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Exclusive: Mueller Has Dozens of Sealed Indictments, Including On Donald TrumpCNN broke the news that Robert Mueller would be revealing the first charge, or charges, in the Trump Russia investigation in the last week of October. Their reporting did not specify which suspects would be charged first.
This article will attempt to summarize some of our reporting on evidence the Special Counsel has before him, and on existing sealed indictments. In a separate story, I will summarize which of my reports have been confirmed by the mainstream media. ................
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HipChick
(25,485 posts)MFM008
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Nothing to see here right?
Someone has need indicted
Mueller doesn't need Mensch or anyone else.
shanny
(6,709 posts)You can't infer that "they are all innocent" from somebody thinking Claude Taylor and Louise Mensch are trolls.
IMO Taylor and Mensch are trolls, almost nobody is innocent* and at most we will see one or two indictments tomorrow of "first rung" perps--I'm guessing Manafort and Flynn.
This is only the beginning.
*although many are clueless: the tRumps in particular are so totally unethical, and have gotten away with so much for so long, they probably think A) this is a totally unfair witch hunt; and B) they will get away with it again. Well, maybe Jared and Ivanka are smart enough or more likely have good enough lawyers to know they are in deep doo-doo. Those two have been mighty quiet of late.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)It diminishes the reputation and credibility of DU to post either of these two. Whether this particular story ends up being correct or not is not relevant; both of these sources have posted wildly exaggerated stories that have proven to be complete bullshit in the past.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Explosive allegations about Donald Trump made by online writers with large followings among Trump critics were based on bogus information from a hoaxer who falsely claimed to work in law enforcement.
New fake news dilemma: sites publish real scoops amid mess of false reports
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Claude Taylor tweeted fake details of criminal inquiries into Trump that were invented by a source whose claim to work for the New York attorney general was not checked, according to emails seen by the Guardian. The allegations were endorsed as authentic and retweeted by his co-writer Louise Mensch.
The sources false tips included an allegation, which has been aggressively circulated by Mensch and Taylor, that Trumps inactive fashion model agency is under investigation by New York authorities for possible sex trafficking.
The hoaxer, who fed the information to Taylor by email, said she acted out of frustration over the dissemination of fake news by Taylor and Mensch. Their false stories about Trump have included a claim that he was already being replaced as president by Senator Orrin Hatch in a process kept secret from the American public.
Taylor asked no questions to verify my identity, did no vetting whatsoever, sought no confirmation from a second source but instead asked leading questions to support his various theories, asking me to verify them, the source said in an email.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)He's never claimed to be perfect nor a reporter.that is one example...
Give me one for Mensch that's the topic.
And he isnt the only one doing so. On Wednesday morning, former Conservative member of Parliament-turned-blogger Louise Mensch, who is verified on the platform, took to Twitter to report the following: My sources say the death penalty, for espionage, being considered for @StevenKBannon. I am pro-life and take no pleasure in reporting this. Mensch, who officially severed ties earlier this year with News Corp, where she was the editor of conservative news site Heat Street, now runs a blog called Patribotics, a site consisting of Investigative journalism and analysis of the Russian hack on Americas election and related topics. Pro-America, pro-democracy, pro-NATO, pro-Russia, anti-Putin. The tweet about Steve Bannon, Trumps chief strategist in the White House, it almost goes without saying, isnt her first uncorroborated, conspiratorial musing on the platform. Mensch says she absolutely believes that Russian intelligence planted Hillary Clintons e-mails on Anthony Weiners laptop; that Russian President Vladimir Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed to allow for Bannon to ascend at Breitbart; and that a number of journalists, public figures, and Twitter users are Putinbots, Kremlin shills, or otherwise agents of Russia and Putin.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/twitter-verification-problem
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)delighted to hear it- that is an option for espionage isn't it?
shanny
(6,709 posts)Cherry pick much?
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)...is it?
shanny
(6,709 posts)the judge can instruct the jury to disregard everything else they say? Of course, somebody's blog isn't a court of law, and neither is this board, but I think we ought to have standards. And those two don't measure up.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Saying stuff we want to hear doesn't qualify as journalism or helpful.
FarPoint
(12,359 posts)The credibility here was lost or at least diminished over a year ago with the Primaries....but... that said...
I remain loyal....
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You should make an official list of approved sources. And then pretend the list is objective. And then pretend you understand both credibility and reputation.
