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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:17 PM Oct 2017

Mueller Has Dozens of Sealed Indictments, Including On Donald Trump

Exclusive: Mueller Has ‘Dozens’ of Sealed Indictments, Including On Donald Trump

Exclusive: Multiple sources with links to the justice and intelligence communities report that Special Counsel Mueller has dozens of sealed indictments against suspects in the Trump Russia scandal. There are now several sealed indictments against Donald Trump personally. This site exclusively reported the first indictment returned against Trump in May, a RICO charge involving Felix Sater, Bayrock, the Trump Organization, and agents of the Russian state.

CNN broke the news that Robert Mueller would be revealing the first charge, or charges, in the Trump Russia investigation in the last week of October. Their reporting did not specify which suspects would be charged first.

This article will attempt to summarize some of our reporting on evidence the Special Counsel has before him, and on existing sealed indictments. In a separate story, I will summarize which of my reports have been confirmed by the mainstream media. ................









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Mueller Has Dozens of Sealed Indictments, Including On Donald Trump (Original Post) L. Coyote Oct 2017 OP
Mensch is a troll,and Claude ain't far behind.. HipChick Oct 2017 #1
So they are all innocent? MFM008 Oct 2017 #2
Non sequitur. shanny Oct 2017 #33
This post should not be here on DU SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #46
Cite a couple for me... Ellipsis Oct 2017 #51
Okay charlyvi Oct 2017 #55
I am familiar with that example... He hoisted himself on his Pitard on that one. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #56
Okay charlyvi Oct 2017 #59
My sources say the death penalty, for espionage, Ellipsis Oct 2017 #65
"...being considered for @StevenKBannon." shanny Oct 2017 #73
Every chance I get... but it's not my money shot... Ellipsis Oct 2017 #75
Did you know that if, in a court of law, a witness gets caught in a lie shanny Oct 2017 #81
Sorry. We disagree. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #84
Yup. shanny Oct 2017 #90
I agree completely. shanny Oct 2017 #71
Well..... FarPoint Oct 2017 #78
You should make an official list of approved sources. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #113
Why not skip the pretending SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #114
No, it doesn't mean they are innocent. But they are trolling people for donations with BS stories snooper2 Oct 2017 #101
trolling people for money..?? What site doesn't ask for donations ? Wwcd Oct 2017 #105
What site doesn't ask for money- Millions, www.google.com to start LOL snooper2 Oct 2017 #106
Dont say it unless you have read her blog. She's been correct. Wwcd Oct 2017 #109
Yup. Too bad - this is a yummy "prediction." Not biting. here. elfin Oct 2017 #4
And then let me guess... maryellen99 Oct 2017 #7
Nope. Gawd, Nope. Nopity Nope. elfin Oct 2017 #12
Thank you nt maryellen99 Oct 2017 #13
I have been trying to remember Fitzgerald's name all day Kolesar Oct 2017 #62
As I recall, we thought he was going to nail Rove. Plame a different event - elfin Oct 2017 #100
Louise Mensch stands foursquare for The_jackalope Oct 2017 #6
Is that why she has been attacking Joy Reid, Malcom Nance and other MSNBC hosts... HipChick Oct 2017 #8
Think thats because Reid & Nance ran a story as "breaking exclusive" story, Wwcd Oct 2017 #15
It's not just Joy or Malcom... HipChick Oct 2017 #19
And they probably had real sources. nt shanny Oct 2017 #74
Lol. Ya their source was Louise, who's sources come from the Wwcd Oct 2017 #107
lol shanny Oct 2017 #119
Nance and Mensch have been on TV together. Raine1967 Oct 2017 #35
foursquare for ... clickbait muriel_volestrangler Oct 2017 #11
Some say she's still writing fiction. n/t hughee99 Oct 2017 #102
How did "Never Trump" turn into "troll" anyway? Talk about rope a dope! L. Coyote Oct 2017 #23
Ya got me, mate. The_jackalope Oct 2017 #25
oh good dawg...that's hilarious. shanny Oct 2017 #37
Which is relevant how? The_jackalope Oct 2017 #43
It's the hype. shanny Oct 2017 #44
exactly grantcart Oct 2017 #31
Why are their tweets still being posted here? Shouldn't we all know they applegrove Oct 2017 #93
Hmm.. I sure saw alot of that hot air on MSM TV during the 2016 campaign! Wwcd Oct 2017 #108
These two out of the woodwork again. Codeine Oct 2017 #3
Interesting how both of them had the inside line on indictments before everyone else! L. Coyote Oct 2017 #32
Wait. Are you trying to claim that Taylor and Mensch shanny Oct 2017 #39
You'll want to read the links. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #48
Your link goes to a blog....real serious news source there. shanny Oct 2017 #70
unproven doesn't mean false does it? Ellipsis Oct 2017 #79
True, it doesn't. shanny Oct 2017 #89
Indeed they did. Ellipsis Oct 2017 #52
A criminal investigation is ongoing HopeAgain Oct 2017 #87
She's been wrong before, but she's been on the right track, also. lindysalsagal Oct 2017 #5
Holy Crap..a 1 in 2 chance HipChick Oct 2017 #10
Unbelievable! HopeAgain Oct 2017 #88
Not again! ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #9
