David Corn SLAMS Trump Where It Will Hurt...

[kpete]

Your son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with a Russian attorney who they were told had HRC dirt as part of a Russian govt secret plan to help you. That is the definition of collusion.

Look it up: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion …

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[Stuart G]

1. That is all she wrote.."'Definition of COLLUSION" against the law it is..

Reminds me so much of Watergate..and it will be...one right after another, after another and then...............
..........................THE BIG ORANGE CHEESE.......at the end of the show......

the cheese will melt away with his resignation................not to be heard from again...........


That is what is going to happen....Hey out there.........How many of you young DUs have ever heard of

Spiro Agnew......????????????????????????????

Yea I know you don't know...Nixon's Vice- President who had to resign...here is a link, read about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew

read parts 6 and 7...save yourself some time...

[Wednesdays]

39. And Agnew resigned over a completely unrelated scandal

One can hope history repeats itself!

[onit2day]

49. Thomm Hartman says Trump needs to blame Pence

as he hired all these people and Flynn, forcing Pence to resign and put someone in as VP who could not become president like a person not born in the USA. So then if we still got rid of Trump we'd get Lyin' Ryan as pres.

[greatauntoftriplets]

2. drumpf probably thinks it's an auto accident.

[iluvtennis]

10. LMBO :-)

[aggiesal]

12. Cheetolini had an auto collusion this weekend ...

Hope he’s paid for his collusion insurance.

[sprinkleeninow]

34. An accident looking for a place to happen. n/t

[AZ8theist]

30. I spit my beer all over the screen..

you owe me a kleenex...

[BlancheSplanchnik]

50. Looks like he might need a lawyer.

😆

[louis-t]

52. There's a local guy that has an ad:

1-800-CARHITU. Not kidding!

[Pope George Ringo II]

53. Saul Goodman seems more his speed

Better Call Saul!

[MyOwnPeace]

3. "Look it up"

Yeah, like he has a dictionary!

[DonViejo]

16. Or knows what a dictionary is.

[Madam45for2923]

4. Must be frustrating to David Corn that he wrote about this on Oct 31st before the elections

but people were not paying attention!

[Vidal]

5. Yes, But . . .

Does anyone think Trump cares about the real definition? And how about his followers (those who can read) probably don't care either.

[WinkyDink]

11. Robert Mueller cares.

[BigmanPigman]

6. Collins was on the AM news shows

and she was saying that HRC needs to come back into the spotlight and DNC people need to testify about how they were involved with the dossier funding, etc. The GOP are 100% in tRump's pocket now.

[YOHABLO]

37. It seems both parties were involved in the funding. The right wing won't say anything about that.

[Scarsdale]

43. Didn't McCain have his

fingers in this "investigation" before it hit the headlines? I read somewhere that he had the file delivered to him, then he spread it around.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. "...especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose..."

But see, they don't consider any of that "illegal" or "deceitful". It's how they do business!

[volstork]

8. Oh,

SNAP!

[yuiyoshida]

9. K&R and Tweeted

[zentrum]

13. Not trying to stir up trouble

.....because this is a serious question. If looking for dirt on Trump with a foreign national is collusion---can anyone explain to me how hiring a foreign national (Steele) to investigate T is not collusion?

I really don't know the nuances on this. Serious question. Please don't alert.

[MaryMagdaline]

15. Britain is not an enemy

False equivalency by GOP. We share security with Britain. Their former spies share our values. Britain has not cyber attacked us or sought to undermine our democracy.

[zentrum]

18. Right, I thought of

....that and yet this current Russia is not the old cold war USSR.

Putin may, in fact, feel he is our enemy but Russia is not an official, designated enemy---like N. Korea. We have maintained diplomatic and trade relationships together---even though we've sanctioned them for the Ukraine invasion.

I think it's murky and I'm concerned that in structure, what The Dems did with the Steele dossier is not legally all that different.

I think it's more likely we'll get T on money laundering and corruption, but will have to slog through endless hearings screaming: "The Dems colluded too!"

[MaryMagdaline]

20. Yes but

We can at least say we will collude with Britain again and again without shame. I take your point about collusion. If the GOP had a candidate who had not laundered Russian money, such as Romney, and that candidate had not dropped sanctions from the platform, collusion would not be a scandal. We would say naive and bad choice of friends. The fact that our Congress overwhelmingly backed sanctions means that the GOP identified Russia as an enemy before the GOP chose its candidate. And they confirmed Russia to be an enemy after the election by extending sanctions. They are now going to say Russia was a friend? The big picture is that Trump wasn't giving away American foreign policy based on some deep-felt belief in peace on earth. The Russians owned him and colluding to get elected was just the beginning of what he was going to owe them when he became President. He agreed to lift sanctions. If provable, that is the quid pro quo.

[zentrum]

24. Okay. Good points.

I might possibly exhale now.