As it stands, you're going backwards.
SCantiGOP
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And say that any source that has been shown in the past to be completely unreliable and making shit up just to troll for repostings should not be posted here as a legitimate news story.
Suggesting a list of approved sites, rather than a list of sites proven to be crap, is hardly a step in the right direction. Its just a distraction.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Now I know why the link was "hidden" to the "story" LOL-
I went to that crappy webpage. It is cool how they source themselves on each BLOCKBUSTER story LOL
But hey, if you "believe" in their awesome "journalism" click on that donate link! It ain't my money
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)This is an extremely unfair attack.
I have yet to see a site that doesn't have a donate button.
Imagine the horror of those that require a payment just to read their online site, via Subscription, or an offer that a donation will get a poster some sort of privilege over those who do not contribute.
TROLLING FOR PEOPLE'S MONEY IS AN UNFAIR ACCUSATION.
(just want to point that out)
I have seen postings here on DU from extremely biased sites.
Some were alerted on for that reason & the jury had no problem allowing it .
So who determines where that line is drawn?
Btw, Mensch has been correct more than not.
Her sourcing & findings have ACTUALLY been repeated on MSM, by credible news shows who come highly approved by DU posters.
I don't get why the slamming & vitrole for anyone who has made a point of sourcing & reporting the corrupt deeds of Trump/Putin & their global criminal enterprise.
Unless one actually reads Mensch & Patribotics, how would one know enough to so visciously dismiss what she has written?
It sounds more like a personal thing perhaps, with some, than a broadly credible reason for dismissing her work.
Don't read her reporting if you don't want to.
Its that simple.
There are postings I see who's sources I don't agree with completely, but I can refrain from attacking them, out of respect for the beliefs of the poster.
As long as they go after Trump corruption, I can keep an open mind.
Thanks
snooper2
(30,151 posts)And yes, they are douchebag trolls and they both will be called out every time...
They are either putting out disinformation on purpose (on Putin's dime)
Or, are preying on the gullible for donations so they get an easy pay day. Make shit up, tweet it, watch donations come in as people eat it up.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Why would anyone defend Trump against her reporting. Its freaking suspicious.
I do know RU trolls have gone after her to shut her sources down. They're the only ones who hate her.
Except for here on DU, & I would expect anyone who is dismissing her reporting simply is repeating some talking pts & has never actually read nor followed her work.
Oh yes, there Louise & her team have been the targets of RU trolls and have managed to expose their locations & troll accts. They don't want Team Patriot Louise to report on Putin' s US criminal coup either.
Read her work.
Otherwise, leave it alone.
She has outed RU troll attacks & her reporting on who they are is remarkable.
But then she also has an assists from those who work with our allies & 5Eyes countries around the world.
She doesn't rely on MSM for her news, but they have on occassion relied on her.
elfin
(6,262 posts)How keenly I remember "Fitzmas."
My own prediction - tomorrow will be anti-climactic, given our hopes. Manafort and Flynn both at the most with more than one charge for each. Hope I am wrong.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Trump is gonna be re-elected and then itll be his kids after him right
elfin
(6,262 posts)My cynicism does have its limits. However, the Orange Menace has routinely tested those limits in the past.
Keeping my expectations for tomorrow low so this pessimist is proved wrong -- at last.
The ONLY person in government I trust now is Mueller. And Al Franken.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Something involving Robert Novak ratting out Valerie Plame?
elfin
(6,262 posts)again, as this geezer recalls. Most of all, I remember being so SURE that Rove was going down via Patrick Fitzgerald and around Christmas week. However, don't remember which of so many bad behaviors was going to lead to "Turd Blossom's" comeuppance.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)- Truth, Justice and The American Way.
- Country over party.
- Make sure the whole Trump administration dies in jail if at all possible.
Some troll.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and to date, never been on any of their shows?..
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)that had actually been researched & sourced by Louise & Claude months earlier.
When contacted for credit, Reid & Nance refused to acknowlege the original source of the story.
I'd be a little pissed too, i guess, If I did the work & someone then claimed it as there own.
The story had been on Loiuse's blog patibotics.com for awhile when Reid & Nance claimed it as exclusive, with no creds to.the source.
I believe that's where the hard feelings come from & I get the ratings thing but why they would do this is kinda disappointing.
Also this isn't the first time its happened with MSM.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)though...
shanny
(6,709 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)5EYES US allies, & those outside the US.
