****Official DU Indictment Betting Pool*****

[jberryhill]

You cannot say "I told you so" later unless you post it here first.

The subject of the indictment is _________

I'm going with Michael Cohen. He's an under-appreciated scumbag, and more likely than either Flynn or Manafort to have attempted to take pre-emptive defensive countermeasures which only will dig him in deeper.

[lapfog_1]

1. Michael Flynn.

[lapfog_1]

129. I missed

was really hoping for Flynn. Still hoping that he is next, along with Jared and Ivanka.

[Leghorn21]

2. Crap, I've made a couple lists tonight and totally forgot anout that smarmy bastard, j!!

Well, I'm all for it, but I'd love a piece of that MANAFORT motherfucker, I gotta be honest!!

So many choices - so little time!!

[jberryhill]

15. As smarmy bastards go, he's one you try to forget

[calimary]

130. Here's a good graphic:

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They spelled Michael Cohen's name wrong, though.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. It could be more than one person.

But Manafort has already been warned that he's likely to be indicted, so probably him. I'd love it to be Kushner, though.

[MaryMagdaline]

4. Manafort

[bullimiami]

57. I agree Manafort. I think for money laundering, graft etc.

Wont be surprised if this one doesn't specifically doesn't touch on election/russia.

[MaryMagdaline]

63. Money laundering

I would be thrilled if first indictment touches money laundering. Sends a strong signal that Trump's own money laundering is not out of bounds.

Manafort is the essence of the whole Russian pestilence. Bribery and killing in Eastern Europe to reestablish the Russian Empire; undercutting democracy in Europe and America; transporting Russian corruption across international boundaries; crooked banking; crooked real estate deals to hide Russian money; installing pro-Russian campaign and anti-sanctions platform.

[SonofDonald]

111. You are right on it with this n / t

[marylandblue]

5. "Under appreciated scumbag?"

You are right. We just don't appreciate the scumbags destroying our country enough. So whoever they arrest, we should all send him a thank you note for going first.

[jberryhill]

23. Unsung villian?

[Tatiana]

6. OK - I originally thought Manafort and I'm sticking with it.

Because they raided his house and he obviously was trying to hide and destroy incriminating evidence. I'm thinking he's the easiest indictment to secure and the easiest conviction to get.

He's also craven enough to be motivated by saving himself. Mueller might think he'd be easier to flip than Flynn (who would be my second choice).

[Ilsa]

7. I'm sticking with Manafort.

He hasn't cooperated, and they need him to flip.

[Cracklin Charlie]

8. Dream world...

Just for Monday, if not sooner:

Trump
Pence
McConnell
Ryan
Tillerson
Flynns, Jr and Sr
Manafort
Roger friggin' Stone

More to come on any other day Mueller wants.

edit to add: Skinny Jared...I can't stand that guy. He can go by Monday, too.

[gopiscrap]

85. add sebastian gorka to that list

along with sarah huckelberry sanders

[FSogol]

9. Flynn and Manaford

[roamer65]

25. Yeah. I think its gonna be a twofer as well.

Flynn and Manafort.

[Laffy Kat]

29. I agree. nt

[SonofDonald]

113. And don't forget bannon, they can find him by the smell.

[NastyRiffraff]

114. That's what I think

Those two scumbags will flip like pizza dough if indicted.

Of course, it's only what I think, which means absolutely zero!

[underpants]

10. Stephanie in accounting

She knows EVERYTHING

[Tiggeroshii]

13. That or Dave in HR.

That prick always takes the last donut.

[underpants]

17. F'ing Dave!

[Leghorn21]

16. Yeah!! Or LOSER 45's bodyguard, whose name escapes me!! Keith? THAT mofo has some

stories to tell, eh??

[underpants]

18. Keith Schiller

[Roland99]

76. The two Bobs

[underpants]

79. Yes! I knew they were a cover for something.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

11. My Gut Tells Me Manafort, But I Saw That The FBI Has Already Contacted Woolsey

So that's kind of cheating, I guess.

[Grassy Knoll]

12. OK, I'll Go With Cohen...

But If Not, You Owe Me A PowerBall Ticket, PM Me For Address...

[jberryhill]

24. I have a couple of them sitting around here, sure

[lapucelle]

78. SAYS WHO?????

[nmgaucho]

14. ****Official DU Indictment Betting Pool*****

I'm thinking it is Flynn but would love it to be Kushner

[RandySF]

19. It's Manafort

He's stonwalling and holding out hope for a pardon or for Trump to pay his legal bills.

[rusty fender]

20. Manafort

[rufus dog]

21. Need a bit of time to ponder which criminal goes down first

My guess is it will be for crimes occurring in NYC, with Fed & State charges going down simultaneously.

