For darn sake, why all the relentlessly negative posts, defeatism, and gloom on DU?

[NewsCenter28]

If you just got your news from DU GD page 1, this is what you would take away:

1. Trump is going to get away with firing Mueller. Fact: Mueller will sue for being fired without just cause and be re-instated by the courts. Worst case. Barring that, Democrats won’t vote for government funding bills in the senate until Mueller is reinstated.

2. Fox News has brainwashed everyone into loving Trump and he is a wildly popular president: uhhhh, no. He just hit a bloody all-time low in NBC/WSJ today and is near that in Gallup today at 38% and 35% respectively.

3. Mueller investigation going nowhere: Fact: For people close to a sitting president to be indicted at all is massive and will destroy Trump’s approval ratings and credibility further. And this happens tomorrow!

4. Trump will hold absolute power. Fact: He is 16 and 15 points down in the 2018 Fox and CNN generic ballot polls, on course to at least lose the house and be crippled!

5. The VA governor race is lost. Fact: Northam has a solid lead in the polling averages!

What’s going on? Trying to deflate dem turnout in next week’s vote? Turn us against each other? Brighten the GOP picture in 2018? Time to be friggging positive realists people!

[tavernier]

1. All of the above.

So thanks, and keep up the positive vibes!!

[Miigwech]

2. Folks can't take

any more disappointment, that's all. But, you are right, buck up Dems!

[Demsrule86]

3. Some are just weary and some are Trump trolls I think...and this shit is being relentlessly spread

on social media...hmm wonder by whom?

[Binkie The Clown]

4. And the at the very top of the doom and gloom posts:

It doesn't matter because global warming will kill off the whole human race within 10 or 15 years.

[WinkyDink]

11. I can't find this thread. Link?

[Binkie The Clown]

23. No single thread. It comes up over and over and over. nt

[Sunlei]

5. thanks for concern and taking the time to list your concerns. don't believe everything you read &

you'll feel better.

[Skittles]

6. because we have been disappointed SO MANY fucking times

[Laurian]

17. Bingo....remember Scooter Libby?

These suckers are never truly held to account. My expectations are tempered by past experience. I would love nothing more than to see a just outcome, but I'm not holding my breath for Monday.

[TheRealistRealist]

7. Needed this

Finally a post with positivity and facts. It has been very depressing and negative on DU . Some of the recent postings seemed to make you want to stop fighting and resign yourself to being stuck with this orange monster. We need more posts like this. Thanks so much.

[WinkyDink]

10. ????????????????????????????????

[struggle4progress]

8. "Resistance is futile!" is always the first propaganda move for the status quo

[WinkyDink]

9. Please link to your specifics. For example, your "Trump will fire Mueller and get away with

it" is actually "MIGHT fire" (no "get away with it" ), and it's a call to RESISTANCE. Given the Nutcase-in-Chief, it's a sensible topic, not a "doom and gloom" one.

Your second claim about FOX. All I could find was a post that wants FOX investigated for being nothing but propaganda: "FOX IS BRAINWASHING AMERICANS with their lies openly, and it is hurting our country."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1002

[peggysue2]

12. Doom & Gloomers

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing. Not to say there isn't scary stuff out there beneath the radar; there's plenty to keep us up at night.

But when it comes to Trump's invincibility, the fervent base that will never change, that Mueller's investigation/indictment news is sure to disappoint, or Virginia is LOST, LOST, LOST, I have no reasonable explanation. Only that cutting off hope at the knees is a tactic. Keeping people confused and in despair is a method, the sort used by propagandists. Not saying that all people posting these dire messages are propagandists themselves, nor that we shouldn't consider reading things that might scare the bejesus out of us. But we, all of us, DUers or not, need to be cognisant of how prevalent disinformation is right now. It's everywhere. For a purpose. It's meant to muddy the waters and depress a public response.

The Republicans have traditionally used disinfo artfully, usually mixing bits of fact with outright lies. This past week, however, they've come off the rails with gross, hyperbolic accusations.

I don't think Fox has brainwashed everyone. Still, we need to be vigilant because we're all vulnerable.

[WinkyDink]

14. "I don't think Fox has brainwashed everyone." No, REALLY?! Because I'd have sworn all the HRC

voters are their victims! #sarcasm

And where is the thread on VA?

[peggysue2]

22. Don't think . . .

I get the sarcasm, Winky-Dink. Does Fox News hate Hillary Clinton? Of course. Read a line today that if Trump and his supporters didn't have Hillary to beat on, they'd have to invent her. Think that doubles for Fox; at the moment, HRC is their one true punching bag.

As far as the last Virginia post? Think I saw one at the top of the week, people hyperventilating over the Hampton poll, Gillespie up by 7. One poll. Even with that margin figured in, Northam's average was still at +3.6.

There have been others on the board, earlier on. That's not to say it's just DU. NYT (I think) had a headline up about the Virginia race yesterday--couldn't find it when I looked for it--but the headline was something to the effect that "Two Lack Luster Candidates Scramble in Va." Read the first two lines only to find: Democratic operatives were 'begging' voters to come out.

I'm willing to believe that the present political climate can, in fact, exhaust voters to the point that they want nothing to do with politics. That in itself is scary and can be driven by the continuous noise. Deliberately.

So, is the statement by the Times accurate or doom and gloom nonsense? Guess we're going to find out very soon.

My point is we should all be reading with a critical eye, listening with a skeptical ear. It's a sign of the times we live in.

[Thekaspervote]

13. Thanks! I was needing a better spin on things today

[WinkyDink]

15. WTH is going on? Have you LOOKED AT the preponderance of thread topics on GD, p.1?

[WinkyDink]

16. There are at least 10 threads about tomorrow's indictments, ONE of which can be described

as perhaps pessimistic.

[YoungDemCA]

18. Fatigue, fear, anger, and despair about the state of the country and world.

For me, at least, this is the case. Can't speak for others.

[NewsCenter28]

20. "It's another Fitzmas" is an example

"Fitzmas" was still a huge deal. CNN had rolling breaking news coverage all day on it. I remember it well! They had Wolf Blitzer on from 9 a.m. to like 7 p.m. that day! Just because Rove didn't get indicted, it still sent Bush's approval ratings cratering didn't it? It still was another nail in the GOP congressional majorities. I would argue that the effect of Rove getting indicted wouldn't have added a single seat to our 2006 gains; that Libby, alone, was enough.

The Libby affair, alone, ensnared Bush and Cheney. No need to call it a disappointment.

Now, if you wanted to see Rove punished for his crimes and jailed, I can understand your disappointment, but Rove's indictment would not have changed the overall political climate for us much in 2005-2006.

It's just like generally, why be disappointed in the little things when the big things are going your way? We have just 10 months to go now until the klown kar closes up shop on Capitol Hill to run for their lives in the 2018 midterms, and then we will have sweeping control not long after. That's what I mean, by the big things.

[Thirties Child]

21. Not mentioned, but there's always Yellowstone.

Will possibly blow in the next 30 years. One way to clean out the Repubs. Unfortunately, everyone else. And everything else. Sigh.