Laufer says Trump is indicted Not Ruth Oct 2017 #14
Title should have a disclaimer since it is from Mensch. It is probably pure BS. She literally SweetieD Oct 2017 #16
Yeah, this thread should be deleted TBH bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #18
Yeah, like the FISA warrant? Then months later the media got the story. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #24
Throw enough shit at the wall some of it is bound to stick. BannonsLiver Oct 2017 #36
The FISA warrant that they originally claimed was a FISA indictment? shanny Oct 2017 #80
Claude Taylor & Louise Mensch? Botany Oct 2017 #17
So the message of the thread seems to be The_jackalope Oct 2017 #20
It must be true someone said it on the Internet. KWR65 Oct 2017 #21
Dozens of republican TreasonWeasels betraying America Achilleaze Oct 2017 #22
Rec just because I want it to be true UTUSN Oct 2017 #26
I don't believe Mueller will indict a sitting president. He will Sneederbunk Oct 2017 #27
Lurid Trump allegations made by Louise Mensch and co-writer came from hoaxer .99center Oct 2017 #28
Hoping Vidal Oct 2017 #29
I thought we were done with Louise Mencsh Tavarious Jackson Oct 2017 #30
Who's we? I don't have a problem with her... she's rattling the Donald's cage Ellipsis Oct 2017 #38
If it sounds too good to be true than it probably is. nycbos Oct 2017 #34
Like everything Mensch says BainsBane Oct 2017 #50
Will they be released before or after the Impeachment Charges filed with the House Sergeant at Arms? brooklynite Oct 2017 #40
Bravo! shanny Oct 2017 #77
Kickn' and Wishin' :) n/t sagesnow Oct 2017 #41
Oh, for Loki's sake! MineralMan Oct 2017 #42
I find the analysis on her website to be believable. Guaranteed? No, but I will happily read wiggs Oct 2017 #45
I don't believe it. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #47
So, this is the first time you've heard of Patribotics? Where have you been? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #53
I've been reading political news every day for years. That's where I've been. Honeycombe8 Oct 2017 #99
Mensch knows nothing. BainsBane Oct 2017 #49
She was right. Knowing arrests were imminent was an easy call long before Comey was fired. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #57
Mueller tried and executed him before he was appointed? BainsBane Oct 2017 #66
It doesn't make any sense. That is the point. The tweeter named Jules was lying. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #68
I don't care if others I like & respect don't like them! I will continue appreciating both of them. Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #54
I'd like to see the naysayers refer us to their Twitter feeds and investigative reporting. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #58
Yes I appreciate how they are relentless, The country is more important than anything @ d moment Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #61
Ahem. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2017 #118
I got very excited Clarity2 Oct 2017 #60
"Go big or go home" Kolesar Oct 2017 #63
Twitter Sh'tter tantrums they are acoming. democratisphere Oct 2017 #64
Shit brettdale Oct 2017 #67
Gee, how did I immediately know it was these two? JenniferJuniper Oct 2017 #69
the smell of bullshit in the morning BainsBane Oct 2017 #72
Because it sounded made up? HopeAgain Oct 2017 #82
oh please. people are still falling for the BS of these two? Takket Oct 2017 #76
I wish you'd put Mensch and Taylor in the OP headline so auto-trash would work Kaleva Oct 2017 #83
Wow, the responses ! nocalflea Oct 2017 #85
The Trump Clarity2 Oct 2017 #104
Andrew C Laufer? Really? Bad joke. onenote Oct 2017 #86
That alone doesnt mean hes a flake Nevernose Oct 2017 #91
... no legal prohibition on prosecuting a President of the United States." L. Coyote Oct 2017 #92
I'm with Nance on this: demmiblue Oct 2017 #94
I'm with Nance on this: L. Coyote Oct 2017 #95
Ah, but the later post supercedes yours. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2017 #115
Trump's campaign advisor George Papadopolous has pleaded guilty to making false statements to FBI L. Coyote Oct 2017 #96
Papadopoulos reached a plea deal with prosecutors, and has since been cooperating .... since July! L. Coyote Oct 2017 #98
Just saying: a certain blogger from England said in the spring that potential arrests were wiggs Oct 2017 #111
Geee, I wonder who that could have been? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #112
Hope it's true, but Mensch is not a mensch. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2017 #97
Trump's indictment has a golden seal Blue Owl Oct 2017 #103
Fill in the blank numbers folks: L. Coyote Oct 2017 #110
I am with Nance on all of this grantcart Oct 2017 #117
That doesn't look like dozens and dozens. nt Crabby Appleton Nov 2017 #122
Remember that @LouiseMensch and @TrueFactsStated said that there were people arrested in July L. Coyote Oct 2017 #116
"more than *50 people* have been indicted already in #TrumpRussia" L. Coyote Nov 2017 #120
Lets look at Menschs track record on indictment claims so far... Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #121
Andy Borowitz is reporting Americans are upset we don't have an arrest a day. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #123