[avebury]

53. I would agree with that

as it would check mate any Trump pardon.

[WinkyDink]

22. Manafort.

[Ccarmona]

26. Done Deals:

Manafort
Flynn
Flynn Jr

Would love to see:
Conway
Spicer
Huckleberry
For be lying Douchebags

[MLAA]

27. In like Flynn!

[Hoyt]

28. If it's Flynn or Manafort, won't be too excited. We already knew that was coming.

But, it is movement.

[Xolodno]

30. Hmmmmm....

Manafort and Flynn is like betting both on black an red. Its an easy bet, and unless it comes up green, you have a zero sum gain.

I'm going to bet on both greens....Trump jr. or Kushner.

[Greybnk48]

31. Flynn. After listening to Rachel, Flynn makes the most sense. n/t

[oldtime dfl_er]

32. Flynn

Guessing Manafort still has info to give up, so not yet on him. My money if I had any would be on Flynn.

[Spider Jerusalem]

42. Manafort is probably the smart choice for a first indictment, though

his purported money-laundering activities involving NYC real estate most likely expose him to criminal liability under NY state laws, which puts him out of reach of a presidential pardon. So they may be expecting they can lean on him with that and get him to roll over and cut a deal in exchange for giving up Trump (or whoever was running him in his meetings with the Russians and contacts with Wikileaks etc).

[bluepen]

33. Manafort. Mainly because of the raid and we have heard

nothing (or at least I haven’t) about him cooperating with the Special Counsel. I think they grab him and turn the screws.

[blogslut]

34. Bebe Rebozo

Just kidding, it's Rollo Tomasi.

I have no real guess. I prefer to wait and see because sometimes Fitzmas doesn't come.

[jberryhill]

44. An oldie but goodie

[bagelsforbreakfast]

92. He should have been indicted for that name alone! Still makes me think

of Clarabell.

[jberryhill]

98. Yeah, he had the best name in the bunch

Although Jeb Stuart Magruder is a name rich with a particular strain of American history.

[thbobby]

35. I won't venture a guess, but

I gotta say this thread is what I have been dreaming about for months (funny how it feels like decades).

If I were to speculate, I think it may be someone down a few levels on the totem pole. But what a beautiful end to a suck ass week. GOP going psycho on whatever shiny object they can conjure. Trump continuing to be a clueless asshole to anyone who doesn't kiss his fat, Depends clad ass.

But, still, I feel the shit is or soon will be hitting the fan. Or maybe one of Dotard's Depends hitting the woodchipper. Happy Days are here again.

Of course, we must still make it through this without Trump starting a nuclear holocaust.

[OnDoutside]

36. Flynn first.

[VermontKevin]

37. Flynn, Sr. and Jr.

[Demsrule86]

38. Mannaford

[Norbert]

39. I would love for Pence to be the subject.

If the Orange shithead goes down sometime in the furture I really don't want Pence to step in the breach. tRump is a baffoon supreme and dangerous but Pence is a bit smarter and has an agenda to push. In some ways he is even more dangerous. I would love to see a Spiro Agnew like exit for Pence.

That said, Manafort and Flynn seems to be the low hanging fruit right now.

[Squinch]

40. DUer GoCubsGo posited that it might be Devin Nunez. I'm putting in a vote for him. I don't

really think it's him, but the very thought of him being the first just makes me smile a big, wide smile.

[jberryhill]

43. Oh nice one

[Adrahil]

41. Flynn.

And I really hope it is. That gouchebag lead the "lock her up" chorus, and Trump is attached to him at the hip. Trump's head will explode.

[Thrill]

45. Don Jr

[kentuck]

46. Manafort or Carter Page...

I would go with Manafort.

[tavernier]

47. Fox News says its Hillary.

Or Obama.

[Roland99]

77. BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

DUzy

[jberryhill]

100. For the win!

I humble myself before you, great sir.

[tavernier]

108. That would be

ma’am.

[jberryhill]

117. How many is that for me now?

[Generic Brad]

48. I'll go out on a limb here

Everyone who was in the meeting in Trump Tower with the Russian lawyers - Manafort, Bannon, Kushner, the Russian players. The squeeze will be on them until two of them crack and acknowledge Trump participated by speaker phone.

[adigal]

55. I agree...and Jared lied on federal forms, also

Mueller may get one shot at this. If he is fired, the NY Atty Gen will indict.

Mueller is brilliant, experienced and has the best lawyers in the fricking country working for him. Does anyone think Dotard, Jared, Donny Jr., Miller and Kelly can outplay them? It is not even fair.

[ATL Ebony]

49. Manafort

If multiple individuals: Manafort, Flynn & Page

[Mr. Ected]

50. I'll go definitively with Carter Page

Only because he is one of the least-mentioned perps in this thread.