If one hasn't read her Patribotic blog, then there is no validity to the comments against her or her Team.
you are late to the party: i've "reviewed" the blog as much as i need to
btw, "whose"
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)on MSNBC. Stephanie Rhule was the host:
(To be honest, I have stayed out of these twitter fights. Things have changed a LOT since this happened)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,314 posts)She is, of course, British. And a conservative. Who quit as an MP. And wrote fiction before the political interlude.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Was that Putin's idea?
This is just all so confusing .... I better turn on Fox News to rope the real dope .... NOPE!
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You know, the basement of a pizza place without a basement.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)None of the believable answers to that question are savory.
shanny
(6,709 posts)She's a Brit and a former Tory Member of Parliament.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)Brits can believe in justice too, right? And Tories can want to see Trump imprisoned, right?
How is being a Brit and an ex-MP disqualifying? Aside from the accusations giving her with some shade that makes it harder to see her message.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Foursquare behind Truth, Justice and the American Way! I'm totally sure she was indoctrinated with that, as we were.. ....oh, you left out the part about being a Tory MP. I trust them almost as much as I trust Lindsey Graham: a Never-Trumper* who still falls right in line.
Mensch is in it for the clicks. That's all.
* except of course he's coming around. Tax cuts are important, doncha know.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)applegrove
(118,642 posts)post hot air.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Man, they couldn't shove Trump down our throats fast enough. 24/7 actually!
So pardon people who look elsewhere, for their news.
Thanks anyway..
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Funny how neither of them had the inside line on the ACTUAL indictment after breathless predictions going back months on end.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And finally a MSM outlet confirms there are sealed indictments. And then people attack them for knowing the facts before everyone else. Go figure!
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shanny
(6,709 posts)had the inside scoop on sealed indictments months ago...before there were any? WTF?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)So, you are the one with the inside info about when the sealed indictments were handed down. We've all been looking for you.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Oh, and there's this:
https://www.snopes.com/sealed-indictment-president-trump/
you've clearly been looking for something, I'm not sure what it is.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)And neither does the announcement of a sealed indictment on Friday mean that there are "dozens" more, have been since May, and that they include tRump. That is a gargantuan leap of faith and those two don't merit any.
And they made this claim on May 13. Comey had only been fired 3 days before, Mueller wasn't appointed yet...but somehow, the FBI and the DoJ generally had enough solid evidence to get indictments. Riiiiiight. The investigation didn't even ramp up until then and it still took 6 months for the first indictment to be revealed.
Maybe you weren't around during Watergate. I was, and nothing--Nothing!--in an actual serious criminal/government investigation moves that fast. Even if you backdate to when the FBI start sniffing around the year before, they didn't have enough to act on (or surely Obama would have insisted, hmmm?)
No. This is fantasy. I don't do fantasy.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)And somebody is Nostradamus because they see indictments in the future?
I have many "sources" that Manafort will be indicted. Can I become a Twitter God if I turn out to be right?
lindysalsagal
(20,682 posts)Holy crap if she's right this time......HOLY CRAP
HipChick
(25,485 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)What are the odds? Oh yeah, 50%.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I thought you were done posting these two. LM is bad news, and CT just repeats whatever LM tweets. I really wanted this to be beyond a shadow of a doubt reputable.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)It is already Monday in Russia.
Its happening!
SweetieD
(1,660 posts)just makes stuff up.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)It's nothing but wild speculation that likely isn't true.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Check out who cried a river then. Where are they today?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512604434
BannonsLiver
(16,384 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)And then later--after being called out on the fact that FISA doesn't issue indictments, with or without the FBI--contradicted themselves on whether they ever said that?
https://www.snopes.com/sealed-indictment-president-trump/
Botany
(70,504 posts)Please!
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)M&T or DU, but never M&T and DU.
Am I close? I wouldn't want to step on any landmines here.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)In my humble opinion people that spread stuff like this have zero credibility.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)disgraceful.
UTUSN
(70,691 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,290 posts)make case against Trump in report to Congress for impeachment purposes.
.99center
(1,237 posts)*Mensch and Claude Taylor tweeted details of criminal inquires that didnt exist
*Hoaxer who fed information said she acted out of frustration over fake news
*Taylor issues mea culpa on Twitter after being approached by Guardian
Explosive allegations about Donald Trump made by online writers with large followings among Trump critics were based on bogus information from a hoaxer who falsely claimed to work in law enforcement.
