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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCop has complete meltdown, starts shooting for no reason what so ever
Gets really bad at 5:25 when he starts hyperventilating...
Even more fucked up, from the description of the incident, it sounds like they wanted
to charge the woman in the video with causing the "panic attack".
Complete details at YouTube link
rockfordfile
(8,715 posts)Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Henry Krinkle
(208 posts)I'm thinking more like some mental disorder he couldn't control.
A combat vet with undiagnosed PTSD perhaps?
To me, it almost looked like he was hallucinating, having some sort of flashback and started
shooting at persons and/or thing that aren't even there.
Either way, he's way too dangerous to be allowed to carry a firearm.
Mariana
(14,864 posts)Did none of the police or EMT's at the scene report this bizarre and dangerous behavior? Even if they don't care about the people who lived in the trailers (which is likely), he could easily have shot one of the EMT's or another officer. They do care about that.
brush
(54,139 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)brush
(54,139 posts)gun, gave it back to him, thereby putting them all in danger from a hyperventilating maniac with a gun
WTF?
Who hires these people? Do they have no standards as to who they give a gun to?
That is a scary situation on that video.
And the maniac remains on active duty.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The successful conclusion, with no one shot, supports his judgement that wrestling for control of this semi-deranged officer's gun would not be the best course of action.
brush
(54,139 posts)All of them at the scene were then in danger again.
Maybe you should watch the video again.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to form this kind of harsh opinion from a video. Good sense mandates a certain amount of humility and restraint.
Frankly, I was surprised that anyone would choose to go after the EMT. I thought the cop would satisfy.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I certainly wouldn't assume I knew everything required to form this kind of harsh opinion from a video..."
Yet you assume to know everything required to form the antipodean opinion that he is in fact, a hero. Odd the obviousd and clear discrepancies our biases often cloud from us.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Go bother someone else. I'm not playing.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Well at least meaning is no doubt intended. Some names just bring to mind animated fighting stick figures. View one once and that's more than enough, not about to leap into the frame myself.
brush
(54,139 posts)He had the good sense to calm the never-should-have-been-a-cop cop, but come on, to give the gun back to him and put everyone in danger AGAIN?
No.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 17, 2017, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)
You might end up being more right in your condemnation of the actions of the man on the scene, but even then I could not set aside my respect for the bravery and good intentions, and competence as far as it went, of that man who inserted himself coolly and deliberately into a very dangerous scene.
One thing I'm wondering about are the right and duty of an EMT to disarm a police officer during an event. Why didn't the other officers do that? Another is that this EMT may have felt he did have the ability to differentiate between a panic attack and a psychotic break, or whatever other alternative there might have been. If I knew more, I expect there might be more. Or less. Perhaps this precise situation is in the EMT procedures manual.
Peace.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Not just your initial training, but your annual in-service required training needs to be intense and stress inducing training. Just like the military does in Basic Training you have to do that to weed out the people who can't handle he stress of the job before they get on the job and fail when it matters.
This is a failure of standard and training, period. This person never should hve passed their academy or initial training. Had they made it past that it should have been spotted during their FTO period.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to apply the standards and training to. It's down around mid $30Ks, not much more than beginning skilled clerical.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)At low pay you will get some high quality people because they are drawn to a job like that in public service, and they know they can pay low and get them because it's not the pay that motivates them. But when you can't get enough of them what is left is not who you want on the job.
That county is loaded with tourism jobs way easier than being a deputy that pay equal or better- so this is what happens.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and the ones we'd like to have in uniform substantially more.
burnbaby
(685 posts)what did I just watch
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)with the power of life and death in his nutcase hands!?
sarisataka
(19,088 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He should not be anywhere but in the mental hospital until his illness can be controlled.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,605 posts)Protecting and serving!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,605 posts)preliminary hearing within 10 business days as the law requires, records showed. Its not clear why from those court records."
Murca!
hamsterjill
(15,229 posts)The paramedic got the gun AWAY from the cop having the panic attack and yet then gives it BACK to him?
Good grief!!
Grammy23
(5,816 posts)The paramedic was alarmed enough by the guys behavior that he got the gun away from him and very shortly gives it back to him. The cop is obviously still having his episode as he heaves and gasps until the video ends. Seems to me that the paramedic involved in this fiasco needs to review procedures involving someone having an episode like this cop was having. It WAS clearly not over when he gave the gun back.
And correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt the cop the only one who fired a weapon? And then he screams that shots are fired and calls for back up help? He had some kind of break with reality.
If this deputy is still on this department and I lived in Servier County, I think Id be looking for another county or state to live. 😳
tblue37
(65,662 posts)and warned that he was filming the arrest of his girlfriend. But in his report, scaredycop claimed the guy said he had a gun and was going to shoot him.
maxrandb
(15,474 posts)Is going to be ordering any namby-pamby psych eval.
He should, but I'd bet against it. I'm sure it's the guy on the grounds fault.
Solly Mack
(90,841 posts)That was really hard to watch.
I hope that person is off the force at the very least.
tblue37
(65,662 posts)mostly just does security at Dollywood.
Solly Mack
(90,841 posts)I think he should be charged for his actions.
I appreciate he has a problem, but that doesn't excuse that he could have easily killed everyone in front of him.
That the EMT guy gave the gun back to him was appalling.
tblue37
(65,662 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,982 posts)Did I just watch?
No words. No words.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)If the suspect hadn't run and then obeyed the
cops orders, this probably would not have happened.
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)Walk over here.
Don't move.
I just love when they issue contradicting instructions and then say, you were not following my instructions.
When there is more than one doing it, I understand people panicking.
I almost always support the police, too.