If it's him, I want to feel special.

If it's not him, it will BE him, sometime in our futures.

[flamingdem]

51. Flynn - the Woolsey news was a hint

Ex-CIA Director Spoke to Mueller About Flynn’s Alleged Turkish Scheme

by Ken Dilanian

WASHINGTON — Former CIA Director James Woolsey has been interviewed by FBI agents working for Special Counsel Robert Mueller about allegations that Mike Flynn discussed the potentially illegal removal of a Turkish cleric from the U.S., Woolsey's spokesman told NBC News.

"Ambassador Woolsey and his wife have been in communication with the FBI regarding the Sept. 19, 2016 meeting Ambassador Woolsey was invited to attend by one of Gen. Flynn's business partners," Woolsey spokesman Jonathan Franks said in a statement. "Ambassador Woolsey and his wife have responded to every request, whether from the FBI, or, more recently, the Office of the Special Counsel."

Franks clarified that the FBI has been "in communication" with Woolsey both before and after the matter was taken over by Mueller's office.

[CanonRay]

52. Carter Page

but I want odds.

[adigal]

54. Flynn, Manafort, Jared and Donny Jr.

Mueller must know he many only get,one shot at this before Trump fires him.i think this is also,why he has been working with the NY state Atty Gen. If Trump fires him, indictments from money laundering, etc. will come from NY.
No pardoning then, Dotard.

[nevergiveup]

56. So many scumbags to consider

So little time. I am going with Mike Pence. It will be the political shocker of all time. I am fairly sure I am the only one with this bet. What do I get if I win?

[jberryhill]

62. Its like a fucked up version of Mystery Date

[Madam45for2923]

58. Meredith McIver both ghost & mastermind.

[jberryhill]

64. Ooh, a longshot entry!

[neverforget]

59. Flynn and possibly Manafort.

Where the hell is Rudy btw?

[EL34x4]

60. Manafort, for reasons unrelated to the Russian collusion story...

...And Mueller resigns at some point next week.

Wildcard: John and/or Tony Podesta

[jberryhill]

65. ...with a candlestick, in the library

[Javaman]

61. I don't think it's any of the top players

I think it's some minor player to turn up the heat on the main ones. They would be more likely to blab now that the see this is getting real.

If it is a big player, then there will be all sorts of shit hitting the fan right away.

I'm more of a fan of turning the heat up slowly.

But at this point, it's anyone's guess as to whom it is.

[jberryhill]

66. A rookie of the year if you will

[Javaman]

68. What I fear is if the minor player..

will fall in their sword, the right wing will then pile on that person as "unamerican" aka their scapegoat, then declare the investigation over and give the excuse for trump to disband also aka fire mueller and his team.

[Doremus]

91. Yup I agree.

My guess is Manafort, Scooter Libby scapegoat of 2017.

[Takket]

67. I wage 10 quatloos on manafort

Quatloos a Star Trek reference lol

[jberryhill]

70. Ah, a wager from Provider Three!

That episode shows all of Kirk’s primary methods of winning - seduce it, confuse it, or blow it up.

[ecstatic]

69. Flynn (LOCK HIM UP!!)

Loudmouth traitor!

[Books_Tea_Alone]

71. My head says Manafort but my heart says..

Uday and or Qusay. Would love love love to see any of the evil spawn arrested, fingerprinted, and awaiting trial.

Wonder how they all are spending this weekend?

[Thirties Child]

72. Flynn.

He knew something big. Why else would 45 try so hard to protect him?

[VermontKevin]

73. Michael Cohen is an utter dirtbag.

He blocked me on twitter once one of my replies to him got about 90 likes.

[madinmaryland]

74. A Ham Sandwich. Can't remember the guy's name who said that during the Whitewater

inquisition, by Ken Starr. With Mueller, I would say it's a good chance it's either Manafort or Roger Stone.

[lapucelle]

80. Stone is having a twitter meltdown today.

[NightWatcher]

75. Flynn if one indictment, he and Manafort if two, Sessions if three.

[OneBlueDotBama]

81. Don jr and Kushner

They have spent tons on lawyers and after they are picked up, Mueller can set up counter outside his office with a now serving number machine....

[rzemanfl]

82. My guess is it will be some minor figure, for lying to the FBI or the Grand Jury,

about a conversation with someone bigger who will then become aware they were wiretapped or someone they talked to routinely was.

Just a guess. Thinking about the panic cheers me up.

[AgadorSparticus]

83. 1. Manafort 2. Flynn 3. Skyler (or whatever his name is. The longtime trump business partner)

What are the las Vegas odds on this?

