Today on du I learned that it's OK for elderly man to grab women's asses

[elehhhhna]

What the actual fuck?

[HipChick]

1. I think men have different understanding of what passes for sexual assault..

[elehhhhna]

3. I'm surprised at the number of women here who are defending this bozo

[whathehell]

15. Uh huh..

Me too. What idiocy.

[Merlot]

27. And you know they're women how?

[elehhhhna]

37. Their names, their posts, and their profiles

Taking them at their word. For all I know they're really Putin lol.

[BainsBane]

75. There are always women who defend sexual predators

patriarchy and inequality depends on their collaboration. We've seen it with Julian Assange, Woody Allen, and countless rapists. Some of the most notorious misogynists left for JPR, where their misogyny goes unchallenged. I recall receiving one lecture after another in which they proclaimed any issue concerning women as less than "real." Only when attacks on reproductive rights were made, they didn't give a shit about that either.

One of the most disgusting comments I read said that Woody Allen was more oppressed by his daughter's allegations that she ever was, EVEN IF he molested her. That defense of child rape is one of the evilest things I have ever seen.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. Right there with you!!

[whathehell]

9. No, I think such "misunderstandings" would dissolve quickly

were it THEIR daughters, granddaughters, or wives being
assaulted....In fact, I would bet good money on it.

[HipChick]

12. Nope...I was once told, that I belong in the bedroom..

not the boardroom, by a male..
I asked him how he would feel, if someone said that to his wife
He said, his wife would have known her place, and not be in that situation..

[whathehell]

14. Yep...He's eiither a decided "exception"

or he just told you that to avoid being "gotched".

[LanternWaste]

2. Hopefully, we'll receive a list of medical conditions that allow us to tolerate sexual assault.

Hopefully, we'll receive a full list from these half-wits of the relevant medical conditions and age specifications that allow us to better tolerate sexual assault as merely cute and adorable.

[Siwsan]

4. I've read more articles about GHWB's grabbing habits, and I've changed my mind about him

This has been going on for longer than his health decline. I held the opinion that he might be going though some age related cognitive/impulse control issues, but now I'm thinking it is just shameful, inappropriate behavior. I'm realizing it has nothing to do with that. He is just an inappropriate jerk. He might think it's a joke. It most definitely is not.

He's 93, now, and either he has apologized, or someone apologized for him. But, damn.

[brush]

50. Remember back in the day it was rumored that HW had a mistress?

The version I heard was that she was black (that's in line with the Condelessa Rice Freudian slip of referring to W as her husband).

That story was squashed just as the W Bush awol story was so it's highly likely that stories of the younger HW the sexual abuser were also made to disappear.

[tblue37]

64. When W was asked by a reporter what he and Daddy Bush talked about when on the golf course

together (during the 1992 campaign), he said, "Pu**y." I think Daddy Bush has always had a porcine streak to his character .

[malaise]

5. Yep I was shocked to see folks defending GHW n/t

[whathehell]

16. "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left".

as stated by writer Katha Pollitt.

[elehhhhna]

55. She forgot smoking and obesity

[whathehell]

61. Cute..

but no cigar.

[SFnomad]

6. I want to know what the cutoff age is ...

that way I'll have something to look forward to and know when it's ok.

[Not Ruth]

11. 34

[elehhhhna]

38. I laughed way too hard at that , thank you

[SFnomad]

46. I did too ... but I'm looking quite a bit backwards to 34. So I've apparently been missing out

On edit: The part about "missing out" was sarcasm, for the sarcasm detection impaired.

[elehhhhna]

47. 34 is way in rearview mirror 😀

[whathehell]

13. No, sorry there's no approved "age" for men to assault women

Sorry if that comes as a disappointment.

[SFnomad]

19. Clearly the sarcasm went right over your head n/t

[whathehell]

20. and that's clearly because you didn't utilize it well..

[SFnomad]

22. It was utilized well .. but it has now been noted that I'll be certain to mark it clearly

for the sarcasm detection impaired.

[whathehell]

23. Lol

You don't have take losing well, do you?

[SFnomad]

24. I haven't "lost" anything. But I do notice in more than one conversation here

in this thread that you have to have the last word and don't take losing well.