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
2. So they are all innocent?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:29 PM
Oct 2017

Last edited Mon Oct 30, 2017, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)

Nothing to see here right?
Someone has need indicted

Mueller doesn't need Mensch or anyone else.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
33. Non sequitur.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:56 PM
Oct 2017

You can't infer that "they are all innocent" from somebody thinking Claude Taylor and Louise Mensch are trolls.

IMO Taylor and Mensch are trolls, almost nobody is innocent* and at most we will see one or two indictments tomorrow of "first rung" perps--I'm guessing Manafort and Flynn.

This is only the beginning.





*although many are clueless: the tRumps in particular are so totally unethical, and have gotten away with so much for so long, they probably think A) this is a totally unfair witch hunt; and B) they will get away with it again. Well, maybe Jared and Ivanka are smart enough or more likely have good enough lawyers to know they are in deep doo-doo. Those two have been mighty quiet of late.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
46. This post should not be here on DU
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:04 PM
Oct 2017

It diminishes the reputation and credibility of DU to post either of these two. Whether this particular story ends up being correct or not is not relevant; both of these sources have posted wildly exaggerated stories that have proven to be complete bullshit in the past.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
55. Okay
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:24 PM
Oct 2017
Lurid Trump allegations made by Louise Mensch and co-writer came from hoaxer

Explosive allegations about Donald Trump made by online writers with large followings among Trump critics were based on bogus information from a hoaxer who falsely claimed to work in law enforcement.


New fake news dilemma: sites publish real scoops amid mess of false reports
Read more
Claude Taylor tweeted fake details of criminal inquiries into Trump that were invented by a source whose claim to work for the New York attorney general was not checked, according to emails seen by the Guardian. The allegations were endorsed as authentic and retweeted by his co-writer Louise Mensch.

The source’s false tips included an allegation, which has been aggressively circulated by Mensch and Taylor, that Trump’s inactive fashion model agency is under investigation by New York authorities for possible sex trafficking.

The hoaxer, who fed the information to Taylor by email, said she acted out of frustration over the “dissemination of fake news” by Taylor and Mensch. Their false stories about Trump have included a claim that he was already being replaced as president by Senator Orrin Hatch in a process kept secret from the American public.

“Taylor asked no questions to verify my identity, did no vetting whatsoever, sought no confirmation from a second source – but instead asked leading questions to support his various theories, asking me to verify them,” the source said in an email.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
56. I am familiar with that example... He hoisted himself on his Pitard on that one.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:27 PM
Oct 2017

He's never claimed to be perfect nor a reporter.that is one example...


Give me one for Mensch that's the topic.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
59. Okay
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:34 PM
Oct 2017
FIXING TWITTER’S LOUISE MENSCH PROBLEM

And he isn’t the only one doing so. On Wednesday morning, former Conservative member of Parliament-turned-blogger Louise Mensch, who is verified on the platform, took to Twitter to report the following: “My sources say the death penalty, for espionage, being considered for @StevenKBannon. I am pro-life and take no pleasure in reporting this.” Mensch, who officially severed ties earlier this year with News Corp, where she was the editor of conservative news site Heat Street, now runs a blog called Patribotics, a site consisting of “Investigative journalism and analysis of the Russian hack on America’s election and related topics. Pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-NATO, pro-Russia, anti-Putin.” The tweet about Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist in the White House, it almost goes without saying, isn’t her first uncorroborated, conspiratorial musing on the platform. Mensch says she “absolutely believes” that Russian intelligence planted Hillary Clinton’s e-mails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop; that Russian President Vladimir Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed to allow for Bannon to ascend at Breitbart; and that a number of journalists, public figures, and Twitter users are “Putinbots,” “Kremlin shills,” or otherwise agents of Russia and Putin.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/twitter-verification-problem

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
65. My sources say the death penalty, for espionage,
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:43 PM
Oct 2017

delighted to hear it- that is an option for espionage isn't it?