[yardwork]

84. Manafort. And I think we'll be underwhelmed by the charges.

Mueller is proceeding cautiously, continuing to build a case. I hope he takes them all out eventually.

[musicblind]

86. I think there's a chance it is someone not even on our radar at the moment.

Muller has kept this investigation close to his chest. I'd say there's a 50/50 chance that the first indictment isn't even a major Trump player (Page, Kushner, Flynn, Don Jr., Manafort, Stone, Cohen) but is actually a less than sensational name none of us have heard much about until now.

I think they will wait until further into the investigation to make the major indictments.

We'll find out soon enough!

[musicblind]

87. If I had to pick one of the major players... Manafort.

Page or Flynn would be my follow up choices.

[Enoki33]

88. Thinking initially it will be one of the lesser players. Carter Page.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

107. Tim Hardaway Jr. - he couldn't have gotten that $71 M from the Knicks without

some kind of nefarious influence...

[wryter2000]

89. Paul Manafort

They've already announced he's going to be indicted

[Bobbie Jo]

90. Manafort and Flynn.

Hoping for Jerk Jr and Kurshner too.

[Me.]

93. I'm Calling It For Jared

Yeah, yeah...I know

[SeattlePop]

94. Manafart

[SummerSnow]

95. Manafort and Flynn

[Sneederbunk]

97. Agree

[raven mad]

96. Manafort.

[ThoughtCriminal]

99. Three Quadrillion Quatloos on Flynn

[samnsara]

101. its like Clue! Im going with Kushner on some state related...

..charge...no pardon! But they will probably get him for fraud on his security form.

[orangecrush]

102. Please

Let it be Jr.....

[Sailor65x1]

103. Nancy, in Human Resources

We will have much to say to Nancy, I promise!

[jberryhill]

106. Id go for Brenda, from card services

Did you know you qualify for a special rate credit card?

[jrthin]

104. Manafort, but am hoping Jared,

[sweetroxie]

105. I call it for tRump

If he is indicted then he can't pardon his "co-conspirators."

[OliverQ]

119. He can't be indicted as far as we know.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

109. Gary Paquariello

A.K.A. “Gary Forbes”

[milestogo]

110. I think we should set up a 'fantasy indictment' league.

I am going with Jared Kushner.

[oberliner]

112. Prediction: We find out nothing on Monday

Remains sealed.

[jberryhill]

120. Ooh going for the skinny end of the pari mutuel betting pool

[lindysalsagal]

115. I looked up the June Trump Tower meeting list:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html

Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort included at least eight people.

The revelation of additional participants comes as The Associated Press first reported Friday that a Russian-American lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin said he also attended the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr. CNN has reached out to Akhmetshin for comment.
So far acknowledged in attendance: Trump Jr., Kushner, Manafort, Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, Akhmetshin and publicist Rob Goldstone, who helped set up the meeting. A source familiar with the circumstances told CNN there were at least two other people in the room as well, a translator and a representative of the Russian family who had asked Goldstone to set up the meeting. The source did not provide the names.

1. Jr.
2. Kushner
3. Manafort
4. Akhmetshin
5. Veselnitskaya
6. Goldstone
7. Translator
8. Unknown russian family rep.

This seems to be Mueller's front door at the moment, so, bets are, it's one of the above.

Maybe Akhmetshin?

[cally]

116. Flynns son or Manaforts son in law

I think Mueller is trying to exert pressure for someone to flip. I’m hoping it’s Nunes. Supposedly, Malcolm Nance thought he might be a possibility. I think I would do a flip if it was him.

[Justice]

118. Meredith McIver

Seriously, I think Manafort. Maybe Flynn and his son, but guess Manafort for this one.

Cohen will get his but don't think they are quite ready yet.

[jberryhill]

121. No one has gone for Bannon or Lewandowsky

[CK_John]

122. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, Mueller wants to push DT45 and send him out of bounds.

[louis c]

123. Manafort, Flynn and Kushner

Flynn is in deep trouble for dealing with Russia and Turkey and not disclosing those facts. Kushner failed to disclose numerous items. Manafort for money laundering and deals with Russia and their allies.

The Kushner thing is the big the big one. That will knock the Moron in Chief for a real loop. Donnie Jr. will be in the next batch.

[Tatiana]

124. Where are the prizes??????????????? n/t

[jberryhill]

125. To collect your prize

Send a PM with your name, birthdate and social security number. You will then be given instructions on how to pay the processing fee to collect your prize.

[Tatiana]

126. LOL sounds like a Russian phishing expedition.... n/t

[jberryhill]

128. All payments guaranteed by funds held in the account of a former Nigerian president

[Historic NY]

127. Flynn and the dumb one Cohen.