[whathehell]

28. Sure..

[SFnomad]

29. Yep, just like I said n/t

[whathehell]

34. Need the last word much?

[SFnomad]

35. You're proving my point in post #24 with every post n/t

[whathehell]

44. You have no point!

[SFnomad]

45. Haha ... maybe you should read post #24 again n/t

[whathehell]

51. Hehe... Maybe I should, but

at the moment, I'm more interested in eating my dinner than in continuing a pissing contest...Bye now.

[SFnomad]

52. Yep, you'll continue to prove my point in post #24

and you'll reply to this and prove it some more.

[elias7]

62. I thought it was utilized well, and I think you just missed it.

It's ok, happens to everyone. No need to dig the heels in, unless you want the post count...

[whathehell]

65. You're free to think that..

and I'm free to disagree.

[treestar]

67. on the internet, the one at fault

is usually the sarcasm-impaired. Especially on DU. Who would think a DUer was serious in that post?

[whathehell]

68. Guess what?

The only "impairment" here is coming from someone who can't admit that communication isn't his strong point. Have a nice day.

[treestar]

73. How do you come up with communication

not being his strong point? Use of sarcasm is part of communication.

[whathehell]

78. Perhaps you should read post # 20..

No one disputes the fact that sarcasm is a part of communication, but, like grammar, which is also misused in post # 22, it has to be used well to be effective.

[SFnomad]

70. Absolutely ...

and you'll notice the sarcasm-impaired poster has to get the last word in, in every reply to them ... just like I've stated. They've done it several more times in this thread since yesterday.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

7. Mens Rea

IANAL. Pay the $2.

Mens rea (/ˈmɛnz ˈriːə/; Law Latin for "guilty mind" ) is the mental element of 1) intention to commit a crime or 2) knowledge that one's action or lack of action would cause a crime to be committed. It is a necessary element of many crimes.

The standard common law test of criminal liability is expressed in the Latin phrase actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea, i.e. "the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty". In jurisdictions with due process, there must be both actus reus ("guilty act" ) and mens rea for a defendant to be guilty of a crime (see concurrence). As a general rule, someone who acted without mental fault is not liable in criminal law. Exceptions are known as strict liability crimes.

In civil law, it is usually not necessary to prove a subjective mental element to establish liability for breach of contract or tort, for example. But if a tort is intentionally committed or a contract is intentionally breached, such intent may increase the scope of liability and the damages payable to the plaintiff.

In some jurisdictions, the terms mens rea and actus reus have been replaced by alternative terminology. In Australia, mens rea is now called "fault elements" or "mental elements" and actus reus is now called "physical elements" or "external elements". The point of the changes was to replace Latin with plain English.

[whathehell]

8. George H.W. Bush, 93 years old and in a wheelchair..

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actually molested a young actress at the WH who was there about an historic movie....I really didn't even believe this one until he apologized...

His grandchildren must be so proud.
.

[elehhhhna]

40. Give him, or his handlers some props for apologizing but

It feels like they jumped to acknowledge this so quickly in order to cut off/ defuse the onslaught of further accusations.

[MrsCoffee]

53. More like apologized and shifted blame to the victim for not getting his humor.

That's how it came off anyway.

[elehhhhna]

54. How about both? You are absolutely right.

I wonder if he also employed some of his physical comedy by joking with anyone's boobs.

[Not Ruth]

10. Word

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. Yes. Men who are born "in another time" and come of age "in another time" are actually incapable of

learning new mores and customs. It's amazing and quite sad and we really must be understanding when it comes to these men. Who could possibly expect them to act like decent people? They are from ANOTHER TIME.

[whathehell]

21. Yes, though they likely WILL get new ideas that benefit them. n/t

[Dave Starsky]

25. They really are from another time.

It is a reason for their behavior, but it's not an excuse.

Thankfully, these men are dying out. I am hoping that the new generations of men feel and act differently.

[Merlot]

30. How come not all men "from another time" behave the same way?

To hope that this behavior dies out with these men isn't realistic. Nor should we have to wait for people to die before the world gets better.

Even if all these old guys die out, there are many (especially from other cultures) that will take up the slack.

[Dave Starsky]

36. I hear what you're saying.

There are a lot of "good men" in this world who don't accept the status quo. We are husbands, fathers, brothers, sons, and uncles to women that we love and care about deeply. We know that we are ALL in this together. We protect those we love, and we all help each other.