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
81. Did you know that if, in a court of law, a witness gets caught in a lie
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:25 PM
Oct 2017

the judge can instruct the jury to disregard everything else they say? Of course, somebody's blog isn't a court of law, and neither is this board, but I think we ought to have standards. And those two don't measure up.

FarPoint

(12,359 posts)
78. Well.....
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:17 PM
Oct 2017

The credibility here was lost or at least diminished over a year ago with the Primaries....but... that said...
I remain loyal....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
113. You should make an official list of approved sources.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:36 PM
Oct 2017

You should make an official list of approved sources. And then pretend the list is objective. And then pretend you understand both credibility and reputation.

As it stands, you're going backwards.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
114. Why not skip the pretending
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:53 PM
Oct 2017

Last edited Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

And say that any source that has been shown in the past to be completely unreliable and making shit up just to troll for repostings should not be posted here as a legitimate news story.

Suggesting a list of approved sites, rather than a list of sites proven to be crap, is hardly a step in the right direction. It’s just a distraction.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
101. No, it doesn't mean they are innocent. But they are trolling people for donations with BS stories
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 02:49 PM
Oct 2017

Now I know why the link was "hidden" to the "story" LOL-

I went to that crappy webpage. It is cool how they source themselves on each BLOCKBUSTER story LOL



But hey, if you "believe" in their awesome "journalism" click on that donate link! It ain't my money

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
105. trolling people for money..?? What site doesn't ask for donations ?
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 03:27 PM
Oct 2017

This is an extremely unfair attack.
I have yet to see a site that doesn't have a donate button.
Imagine the horror of those that require a payment just to read their online site, via Subscription, or an offer that a donation will get a poster some sort of privilege over those who do not contribute.

TROLLING FOR PEOPLE'S MONEY IS AN UNFAIR ACCUSATION.
(just want to point that out)

I have seen postings here on DU from extremely biased sites.
Some were alerted on for that reason & the jury had no problem allowing it .
So who determines where that line is drawn?
Btw, Mensch has been correct more than not.
Her sourcing & findings have ACTUALLY been repeated on MSM, by credible news shows who come highly approved by DU posters.

I don't get why the slamming & vitrole for anyone who has made a point of sourcing & reporting the corrupt deeds of Trump/Putin & their global criminal enterprise.
Unless one actually reads Mensch & Patribotics, how would one know enough to so visciously dismiss what she has written?

It sounds more like a personal thing perhaps, with some, than a broadly credible reason for dismissing her work.

Don't read her reporting if you don't want to.

Its that simple.
There are postings I see who's sources I don't agree with completely, but I can refrain from attacking them, out of respect for the beliefs of the poster.

As long as they go after Trump corruption, I can keep an open mind.

Thanks

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
106. What site doesn't ask for money- Millions, www.google.com to start LOL
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 03:31 PM
Oct 2017

And yes, they are douchebag trolls and they both will be called out every time...

They are either putting out disinformation on purpose (on Putin's dime)

Or, are preying on the gullible for donations so they get an easy pay day. Make shit up, tweet it, watch donations come in as people eat it up.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
109. Dont say it unless you have read her blog. She's been correct.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:05 PM
Oct 2017

Why would anyone defend Trump against her reporting. Its freaking suspicious.

I do know RU trolls have gone after her to shut her sources down. They're the only ones who hate her.
Except for here on DU, & I would expect anyone who is dismissing her reporting simply is repeating some talking pts & has never actually read nor followed her work.

Oh yes, there Louise & her team have been the targets of RU trolls and have managed to expose their locations & troll accts. They don't want Team Patriot Louise to report on Putin' s US criminal coup either.
Read her work.
Otherwise, leave it alone.

She has outed RU troll attacks & her reporting on who they are is remarkable.
But then she also has an assists from those who work with our allies & 5Eyes countries around the world.
She doesn't rely on MSM for her news, but they have on occassion relied on her.




elfin

(6,262 posts)
4. Yup. Too bad - this is a yummy "prediction." Not biting. here.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:33 PM
Oct 2017

How keenly I remember "Fitzmas."

