Joy Reid says Trump voters really dont care about the economy: They just want him to crush us

[UCmeNdc]

MSNBC’s Joy Reid told XM Radio’s Dean Obeidallah on Saturday that “Trumpism” is a danger to America’s children and that his voters are running on resentment, not on “economic anxiety.”

“Trumpism is actually a thing — it’s making children more coarse and cruel to each other,” Reid said. “Its’s allowing kids to use racist slurs against each other in his name and use sexist slurs in his name.”

She continued, “His supporters don’t care that he is vulgar- they are actually glad that he is vulgar and crude.”

Nor do they care about the economy or “cuts to their 401K,” she said. “They just want him to crush us.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/joy-reid-says-trump-voters-really-dont-care-about-the-economy-they-just-want-him-to-crush-us/

[Madam45for2923]

1. Yeah thought so! Economic anxiety, LOL!

[burnbaby]

2. My 401k is going up

Can you be more specific

[Kolesar]

11. I had been putting $6000/year in, you will be limited to less than $3000/year

That is Trump's tax plan. You lose over three thousand in deductions or deferrals at least.

I have 401k funds whose earnings have not been taxed in twenty years. When I do use them, my tax rate will be 0 or 15%. This has allowed my earnings to compound.

So, the govt will have more revenue now. Trump will give up revenue by giving himself and other billionaires huge tax cuts.

[Lucky Luciano]

20. I put the full $18k in - quite bad if they do this. nt

[IronLionZion]

27. Limit on 401(k) Savings? Its About Paying for Tax Cuts

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/28/business/401k-limit-tax-cuts.html

To make up revenue for the enormous business tax cuts and lower rates for the wealthy, they plan to reduce 401K contributions so they can get that revenue from taxing the middle class.

It's very transparent, simple, shameless, and very regressive. It's amazing how many middle class Trumpsters actually believe they're getting a tax break. The lower income Trumpsters don't contribute to 401K anyway so they don't care.

[Kolesar]

32. You got the numbers right

"Republicans are reportedly considering capping annual 401(k) contributions at $2,400 on a pre-tax basis, much lower than the current maximum contribution of $18,000 for 2017..."

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tax-plan-401k-retirement-2017-10

I was thinking of IRAs and Roth IRAs that have a limit of $6300/year or so.

[maxrandb]

26. Have you thanked President Obama yet?

Dow at 7000 when he took office, close to 20000 when he left.

I'm guessing 85% of your 401k growth can be the "fault" of President Obama

[burnbaby]

37. No but

Next time he drops over I will

[Yavin4]

38. Actually, you should thank Janet Yellen and the Fed for keeping interest rates at 0 or near 0 for

almost ten years.

[Lucky Luciano]

41. Agreed...Janet and Ben spiked the punch bowl, but Obama helped too!

You know who didn't help? (I know you know)

The fucking worthless thugs in congress blocking the recovery to try to blame dems if it failed.

Bernanke pleaded with congress to help with tge recovery, but the Fed had to do it all with monetary stimulus since congress was dead set against fiscal stimulus.

[Yavin4]

42. True. Relying mostly on the Fed slowed down the pace of the recovery.

The economy need a bigger fiscal boost. However, when the economy slumps, the natural inclination of government is austerity instead of stimulus. Austerity is the biggest reason for Brexit.

[RhodeIslandOne]

35. Do you think that has much to do with Trump?

We are still seeing the residual good work and steady guidance of President Obama.

Hopefully, if the Trump administration remains completely incompetent at advancing their economy killing polices we might sustain this until next fall. Maybe.

[delisen]

3. I agree.

[ck4829]

4. As long as liberals, people darker or poorer than them, Muslims, etc. do worse than them...

We could be reduced to a feudal society and they wouldn't care.

Resist this. Join LIVKI Ops today.

[Kolesar]

12. GOPs have a hangup over anybody associated with the counterculture also ...eom

[modrepub]

16. Boonies

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Been through many rural areas in PA and it's filed with angry, poor, less educated people who think those upity bohemian city dwellers are getting free handouts (from their tax money). They fail to see that Trump promising to give them great jobs with stupendous benefits is any more of a hand out than what they think others are getting. Never mind most of the Trumpites couldn't pass a background check or drug tests to land some crap-ass retail job if their life depended on it.

