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Stuart G

(38,445 posts)
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 11:42 PM Oct 2017

An explanation of Kelly sucking up to Trump..

Sure on this one, about a soldier's death, he sucked up to Trump. Great Suck Up Indeed. He has to. In the long scope of things, Kelly must be trusted by Trump, always and completely. Kelly has taken a lot of heat, and it is well deserved. I believe Kelly must be on great terms with Trump, completely trusted, if Kelly is going to prevent war. So Kelly took some heat on this..it was a whole lot of heat..

But, and this a question. If Kelly gained Trump's support for taking the heat, and standing by the "leader"..Then if Trump get's all worked up about something, and he starts true war pounding over and over again..Then Kelly can say, NO, it isn't in our best interest, and Trump may listen. After all Kelly stood by the leader when things were bad with the messages to the wife of a soldier killed in battle. Kelly stood by and lied for the leader. Perhaps that confidence that Kelly has gained, can be used in calming the leader down at a time when it is far more necessary. Now I am not saying it wasn't necessary at this time, but there may come a time when Kelly really needs to stop the leader, and Kelly can say..."I went with you on that soldiers wife thing..come on, listen to me on this one"

Perhaps, Kelly sacrificed his integrity on this...to be there for...."listen to me on this one" And this one could be a far more dangerous situation for the entire country, perhaps life threatening, Far more important then what to do and say concerning the death of a soldier.. If Kelly sacrificed his integrity to prevent lots of deaths, in a future situation, where no one will know, it could be really worth it. If Kelly stops the leader from doing something incredibly bad for the entire country, wouldn't it be worth him looking like a real suck-up patsy now? If he stood up against the leader on this, and made himself look like a fool to Trump, then how could he be there and calm Trump down for a truly life threatening situation. Many lives...It is more of an explanation rather than a defense. Trump values loyalty more than almost anything. Perhaps Kelly knew that in the long run, this one was relatively minor.. On those decisions where hundreds or thousands of lives are at stake, Kelly wants to be there to stop Trump. And he knows if he goes against him in a relatively minor situation..(yes, that is what I think) he will not be there as a calming influence in the major situations to come..

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An explanation of Kelly sucking up to Trump.. (Original Post) Stuart G Oct 2017 OP
I call bullshit blueinredohio Oct 2017 #1
Yep, it was a lot more than sucking up. He showed his true colors. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #2
there is not a concealed motive mercuryblues Oct 2017 #3
I was 'hoping' this was what was going on nini Oct 2017 #4
anything to keep the current military coup and their puppet going longer. TeamPooka Oct 2017 #5
Perhaps. TomSlick Oct 2017 #6
He lied, & it can be proven so it was stupid Motley13 Oct 2017 #7
If he thinks this Corgigal Oct 2017 #8
The same thought crossed my mind California_Republic Oct 2017 #9
Nah, I don't think so. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #10
Why even bother looking for an excuse? ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #11
Kelly is a Misonygistic Bigot JI7 Oct 2017 #12
Kelly is not a patriot saving us from Trump. Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #13
Kelly unnecessarily took a flamethrower to Congresswoman Ilsa Oct 2017 #14
I hope that Kelly isn't so naive Orrex Oct 2017 #15
Kelly was out of line and full of shit with the "empty barrel" comment. oasis Oct 2017 #16

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
3. there is not a concealed motive
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 11:53 PM
Oct 2017

behind Kelly's lies and vindictiveness. Just listen to how he talked before he started "sucking up" to trump, He is the same as he always was. Only now he is surrounded by hand-picked people who think just like him. He is in a bubble and thinks everyone thinks this way and it is okay to defame a black woman's character.

Kelly is part of the Borg.

nini

(16,672 posts)
4. I was 'hoping' this was what was going on
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 11:57 PM
Oct 2017

I hope it is... we don't have much else to hold onto anymore.

TomSlick

(11,109 posts)
6. Perhaps.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 11:58 PM
Oct 2017

In order for your theory to be correct, Kelly would have to be willing to sacrifice the last hope of his personal honor for the sake of the country. In order for your theory to be correct, Kelly would have to be prepared to abandon the core Marine values. In order for your theory to be correct, Kelly would have to be prepared to ignore the past and assume that Trump can every be persuaded about anything.

My theory is that Kelly really is the immoral sycophant he appears.

While your theory is more hopeful, I am left with Occam's razor, the hypothesis requires too many assumptions.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
7. He lied, & it can be proven so it was stupid
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 12:13 AM
Oct 2017

Moron said he didn't say what Rep Wilson said he did, Kelly confirmed that is what was said to him when he lost his son, but we expect moron to lie.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
8. If he thinks this
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 12:14 AM
Oct 2017

then he doesn't know his boss or his backstory. Which means the only thing stopping us from WW3 is a dumbass.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. Why even bother looking for an excuse?
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 12:38 AM
Oct 2017

He's a dick. His boss is a dick. Everyone he works with are dicks. His behavior fits right in with being a complete and total dick.

Look, I get it. We sort of trusted that he had his head on straight and could handle Dotard if things got serious. But you have to agree that we were looking for anything, anything at all, in this mess of an administration that could be conceived as redeeming. Now we are absolutely sure that Kelly is just another dick.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
13. Kelly is not a patriot saving us from Trump.
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 05:09 AM
Oct 2017

He has a long history of being Trumpish himself. This is ALL Kelly.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
14. Kelly unnecessarily took a flamethrower to Congresswoman
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 06:55 AM
Oct 2017

Wilson and the Johnson familly. He didn't need to do that to maintain trump's trust. He did it because it felt good to his own ego.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
15. I hope that Kelly isn't so naive
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 07:18 AM
Oct 2017
there may come a time when Kelly really needs to stop the leader, and Kelly can say..."I went with you on that soldiers wife thing..come on, listen to me on this one"
And if Kelly isn't a complete fucking idiot, he already knows that Trump would never act against his own wishes simply to repay a favor--a favor to which Trump believed he was wholly entitled in the first place.

Beyond that, Kelly can go fuck himself alongside Herr Trump. His bullshit about "only Gold Star survivors may question" is offensive on every level. Further, if we're going to buy the administration's shit story about the NFL disrespecting veterans, then Kelly's assault on open discourse is surely a greater insult to those very same veterans.

I'm sorry that Kelly lost his son in a bullshit war, but two things:
1. He knew what he signed up for, as a great American recently reminded us
2. Losing someone in a war grants no special moral authority on war, in the same way that being the victim of assault doesn't make you an expert on assault.

And if he uses that so-called authority to prop up an illegitimate authoritarian, then he's betraying his dead son and the nation as a whole.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
16. Kelly was out of line and full of shit with the "empty barrel" comment.
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 07:27 AM
Oct 2017

If Kelly's intention was to "clean up" for his boss, there was no need to attack Rep. Wilson. Especially with false information.

Kelly disgraced himself, bigtime.

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