My own prediction - tomorrow will be anti-climactic, given our hopes. Manafort and Flynn both at the most with more than one charge for each. Hope I am wrong.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
12. Nope. Gawd, Nope. Nopity Nope.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:43 PM
Oct 2017

My cynicism does have its limits. However, the Orange Menace has routinely tested those limits in the past.

Keeping my expectations for tomorrow low so this pessimist is proved wrong -- at last.

The ONLY person in government I trust now is Mueller. And Al Franken.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
62. I have been trying to remember Fitzgerald's name all day
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:40 PM
Oct 2017

Something involving Robert Novak ratting out Valerie Plame?

elfin

(6,262 posts)
100. As I recall, we thought he was going to nail Rove. Plame a different event -
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 02:44 PM
Oct 2017

again, as this geezer recalls. Most of all, I remember being so SURE that Rove was going down via Patrick Fitzgerald and around Christmas week. However, don't remember which of so many bad behaviors was going to lead to "Turd Blossom's" comeuppance.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
6. Louise Mensch stands foursquare for
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:35 PM
Oct 2017

- Truth, Justice and The American Way.
- Country over party.
- Make sure the whole Trump administration dies in jail if at all possible.

Some troll.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
8. Is that why she has been attacking Joy Reid, Malcom Nance and other MSNBC hosts...
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:37 PM
Oct 2017

and to date, never been on any of their shows?..

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
15. Think thats because Reid & Nance ran a story as "breaking exclusive" story,
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:54 PM
Oct 2017

that had actually been researched & sourced by Louise & Claude months earlier.

When contacted for credit, Reid & Nance refused to acknowlege the original source of the story.

I'd be a little pissed too, i guess, If I did the work & someone then claimed it as there own.

The story had been on Loiuse's blog patibotics.com for awhile when Reid & Nance claimed it as exclusive, with no creds to.the source.

I believe that's where the hard feelings come from & I get the ratings thing but why they would do this is kinda disappointing.

Also this isn't the first time its happened with MSM.





 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
107. Lol. Ya their source was Louise, who's sources come from the
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

5EYES US allies, & those outside the US.

If one hasn't read her Patribotic blog, then there is no validity to the comments against her or her Team.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
35. Nance and Mensch have been on TV together.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 08:00 PM
Oct 2017

on MSNBC. Stephanie Rhule was the host:



(To be honest, I have stayed out of these twitter fights. Things have changed a LOT since this happened)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,314 posts)
11. foursquare for ... clickbait
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:40 PM
Oct 2017

She is, of course, British. And a conservative. Who quit as an MP. And wrote fiction before the political interlude.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
23. How did "Never Trump" turn into "troll" anyway? Talk about rope a dope!
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:33 PM
Oct 2017

Was that Putin's idea?

This is just all so confusing .... I better turn on Fox News to rope the real dope .... NOPE!









You know, the basement of a pizza place without a basement.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
43. Which is relevant how?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 08:12 PM
Oct 2017

Brits can believe in justice too, right? And Tories can want to see Trump imprisoned, right?

How is being a Brit and an ex-MP disqualifying? Aside from the accusations giving her with some shade that makes it harder to see her message.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
44. It's the hype.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 08:46 PM
Oct 2017

Foursquare behind Truth, Justice and the American Way! I'm totally sure she was indoctrinated with that, as we were.. ....oh, you left out the part about being a Tory MP. I trust them almost as much as I trust Lindsey Graham: a Never-Trumper* who still falls right in line.

Mensch is in it for the clicks. That's all.



* except of course he's coming around. Tax cuts are important, doncha know.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
108. Hmm.. I sure saw alot of that hot air on MSM TV during the 2016 campaign!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 03:39 PM
Oct 2017

Man, they couldn't shove Trump down our throats fast enough. 24/7 actually!

So pardon people who look elsewhere, for their news.
Thanks anyway..

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
3. These two out of the woodwork again.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:32 PM
Oct 2017

Funny how neither of them had the inside line on the ACTUAL indictment after breathless predictions going back months on end.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
32. Interesting how both of them had the inside line on indictments before everyone else!
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:54 PM
Oct 2017

And finally a MSM outlet confirms there are sealed indictments. And then people attack them for knowing the facts before everyone else. Go figure!