While I'm at it, why do these same people criticize poor people with expensive cell phones but never say anything about rural poor who have gun collections worth thousands of $?!?

[Quemado]

22. +1

+1

[dottie66]

40. Yes, they have an unjustified sense of being wronged

by liberals. I doubt we're the reason their lives are sad.

[coolsandy]

5. Joy nails it again!

[barbtries]

6. then they're stupid enough

not to realize that they will be in the crusher too.

[RKP5637]

9. They are a cult following Trump. He could lead them to suicide, and they would happily follow!

[barbtries]

13. yes, i've recognized that

for a long time. this fact should be in the news. the fact of his dangerous mental illness should be on the news. it's so distressing that day in and day out this all is on display for anyone with eyes to see and it doesn't get reported on.

[GeoWilliam750]

18. Ever has it been thus

In the last century alone, hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people have died in quarrels between their "betters" whom they never even ever met.

For millennia, people have happily died for no real hope of any benefit.

[barbtries]

23. sigh.

it's so true. i'm a little pollyanna and keep thinking we should be better by now.

[dalton99a]

7. The cult is willing to suffer for MAGA as long as Trump makes the nonwhites suffer more

[treestar]

8. This is true

I've run across that sentiment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Deplorables would let Trump poop down their mouths if liberals had to smell it.

[dalton99a]

19. Exactly.

[Amimnoch]

14. I've been saying this since March.

It's not about issues at all. It's about revenge. The only thing Donnie could do to piss off his base is do something that we agree with, Obama supports and endorses, or something Hillary supports and endorses.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8759511

As long as he keeps doing things to piss us off..
He'll be able to do no wrong in their eyes.

You use rational argument. That will not work here. If it did, he'd have NEVER been elected.

There is ONLY one thing that would get his brownshirts to turn on him.. Them thinking that we love and support him, or at the very least no longer hate him.

This whole Rump thing isn't about them putting in someone they actually think will "make America great again". Not a damn thing to do with it. The more the media pointed out his flaws, the more us "snowflakes" spoke out against him, the more they supported him.

It has absolutely nothing to do with #45, it's all about revenge on the left for having "forced Obama" onto them for 8 years, and now it's time for revenge.

I see evidence of this every single day on social media, and in the comments sections of news articles. Almost nobody defends anything #45 does, it's always "well Obama did", or "well Hillary did", or "suck it up snowflake", or "go crawl back to your safe place"..

The ONLY real appeal Trump has to them is that his actions piss us off. They don't stop for one fucking second to realize that the same shit we're pissed off about screws them over as well. That doesn't matter, as long as it pisses us "pansy liberals" off.

[Cosmocat]

15. I have said/posted since before the actual election - his a big middle finger

to us ...

They have effectively been brainwashed so well that they have no concern for their own best interests, much less the best interests of the country at large.

They know one thing and one thing only - liberals suck bigly.

That is all the republican party knows now, it is all they stand for, honestly, outside of fellatiating their masters.

Screw the liberals.

[vlyons]

17. It is the fruit of hatred

In Buddhism, we say that hatred makes you stupid. Hatred is a form of ignorance and delusion. The GOP and Fox News has long used hate-mongering and fear-mongering to achieve political advantage. Dividing Americans into "us" and "not us." That so m any Americans fall for this and have such extreme ill will in their hearts depresses me, because there is not much that we can do to them. They take delight is seeings others hurt and suffer. Truly Trumpsters are neo-nazis and don't even recognize it.

The only thing true about Trumpsters is their hatred for gov. But our gov has been deeply and widely corrupted with corporate lobbying money. But Trumpsters are so deluded that they care not just how much Trump has given over the gov to even more far reaching corporate greedy monied interests.

[NewJeffCT]

21. I think some of them are definitely like this

I've heard it from a few of them over the past year or two - They expect Trump to screw them over, since they've been getting screwed over by politicians their entire lives. However, as long as he screws the other guys over worse, they'll be okay with it.

[Lil Missy]

24. Exactly what I've been thinking.

[TalenaGor]

25. she's right

I recently had a discussion on quora about this....bottom line result was...they truely don't care about anything but angering liberals.....we are the #1 enemy....

[KPN]

28. Joy is partly right and partly wrong about this.

I appreciate, understand and frequently harbor her feelings about Trump supporters myself.