[elehhhhna]

41. What other time though? I have grandfathers who would never have dreamt of doing this.

Are we referring to the Neolithic. Or what?

[The_Casual_Observer]

32. My dad was from that time, WW2 and all that, he would never have

touched a woman like that, or ever even made a remark. None of the men I knew from those days would have done so either.

[whathehell]

66. Exactly -- Neither would mine..The fact is, it's illegal & always has been

The rest is just lame bullshit.

[bobbieinok]

33. Born in another time?? Then don't let men near any modern tech!!

Brains are such they're unable to adapt, change, learn when conditions change.

[elehhhhna]

56. It's like saying men from another culture, or neighborhood, or income level

it's a bullshit excuse

[Solly Mack]

18. Thank you

[nolabear]

26. Honestly I originally thought it might be dementia.

It makes nothing “okay” at all for the victim but it’s a reason as opposed to an excuse. Elderly men can literally lose the ability to make the cognitive connection between thought, intent, act and consequence. As appalling as it is for the victim being angry at the person as a way to shame or get them to change is pointless. They might well have no memory of it.

Bush, now, might have loosened abilities but he committed a calculated act repeatedly and it was allowed and condoned by others. The whole thing stinks.

[Docreed2003]

31. Anyone apologizing for Bush should read the joke he made

When he assaulted these women.


He asked “You know who my favorite magician is?? David Cop-a-feel” as he grabbed this woman’s ass.

There’s no excuse in the world that can make that ok!

[elehhhhna]

42. It's male privilege at its absolute worst. Let's call it what it is.

[whathehell]

69. No privilege like Male privilege, it seems

especially Rich Male privilege perhaps.

[hlthe2b]

43. Are you referring to those who mention diminished mental capacity with dementia?

and concomitant loss of inhibitions? If so, that is a REAL phenomenon--much to the anguish of many a family member.

If you aren't referring to that, then I agree, wtf?

With respect to GHWBush, I don't think that advanced dementia is at play AT ALL and he deserves all the backlash he is experiencing and MORE.

[SFnomad]

48. If he made the "David Cop a Feel" joke while doing it, his capacity hasn't been that dimished

That's for sure.

[Tanuki]

49. Actually, that is not "for sure."

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/sometimes-puns-are-a-sign-of-a-damaged-brain.html


http://dailycaring.com/9-ways-to-handle-alzheimers-and-sexually-inappropriate-behavior/

[elehhhhna]

57. Actually, once his family in handlers know he does this

They have a responsibility to attempt to prevent it . If he cannot handle being out in public then they should not torture him by wheeling him out . It's sad, but this happens to people in their 90s sometimes.

[Tanuki]

60. I totally agree with you. As I commented in another thread, if Bush 41

is manifesting sexually disinhibited behavior as a symptom of dementia, his caregivers (including Dragon Barb) should not place him or unsuspecting members of the public in that position. People who work with the cognitively impaired (elderly and otherwise) take this sort of thing in stride, but the Bushes have not been especiaily forthcoming about Poppy's status and a fan who stepped close for a photo op had no context for what happened.

[MuseRider]

58. Really?

Ewwwww. I have been away most of the day. That is disgusting. It was obviously intentional or he would not have told them that particular joke. This is OK with some people? We will never be equal will we? *sigh*

NGU!

[elehhhhna]

59. Equal isn't given, it's taken.

[elias7]

63. It's only impeachable if it's consensual.

[RhodeIslandOne]

71. Its not okay for elderly men or women to grab peoples asses

It’s also not okay for the senile to become violent, or foul mouthed in public or abusive to family members caring for them.

But it happens and the answer is not name calling or jail time or whatever other punishment proposed.

[SFnomad]

72. Why do you have to be such a Debbie Downer so early in the morning?

I was looking forward to becoming a socially unacceptable degenerate in my old age (aka dirty old man) ... and getting a pass for it.

(For the sarcasm-impaired, that was sarcasm)

[RhodeIslandOne]

74. Aubrey Plaza cant wait to get old

At 1:37


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[SFnomad]

79. The entire clip is funny ... thanks n/t

[WhiteTara]

77. This is the least of his crimes

but it is a crime, none the less.