fucking brainwashed and idiotic a large percentage of the population had become.

tRump was able to exploit these people and steal enough votes to get a victory.

If we learn one thing it is that 60 million voters are hate filled fucking idiots. They hate liberals, they hate city dwellers, they hate people of color. No matter what happens to tRump, they aren't going away.

It anyone thinks that 60 million Americans wouldn't vote for Sarah Palin tomorrow then they need to get a grasp of reality.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
44. Sadly, that's pretty much the case.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 07:46 PM
Oct 2017

I think that if the results of the last election were invalidated today, and we had to revote in November with Palin and Clinton as our choices....the results would be damn close.

I'd hope that Clinton would win, but I wouldn't be at all shocked if Palin won.....and I don't mean because of hacking, or voter fraud. There are a lot of people in this country that would prefer that Sarah Palin be President over Hillary Clinton.

Morons of a feather, flock together.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
17. Because of white male privilege. It was ok to call out the female for being a joke
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 05:11 PM
Oct 2017

But the far more ignorant white man was given a pass.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
23. People believed Donald's riches & he bullied his competitors in that mediocre man way that passes as
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:26 PM
Oct 2017

confidence.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
24. Even more puzzling and phenomenally frightening . . .
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 09:37 PM
Oct 2017

. . . is that this country has over 57 million people who had no problem with either one possibly becoming president.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
25. BOTH were dismissed as clowns
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:41 PM
Oct 2017

by intelligent and ethical people.

The people who did not dismiss Trump - also did not dismiss Palin as a clown.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
38. 2008 wasn't close AT ALL
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 10:10 AM
Oct 2017

Obama won Indiana. Of course, our state legislators have made damn sure that a Democrat won't ever win here again but it was a beautiful day for Democratic Hoosiers when Barack Obama turned Indiana blue for first time since 1964(?)

rainin

(3,011 posts)
40. You're right
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:59 PM
Oct 2017

I not sure why I remembered the popular vote was closer than it was. But, still 59 million people thought Palin was fine standing one heartbeat away from the Presidency. So, we're surrounded by crazy. 59 million people were willing to vote for an illiterate, unqualified candidate 9 years ago. These people are still here. Then the republicans gave them Trump, another unqualified, illiterate candidate, the Russians did their part, and here we are.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
42. Yeah I know
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:54 PM
Oct 2017

It wasn't close but still depressing that so many people felt that Palin would be a fine VP (and to be frank, I could have handled her being VP more than I can having Trump as the actual POTUS) and voted accordingly. I'm still baffled about how so many people were actually fine with having Trump as POTUS. It's just not sinking in or registering with my brain (and probably won't ever).

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
27. Both were dismissed as clowns by..
Sun Oct 15, 2017, 10:50 PM
Oct 2017

..people a bit smarter. However, a significant portion of the population considered their rise and degradation as a conspiracy by the "librul media". So they doubled down on the stupid. Then you have the percentage of voters who don't pay attention to any politics until its time to vote....and see in the news "Hilary's emails may be..." and the facebook false stories pimped by their conservative friends...and voila. This is the shit that will be the demise of the prominence of the USA. And China, Russia, the EU, etc. know it.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
31. She was before her time. Palin didn't have the name recognition Trump has
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:10 AM
Oct 2017

the Palin supporters then are now Trump supporters. I know many Republicans that wished she was at the top of the
McCain ticket. She may have won.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
35. Yeah
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 09:32 AM
Oct 2017

it's sort of amazing (in depressing sort of way) that McCain received a ton of ridicule and scorn (and partly lost his bid for the WH) for nominating Palin for VP because of how ignorant and crazy she seemed and how dangerous it seemed-at the time- for her to be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the US" but now we actually have a person for PRESIDENT who pretty much exceeds Palin in terms of gross incompetence, stupidity, and cluelessness. Of course, like with 2008, there were plenty of Republicans- despite the feigned outrage and disgust of some- whom still gladly lined up to cast their votes for Trump because they apparently decided they wanted an grossly unqualified avowed sexual predator with no sense of decency or empathy as the leader of the free world over...........Hillary Clinton.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
36. Trump has spent decades fooling idiots into believing that he was credible
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 09:41 AM
Oct 2017

They dutifully reminded us that he's a smart businessman, etc. All of it bullshit, of course, but when he appeared to act like a malignant buffoon, his worshipers chalked it up to the eccentricities of the brilliant and wealthy.

Palin, equally a buffoon, didn't have the benefit of decades of brand management, so people based their assessments on her in-your-face stupidity in real time.

That, and also that she's a woman, and that she was widely believed to have been put on the ticket for visual appeal to a certain male demographic.

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
37. Trump was never challenged on his ignorance
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 09:45 AM
Oct 2017

Never asked serious policy questions. So he got to float his way through the primaries and the GE.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
39. 1. She is one. 2. He was and is so depicted. 3. Both were nominated, so
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 10:50 AM
Oct 2017

each had the Party's imprimatur.

4. Russia. She could see it; he is owned by it.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
41. Thinking about this, I don't think you get Trump without Palin.
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:22 PM
Oct 2017

Near the end of the 2008 campaign, we saw the effects of the crowd Sarah brought in - the campaign started playing the conspiracy sewer from the bottom of the deck. It attracted the hatemongers from out of the woodwork.

These people were part of the snowball of hatred Palin rolled down the mountain . . . which became the medium-sized snowball of the Tea Party and then the giant snowball of shitbags that put Trump in the White House.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
43. Palin got the electoral result she deserved
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 03:02 PM
Oct 2017

Trump got an electoral result he didn't deserve, earn, or, in my opinion, truly receive.

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