But reducing the entire phenomena of Trump's election and presidency to hate is overly simplistic. Discounting "economic anxiety" as a root cause is a mistake and will bode poorly for the Democratic Party if we do not recognize its role.

It is easy to discount economic anxiety on the basis of popular vote/electoral college, Comey, Russia collusion, white supremacists/racism/misogyny/xenophobia, voter suppression, etc., etc. Afterall, they entail either hatred, cheating or criminal activity/treason.

But what's to stop the GOP, its big money donors and candidates from doing whatever it takes to win once again -- Nixon, Reagan, GW, Trump. We need every vote we can get. Discounting any potential vote for the Democratic Party is a mistake. Discounting the reality of an economy that more and more serves the few at a cost to the many would be a huge mistake.

Joy's right about "they want to crush us" -- they do want to crush us. But only in so far as they are bigoted or just plain stupid (Fox/right-wing talking heads informed) Trump supporters, the GOP, or its big money donors. There are plenty of "they" in terms of people who voted for Trump who don't belong in those categories. Most of those are folks who fall in the "economic anxiety" or just plain sick of "business as usual", "what have you done for me lately? (not much)" Washington politics.

Discounting them would be stupid. Lets make sure we're clear about who "they" is.

[bettyellen]

29. Hilary won the segment w economic anxiety. "They do want to crush us... BUT"

It's only the women and POC whose lives they want to ruin.

Fixed it for you.

[KPN]

31. No you didn't.

You modified to meet your view of the world. They definitely want to crush women and POC, but also liberals/progressives generally -- and that's basically driven by greed or propaganda depending on who "they" are.

You have you view and opinion. I have mine. Hillary may have won that segment, but not enough of them to overcome everything else. There were plenty we should have won -- but didn't because we haven't passed the "what have you done for me lately" economic test. There is sufficient data to show this, and data to show that not all of these people are Trump supporters or will be in the future. I definitely think the Democratic Party needs to do a better job of inspiring the working class to vote for and support them. Lambasting bigots is not a fail-safe message for winning elections as we recently saw.

[bettyellen]

34. Where's this "data"?

[KPN]

43. Oh come on. Must we play games?

There's been plenty of information including data about how different demographic groups voted by State, region and nationally posted right here at DU.

I don't have an issue with defending ourselves (our party) when it comes to comparisons with the GOP/other parties. But when I see and hear denial of facts that affect the overall success of our party, and broadly of middle and working class people economically, then I do.

I made an observation that I genuinely and in good faith believe is right -- that many, including some very influential personas within our party have or turn a blind eye to -- and I get hit with a snide remark like "I fixed it for you" followed by gamesmanship.

Sorry for intruding on people's happy space, but this stuff is important to our party and our nation in my view and I'm therefore sometimes going to take opportunities that present themselves to present my good faith perspective.

]I'll let you have the last word here.

[bettyellen]

45. The data I saw refutes your supposition. So yeah, show it if you hit it.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Occam's Razor. nt

[Progressive dog]

30. Joy dared to tell the truth.

She should be rewarded by viewership from those who agree with her.

[TNLib]

33. Trumpism isn't an ideology

It's a mental disorder!!

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. Trump voters are not an army of clones. That's the danger is this type of analysis

Yes I think Joy has her finger on a pulse here. The sentiments she describes does run through Trump voter circles, but not uniformly, and not in all cases. Just most.

Why does that matter? Because politics in America swings based on shifts in the votes of relatively small percentages of voters. There has always been a "No Nothing" bloc in American politics, but that bloc preexists Trump literally by centuries. And sure that bloc ebbs and flows somewhat based on changing circumstances over the years. But it rarely if ever is big enough to provide national electoral majorities to a Presidential candidate by itself unless their votes are joined by other, often smaller groups of voters, who ultimately back the same candidate, but for a different set of reasons or priorities.

There will always be haters, just like there will always be people who think Africa is a country not a continent and others who think that men landing on the moon was faked inside a studio. They are out there, and Trump owns most of them, and probably most of those who support Trump have "membership" in those groups.

That is not the point. They have always been beyond our reach - no one is urging reaching out to them. It's the 20 to 30% of Trump voters who don't fall into that profile who ultimately can make or break a candidate like Trump moving forward. And, yes, some of THEM are moved by "economic anxiety".

[Orrex]

44. She's too polite to call them idiot racist fuckheads