Claude Taylor tweeted fake details of criminal inquiries into Trump that were invented by a source whose claim to work for the New York attorney general was not checked, according to emails seen by the Guardian. The allegations were endorsed as authentic and retweeted by his co-writer Louise Mensch.
The sources false tips included an allegation, which has been aggressively circulated by Mensch and Taylor, that Trumps inactive fashion model agency is under investigation by New York authorities for possible sex trafficking.
The hoaxer, who fed the information to Taylor by email, said she acted out of frustration over the dissemination of fake news by Taylor and Mensch. Their false stories about Trump have included a claim that he was already being replaced as president by Senator Orrin Hatch in a process kept secret from the American public.
I really don't believe this but I certainly hope it is true.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)I can't stand her. She's a disgusting propaganda pusher RW nutjob
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)...more power to her.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)And never pans out.
brooklynite
(94,541 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)sagesnow
(2,824 posts)MineralMan
(146,298 posts)Nonsense.
wiggs
(7,812 posts)the purported findings and conclusions and can make my own judgements. She neither has to be perfectly accurate or a media hound shoving out click-bait. Could be anywhere in between until shown differently.
It's just interesting supposition and dot-connecting that may or may not end up being accurate. Just like most of what we do on DU every day.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I've never heard of Patribotics, and as far as I know, it's not a legitimate news source. Any sealed indictment on Trump would have been the ultimate in secrets...as secret as a plan to go to war.
If this were true, the author would be in custody right now being questioned about her sources. It'd be considered a most serious crime to reveal such a thing involving the President.
But we'll see.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Mensch was a member of Parliament in England and her sources include British intelligence. That's why she has been a conduit of intelligence on the Steele dossier and other matters. The Brits are spying on Trump and friends all the time, as are other countries investigating his global criminal enterprises. Patribotics is her political blog. She is a leading conservative Never Trumper who collaborates across the political spectrum to investigate Trump.
You should know, it is possible to gain intelligence from outside the USA and report it, all neat and legal! We call it freedom of the press.
Trump calling it fake news is called freedom of speech, and stupid too, of course.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)So, no...this outfit isn't well known and has no cred, yet.
It's not a legitimate news organization, either. And the story doesn't even ring true. So, no, I don't believe it.
These are the sorts of stories that people want to believe, and I think that thwarts their common sense to rely on legitimate news sources. Researched and sourced, earned credibility over time. Following the journalism code of ethics. I read that one of these people has already done a story that turned out not to be true? In any case...I'll wait for NYT or WaPo reporters, or CNN investigative reporters, and such to report this. It COULD be true, but I don't believe it.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)She insisted arrests were imminent months ago, before Comey was fired. She is the epitome of fake news.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Interesting how her knowing in advance what we all now know and anxiously await tomorrow makes her knowledge "fake news" just before she is proven right!
Being a Never Trump advocate sure painted a big target on her, I understand that. But why do people just make up lies about her?
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BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Before Comey testified to congress that Trump had not been a target of the investigation? How does that possibly make any sense?
This is a perfect example of how the pizzagate story spread. Facts and logic are utterly irrelevant. All that matters is being told what one wants to believe, and Mensch is laughing all the way to the bank.
And you post that tweet like it's evidence of something other than a random person on Twitter agrees with you.
If Mensch is right, we'll see dozens of arrests this week. But then, Mensch is never right.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)CT & LM
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Some people do real grunt work, some people just bullshit on social media. And some just knock down the ones doing the real work. Kudos to Mensch, Taylor and others for presenting some real resistance. Where would we be if the Good Germans had their way and silenced the voices of opposition to Trump?
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)some people just bullshit on social media
Like Mensch and Taylor.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)Then realized it was Scoobies.
Its not even so much that mensch is right or wrong (many people could have said indictments were coming and theyd eventually probably happen), its the divisive behavior, the block lists of hundreds of thousands of resist members that team patriot follow, calling high profile people like dana boenta and preet bahara, BLM and I think even Ted Lieu Deza.
They take people into a rabbit hole, isolate them and scam them. They tell them no action is needed "its all under control, the indictments are coming". Its purely a distraction from things going on such as policies trump is passing under everyones nose.
Shes not on the left. She never will be. Shes got an agenda. Most of her buds are conservatives. Taylor is just tagging along for the grift to the tune of 50k plus already.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Hey, why not make it twelve!