 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
39. Wait. Are you trying to claim that Taylor and Mensch
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 08:04 PM
Oct 2017

had the inside scoop on sealed indictments months ago...before there were any? WTF?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
48. You'll want to read the links.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:09 PM
Oct 2017

So, you are the one with the inside info about when the sealed indictments were handed down. We've all been looking for you.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
70. Your link goes to a blog....real serious news source there.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:02 PM
Oct 2017

Oh, and there's this:

https://www.snopes.com/sealed-indictment-president-trump/



you've clearly been looking for something, I'm not sure what it is.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
89. True, it doesn't.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:40 PM
Oct 2017

And neither does the announcement of a sealed indictment on Friday mean that there are "dozens" more, have been since May, and that they include tRump. That is a gargantuan leap of faith and those two don't merit any.

And they made this claim on May 13. Comey had only been fired 3 days before, Mueller wasn't appointed yet...but somehow, the FBI and the DoJ generally had enough solid evidence to get indictments. Riiiiiight. The investigation didn't even ramp up until then and it still took 6 months for the first indictment to be revealed.

Maybe you weren't around during Watergate. I was, and nothing--Nothing!--in an actual serious criminal/government investigation moves that fast. Even if you backdate to when the FBI start sniffing around the year before, they didn't have enough to act on (or surely Obama would have insisted, hmmm?)

No. This is fantasy. I don't do fantasy.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
87. A criminal investigation is ongoing
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:33 PM
Oct 2017

And somebody is Nostradamus because they see indictments in the future?

I have many "sources" that Manafort will be indicted. Can I become a Twitter God if I turn out to be right?

lindysalsagal

(20,682 posts)
5. She's been wrong before, but she's been on the right track, also.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:33 PM
Oct 2017

Holy crap if she's right this time......HOLY CRAP

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. Not again!
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:37 PM
Oct 2017

I thought you were done posting these two. LM is bad news, and CT just repeats whatever LM tweets. I really wanted this to be beyond a shadow of a doubt reputable.

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
16. Title should have a disclaimer since it is from Mensch. It is probably pure BS. She literally
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:55 PM
Oct 2017

just makes stuff up.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
80. The FISA warrant that they originally claimed was a FISA indictment?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:20 PM
Oct 2017

And then later--after being called out on the fact that FISA doesn't issue indictments, with or without the FBI--contradicted themselves on whether they ever said that?

https://www.snopes.com/sealed-indictment-president-trump/

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
20. So the message of the thread seems to be
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:14 PM
Oct 2017

M&T or DU, but never M&T and DU.
Am I close? I wouldn't want to step on any landmines here.

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
21. It must be true someone said it on the Internet.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:20 PM
Oct 2017

In my humble opinion people that spread stuff like this have zero credibility.


Sneederbunk

(14,290 posts)
27. I don't believe Mueller will indict a sitting president. He will
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:44 PM
Oct 2017

make case against Trump in report to Congress for impeachment purposes.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
28. Lurid Trump allegations made by Louise Mensch and co-writer came from hoaxer
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:45 PM
Oct 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor?CMP=edit_2221

*Mensch and Claude Taylor tweeted details of criminal inquires that didn’t exist
*Hoaxer who fed information said she acted out of frustration over fake news
*Taylor issues mea culpa on Twitter after being approached by Guardian

Explosive allegations about Donald Trump made by online writers with large followings among Trump critics were based on bogus information from a hoaxer who falsely claimed to work in law enforcement.

Claude Taylor tweeted fake details of criminal inquiries into Trump that were invented by a source whose claim to work for the New York attorney general was not checked, according to emails seen by the Guardian. The allegations were endorsed as authentic and retweeted by his co-writer Louise Mensch.

The source’s false tips included an allegation, which has been aggressively circulated by Mensch and Taylor, that Trump’s inactive fashion model agency is under investigation by New York authorities for possible sex trafficking.

The hoaxer, who fed the information to Taylor by email, said she acted out of frustration over the “dissemination of fake news” by Taylor and Mensch. Their false stories about Trump have included a claim that he was already being replaced as president by Senator Orrin Hatch in a process kept secret from the American public.


 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
30. I thought we were done with Louise Mencsh
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:50 PM
Oct 2017

I can't stand her. She's a disgusting propaganda pusher RW nutjob

wiggs

(7,812 posts)
45. I find the analysis on her website to be believable. Guaranteed? No, but I will happily read
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:00 PM
Oct 2017

the purported findings and conclusions and can make my own judgements. She neither has to be perfectly accurate or a media hound shoving out click-bait. Could be anywhere in between until shown differently.