[whathehell]

41. Steele has worked with American Intelligence in the past..

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and Britain is our oldest and closest ally...Russia, while not the old Soviet enemy of the past, has certanly never been an ally and is presently defined as an adversary.

[zentrum]

46. Absolutely agree.

Was really just wondering about the legal niceties of all this. Want it to work.

[lagomorph777]

17. (1) Russia is an enemy; UK is an ally. (2) Putin gives Trump stolen material: that's an emolument.

Hiring an investigator is perfectly legal. Accepting stolen material from a foreign adversary, to overthrow our democracy is a violation of campaign law and the Emoluments Clause.

[zentrum]

19. Okay. That helps

.....because I think it will be a case based on the emoluments and also the other crimes---money laundering.

But officially speaking, as I understand it, Russia is not an adversary. Not since the end of the Cold War and the break up of the Soviet Union. We have trade deals and diplomatic relations with them. So I think the distinction between the UK and Russia, regardless of how we feel about it, is not technically the issue.

Or rather---I'm holding my breath on this part. Wonder what a Maddow and O'Donnell analysis would say on why one case is clearly collusion and one clearly isn't. Maybe it comes down to what you say about hiring a private investigator. Guess I'm being slow on this

[lagomorph777]

21. Officially, Russia committed an act of war by trying to overthrow our democracy.

But if you are waiting for Pres. Turd to officially declare that - oh wait - he did, when he signed the sanctions bill that Congress jammed down his throat.

[zentrum]

27. Right--I'm clear

...how Putin tried to overthrow our democracy but that goal and outcome is not the same as T trying to get her emails, which is closer to "opposition research". So, I hope our case about T and his cronie's holds up.

[lagomorph777]

28. No, collaborating with a foreign enemy to thwart democracy is not oppo research.

It's treason.

[zentrum]

31. But Russia is not an

...official enemy. They are however, a foreign government---and I think that's going to be a key difference.

Thanks for your perseverance.

[lagomorph777]

32. And Vlad thanks you for yours.

[zentrum]

33. Guess you had to go there.

[Hekate]

38. If you don't want people to "go there," perhaps you should reconsider your own persistance...

...in making modern-day Russia out to not be our enemy. They are.

As has been well documented, Putin is a creature of the old USSR and KGB to the bone. He never accepted Russia's reduced stature in the world and never accepted the loss of empire. He has a well thought out plan for expanding his nation's borders and destabilizing Western democracies. He is a master of manipulation and propaganda. Brexit, Calexit, Texit, have all been in part or in whole financed by Russia. (Which makes me wonder about Catalonia.) The rise of RW politicians in Europe and Britain -- also support from Russia.

They made an act of war against the US, but nobody in the current admin really knows how respond, do they? Both Obama and Biden did their best to spread the available info around the government before they left, and hinted at a US response via cyber-espionage. But who knows how it's gone, since Trump and the whole GOP are hell-bent on erasing Obama's legacy, however much it hurts the nation.

It doesn't take a declaration of war, afaik, for a country to behave as our enemy and indeed be our enemy.

[zentrum]

40. Was very

...clear to point out they are not an official, declared enemy, as defined by our own Government and State Department. And yes, clearly Putin is an enemy of America and the entire West and of Democracy. I am not defending Putin, Russia, their goals or what they did in the election. But go ahead, keep twisting my intent and words if it gives you pleasure.

Distinctions and genuine questions in order to understand the legalities of this situation to determine what will actually hold up in a criminal court or an investigation seem not allowed. Just march!

[whathehell]

42. Russia is being defined as an "adversary"

It's a step down from "enemy" but many steps removed from "ally".

[zentrum]

47. God no--not an ally.

Just trying to get at the legal definitions of each entity here.

[whathehell]

48. I understand.

No problem.

[MaryMagdaline]

22. Not sworn enemy

We won't prove treason. Not st war with Russia. But a defined enemy. With the Steele dossier, Rubio, Clinton or whoever paid for it were not promising to subvert American foreign policy in exchange for the dossier or asking Britain to give them Trump's stolen emails.

[zentrum]

25. Yes. Right.

These differences really may make the case.

[sprinkleeninow]

36. 'Subversion.' V.G. eom

[mobeau69]

26. I think it's because a foreign national is not the same thing as a foreign government.

I think it would be illegal if any candidate worked with Britain, or any other government, to influence one of our elections.

[zentrum]

29. Right, so it's

...the private investigator vs. a government that makes the difference. Agreed.

[spanone]

14. K&R...

[turbinetree]

23. For the collusion team and the head malignant normality, think more long term than 30 days

[red dog 1]

35. K&R

[The Wizard]

44. Trump has the syntax

of a 5th grade dropout.

[Fritz Walter]

45. Twitler: "Fake Dictionary! SAD!"

It's fake because it doesn't have a picture for each definition!

[Gothmog]

51. Great tweet by David Corn

[Lifelong Protester]

54. K & R!