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)brettdale
(12,381 posts)Got excited, but it's Claude Taylor and Lousie mensch.
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)I thought fake news was against TOS?
And don't tell me about some warrants three months ago. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Takket
(21,565 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)nocalflea
(1,387 posts)No Taylor ain't a grifter folks. Whether you believe Taylor on Trump/Russia, I find unimportant.
Sceptism is natural.Taylor has over 200,000 followers on twitter. They come for inside dope, but stay for an entirely different reason. Taylor has set the tone for his large community of followers. His tag line is "We will get through this together". This is about emotional support, about hope.
Check out his "Adopt a House Challenger" campaign on Twitter. This is twitter activism at it's best. It should be worth your while, that is if you want to flip the house.
https://mobile.twitter.com...
How he makes money off this campaign is a mystery to me. He is not collecting donations.
Clarity2
(1,009 posts)bots have more followers than Taylor. It doesn't mean anything.
Taylor has collected two gofundme accounts. One for the "car". One for a lawyer for a bogus lawsuit that never happened. Then he suddenly bought a shaggy van. The second fund was requested by him.
Before he got twitter fame, he said he wanted to "monetize" his twitter account.
Taylor has also lied and implied he "worked for 2 (or 3) WH administrations". Please, he worked in the volunteer office. Look it up. It's right on google on a .gov website. Neither Clinton follows him. That says a lot.
onenote
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Andrew C. Läufer has a two person law firm in midtown Manhattan. His firm specializes in the following areas:
Auto Accidents
Construction Accidents
Slip & Fall Accidents
Elevator Accidents
Labor Law
Civil Rights Law
Employment Law
Malpractice Law
Personal Injury
Wrongful Death
Wrongful Imprisonment
Police Brutality Cases
He has no criminal law chops, no DC connections. He's a flake. Yet some here cite him as a credible source. Face palm.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I concur with you (for whatever tiny amount thats worth), but for wholly other reasons.
Anyone who can afford the rent on a Midtown office cant be doing TOO badly at their job, right?
And his specialty and firm size might just indicate his entrepreneurial spirit. Besides which, Ive known (been acquainted with) a couple of small operations that made way more money than some of the giant mills do; it only takes one or two whales.
Maybe he has great experience in criminal law before his current job, or even before law school. I did. I had so much crim law experience that my spouse, who was then a successful criminal defense attorney, occasionally asked me for professional advice.
And maybe his legal experience has given him lots of inside contacts.
You know whats wrong with Andrew C. Laufer, Esq.?
Only a total and complete asshole slaps their middle initial and esquire on everything they put their name on.
There is literally no reason to ever put esquire on anything except threatening letters to other peoples clients. And why does he feel the need for his initial? Conceit, thats why. Its certainly not to differentiate himself from all of the other Andrew Laufer, Esquires on Conspiracy Twitter.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)demmiblue
(36,850 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)In 2016, he said something nice about Mensch, by 2017, he realized shes a rw troll.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)George Papadopoulos, 30, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5, 2017, but the case wasnt unsealed until Monday, when two other Trump associates were indicted by a federal grand jury. Papadopoulos reached a plea deal with prosecutors, and has since been cooperating with special counsel Robert Muellers probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Prosecutors statement of the offense alleges Papadopoulos made material false statements and material omissions during a Jan. 27, 2017, interview with the FBI. He was arrested July 27. Prosecutors agreed to recommend between no prison time to six months under the plea agreement. ..................
wiggs
(7,812 posts)being discussed with marshalls office and were imminent. We now know was at least one secret arrest in July. Three indictments are known at this point, with some reporting that four additional sealed indictments are possible. Total of seven suspected then. 'Dozens'...not too far off.
Trying to connect dots from whispers and smoke is not easy...but worthwhile as long as you don't get hung up with having to be precise.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The 'I told you so's' are going to be a lot of fun .... for both sides Just not for the MAGA other side.
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Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)Definition of mensch
:a person of integrity and honor
Blue Owl
(50,360 posts)Break that golden seal!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)4 (which may not be related to Mueller) is dozens and dozens and billions for Louise.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)The multiple times she had said there were indictments- wrong.
The one time there really were indictments- she didnt break the story.
Her special sources are special all right...
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Finally something we can blame on Louise, creating high expectations ....