It's just interesting supposition and dot-connecting that may or may not end up being accurate. Just like most of what we do on DU every day.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. I don't believe it.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:04 PM
Oct 2017

I've never heard of Patribotics, and as far as I know, it's not a legitimate news source. Any sealed indictment on Trump would have been the ultimate in secrets...as secret as a plan to go to war.

If this were true, the author would be in custody right now being questioned about her sources. It'd be considered a most serious crime to reveal such a thing involving the President.

But we'll see.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
53. So, this is the first time you've heard of Patribotics? Where have you been?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:16 PM
Oct 2017

Mensch was a member of Parliament in England and her sources include British intelligence. That's why she has been a conduit of intelligence on the Steele dossier and other matters. The Brits are spying on Trump and friends all the time, as are other countries investigating his global criminal enterprises. Patribotics is her political blog. She is a leading conservative Never Trumper who collaborates across the political spectrum to investigate Trump.

You should know, it is possible to gain intelligence from outside the USA and report it, all neat and legal! We call it freedom of the press.
Trump calling it fake news is called freedom of speech, and stupid too, of course.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
99. I've been reading political news every day for years. That's where I've been.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 01:37 PM
Oct 2017

So, no...this outfit isn't well known and has no cred, yet.

It's not a legitimate news organization, either. And the story doesn't even ring true. So, no, I don't believe it.

These are the sorts of stories that people want to believe, and I think that thwarts their common sense to rely on legitimate news sources. Researched and sourced, earned credibility over time. Following the journalism code of ethics. I read that one of these people has already done a story that turned out not to be true? In any case...I'll wait for NYT or WaPo reporters, or CNN investigative reporters, and such to report this. It COULD be true, but I don't believe it.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
49. Mensch knows nothing.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:10 PM
Oct 2017

She insisted arrests were imminent months ago, before Comey was fired. She is the epitome of fake news.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
57. She was right. Knowing arrests were imminent was an easy call long before Comey was fired.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:29 PM
Oct 2017

Interesting how her knowing in advance what we all now know and anxiously await tomorrow makes her knowledge "fake news" just before she is proven right!

Being a Never Trump advocate sure painted a big target on her, I understand that. But why do people just make up lies about her?






BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
66. Mueller tried and executed him before he was appointed?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:45 PM
Oct 2017

Before Comey testified to congress that Trump had not been a target of the investigation? How does that possibly make any sense?

This is a perfect example of how the pizzagate story spread. Facts and logic are utterly irrelevant. All that matters is being told what one wants to believe, and Mensch is laughing all the way to the bank.

And you post that tweet like it's evidence of something other than a random person on Twitter agrees with you.

If Mensch is right, we'll see dozens of arrests this week. But then, Mensch is never right.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
54. I don't care if others I like & respect don't like them! I will continue appreciating both of them.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:22 PM
Oct 2017

CT & LM

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
58. I'd like to see the naysayers refer us to their Twitter feeds and investigative reporting.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:34 PM
Oct 2017

Some people do real grunt work, some people just bullshit on social media. And some just knock down the ones doing the real work. Kudos to Mensch, Taylor and others for presenting some real resistance. Where would we be if the Good Germans had their way and silenced the voices of opposition to Trump?

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
60. I got very excited
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 09:35 PM
Oct 2017

Then realized it was Scoobies.

Its not even so much that mensch is right or wrong (many people could have said indictments were coming and theyd eventually probably happen), its the divisive behavior, the block lists of hundreds of thousands of resist members that team patriot follow, calling high profile people like dana boenta and preet bahara, BLM and I think even Ted Lieu Deza.
They take people into a rabbit hole, isolate them and scam them. They tell them no action is needed "its all under control, the indictments are coming". Its purely a distraction from things going on such as policies trump is passing under everyones nose.

Shes not on the left. She never will be. Shes got an agenda. Most of her buds are conservatives. Taylor is just tagging along for the grift to the tune of 50k plus already.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
82. Because it sounded made up?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:27 PM
Oct 2017

I thought fake news was against TOS?

And don't tell me about some warrants three months ago. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
85. Wow, the responses !
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:32 PM
Oct 2017

No Taylor ain't a grifter folks. Whether you believe Taylor on Trump/Russia, I find unimportant.

Sceptism is natural.Taylor has over 200,000 followers on twitter. They come for inside dope, but stay for an entirely different reason. Taylor has set the tone for his large community of followers. His tag line is "We will get through this together". This is about emotional support, about hope.

Check out his "Adopt a House Challenger" campaign on Twitter. This is twitter activism at it's best. It should be worth your while, that is if you want to flip the house.



https://mobile.twitter.com...

How he makes money off this campaign is a mystery to me. He is not collecting donations.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
104. The Trump
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 03:25 PM
Oct 2017

bots have more followers than Taylor. It doesn't mean anything.

Taylor has collected two gofundme accounts. One for the "car". One for a lawyer for a bogus lawsuit that never happened. Then he suddenly bought a shaggy van. The second fund was requested by him.

Before he got twitter fame, he said he wanted to "monetize" his twitter account.

Taylor has also lied and implied he "worked for 2 (or 3) WH administrations". Please, he worked in the volunteer office. Look it up. It's right on google on a .gov website. Neither Clinton follows him. That says a lot.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
86. Andrew C Laufer? Really? Bad joke.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 10:32 PM
Oct 2017

Last edited Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Andrew C. Läufer has a two person law firm in midtown Manhattan. His firm specializes in the following areas:

Auto Accidents
Construction Accidents
Slip & Fall Accidents
Elevator Accidents
Labor Law
Civil Rights Law
Employment Law
Malpractice Law
Personal Injury
Wrongful Death
Wrongful Imprisonment
Police Brutality Cases

He has no criminal law chops, no DC connections. He's a flake. Yet some here cite him as a credible source. Face palm.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
91. That alone doesnt mean hes a flake
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 11:01 PM
Oct 2017

I concur with you (for whatever tiny amount that’s worth), but for wholly other reasons.

Anyone who can afford the rent on a Midtown office can’t be doing TOO badly at their job, right?

And his specialty and firm size might just indicate his entrepreneurial spirit. Besides which, I’ve known (been acquainted with) a couple of small operations that made way more money than some of the giant mills do; it only takes one or two whales.

Maybe he has great experience in criminal law before his current job, or even before law school. I did. I had so much crim law experience that my spouse, who was then a successful criminal defense attorney, occasionally asked me for professional advice.

And maybe his legal experience has given him lots of inside contacts.

You know what’s wrong with Andrew C. Laufer, Esq.?

Only a total and complete asshole slaps their middle initial and “esquire” on everything they put their name on.

There is literally no reason to ever put “esquire” on anything except threatening letters to other people’s clients. And why does he feel the need for his initial? Conceit, that’s why. It’s certainly not to differentiate himself from all of the other Andrew Laufer, Esquires on Conspiracy Twitter.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
115. Ah, but the later post supercedes yours.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:59 PM
Oct 2017

In 2016, he said something nice about Mensch, by 2017, he realized she’s a rw troll.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
98. Papadopoulos reached a plea deal with prosecutors, and has since been cooperating .... since July!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:13 AM
Oct 2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/george-papadopolous-trump-russia-probe_us_59f7354be4b07fdc5fbfa210

WASHINGTON ― A foreign policy adviser to President Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has pleaded guilty to a charge of lying to FBI agents.

George Papadopoulos, 30, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5, 2017, but the case wasn’t unsealed until Monday, when two other Trump associates were indicted by a federal grand jury. Papadopoulos reached a plea deal with prosecutors, and has since been cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Prosecutors’ statement of the offense alleges Papadopoulos “made material false statements and material omissions” during a Jan. 27, 2017, interview with the FBI. He was arrested July 27. Prosecutors agreed to recommend between no prison time to six months under the plea agreement. ..................

wiggs

(7,812 posts)
111. Just saying: a certain blogger from England said in the spring that potential arrests were
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:26 PM
Oct 2017

being discussed with marshalls office and were imminent. We now know was at least one secret arrest in July. Three indictments are known at this point, with some reporting that four additional sealed indictments are possible. Total of seven suspected then. 'Dozens'...not too far off.

Trying to connect dots from whispers and smoke is not easy...but worthwhile as long as you don't get hung up with having to be precise.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
112. Geee, I wonder who that could have been?
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:31 PM
Oct 2017

The 'I told you so's' are going to be a lot of fun .... for both sides Just not for the MAGA other side.


grantcart

(53,061 posts)
117. I am with Nance on all of this
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:01 PM
Oct 2017

4 (which may not be related to Mueller) is dozens and dozens and billions for Louise.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
121. Lets look at Menschs track record on indictment claims so far...
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 06:13 AM
Nov 2017

The multiple times she had said there were indictments- wrong.

The one time there really were indictments- she didn’t break the story.

Her “special sources” are special all right...

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
123. Andy Borowitz is reporting Americans are upset we don't have an arrest a day.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 11:00 PM
Nov 2017

Finally something we can blame on Louise, creating high expectations ....

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