McCain: "theres no Miranda rights for somebody who kills Americans"

[muriel_volestrangler]

Yes, that's right, McCain has just declared himself the only arbiter of the Constitution, and has overturned all of American jurisprudence for the crime of murder - but only if the victim is an American, for some reason.

Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham joined Trump's call Wednesday to send Saipov to Gitmo.

“Take him to Guantanamo. He’s a terrorist and he should be kept there. And there’s no Miranda rights for somebody who kills Americans,” McCain told reporters at the U.S. Capitol.

In a joint statement with Graham, McCain said Saipov “should not be read Miranda rights, as enemy combatants are not entitled to them.”

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/01/donald-trump-john-mccain-say-new-york-terror-suspect-should-be-sent-to-gitmo/

In this particular case, he's also convicted the guy of the crime before any trial, so that he can then declare him an enemy combatant and deny him the civilian trial for a civilian accused of murdering civilians.

Finally, we should note that of the 8 killed, 5 were Argentinian, 1 Belgian, and 2 American. If the 2 Americans had lived, would the guy suddenly have got his Miranda rights back?

[DetlefK]

1. I thought, being read the Miranda-rights was canceled a few years ago???

[Raster]

13. completely contingent on skin color.

[underpants]

2. ✋.......👎

McCain's own style

[Croney]

3. But Americans kill Americans every day.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Exactly.

[paleotn]

17. Yep.

[still_one]

26. I wonder how many the obvious slipped by

[janterry]

4. Because that will stop terrorism?

This is so stupid. This is just being vindictive. I get the impulse. But our objective is to remain true to our values AND stop terrorism. This accomplishes neither.

[global1]

5. Ok McCain - Then There Should Be No Miranda Rights For People That Commit Treason....

you know - like colluding with Russians. They should be sent to Gitmo too.

[SeattlePop]

30. Bingo

You win.

[Solly Mack]

6. I don't have a high opinion of any of the three (McCain, Graham, Trump)

and their remarks neither shock nor surprise me.

They do disgust me but then all three have disgusted me for years.

Trump was that freak show I was always glad wasn't the problem of everyone. Oh, for those days again. The freak show has gone nationwide to the detriment of all.

Graham and McCain are both pieces of shit.

[malaise]

7. When you declare war against the rest of the planet and feel

you have the right to send your military any and everywhere, you'd better be careful about human rights and conventions.
They are all fascists and imperialists. Apparently only Americans have rights - everyone else can be slaughtered and called collateral damage.

Now sit back and watch the protocol violations as Groper Don the Con bullies his way across Asia. Fuck them all.

[Pachamama]

9. Whoa.....

Maybe the Argentinians should be asked, since they lost 5 citizens.....


I am speechless....

[dem4decades]

10. He might be right in a way.

My understanding is in a situation like that occurred in NY, the terrorist can be questioned without Miranda rights for the purposes of establishing if there are others working with them that put the public in immediate danger.

This information is used to protect the public and cannot be used in a trial against them.

I could be wrong but I thought I heard this reported.

[Thor_MN]

11. Well, see, he used a truck, and he was muslim...

If he had only used guns and was Xtian... well, then it would simply be too soon to talk about it.

Note for mass murderers, claim to be Xtain (you don't have to follow any rules, just say you are), use firearms and you won't be labelled a terrorist. The NRA will work for you to minimize what you did.

[47of74]

28. And be white

[Vinca]

12. I'm sure the killers of thousands upon thousands of Americans because of gun violence will be happy

for the break. Terrorists bad, white shooters good.

[avebury]

19. McCain's statement is very broad and I think that you could

make an argument that it includes Americans killing Americans which opens a whole can of worms they really don't want to address. People who want reasonable changes in gun laws should take McCain's statement and run with it. Bring on the T word (terrorism) to mass shootings. The NRA could now be labeled an organization that supports Terrorism. Legislators who provide cover for the NRA and gun rights now become supporters of terrorism. Hang that T word right around their necks.

It has the possibility of making things very interesting.

[Girard442]

14. Yeah, rights should only be for people who are *not* suspects.

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They're bad guys. Let's just gun them down on the spot.

Freedom!

[bucolic_frolic]

15. Um

I think the North Vietnamese felt the same way?

So denying civil rights is not very American. We have to be what we are, and do what we do, as an example to the world.

[avebury]

16. Based upon McCain's statement, anybody

who kills an American should be sent to Gitmo This would include the driver who killed Heather Heyer in Charlottesville who could now be deemed a terrorist.

McCain's comment is absurd but I would sure like to see someone take it and turn it on the White Supremacists and people who commit mass shootings. Under McCain's broad statement that would classify people who commit mass murder via guns (too numerous to cite) as terrorists and off to Gitmo they should go (if they live long enough). One could make an argument that the NRA is an organization that supports terrorism as they value the unfettered right to own as many guns with ungodly ammo clips over the safety of American citizens. Talk about slippery slopes the right wing nuts really don't want to go up.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. Which is why I'm so glad Dylan Roof was sent to that black site in Moldova......

oh wait....... Never mind.

[gordianot]

22. Dylan got his mandatory hamburger once arrested.

[justhanginon]

20. It would be of tremendous help if the three stooges

McCain, Graham and trump, since they are in positions of public trust, at least try to engage their brains before opening their mouths.

[Mr. Ected]

21. No Miranda rights for Republican Senators that accept Russian oligarch's campaign contributions

Perp walk them straight to Gitmo, where they can languish for eternity, as far as I'm concerned.

[spanone]

23. we are a rogue nation. out of fucking control.

[caballojm]

24. Robert E. Lee killed tens of thousands of Americans.

And yet they worship the guy and build statues of that traitor.

[FailureToCommunicate]

25. +1

[brooklynite]

27. The Boston bombers were arrested by civil authorities, given their rights, tried and convicted...

[struggle4progress]

29. We obviously need a constitutional amendment! Maybe McCain could propose this:

Whenever two or more bicyclists or pedestrians, who are English-speaking natural-born citizens of the United States, and whose original long-form birth certificates can be found on the internet, are fatally injured in a collision with one and the same motor vehicle, the driver of the vehicle shall be declared an enemy combatant, shall be found guilty by a military tribunal consisting solely of the President of the United States, or by whatever other method the President may choose, and shall be detained until such time as Congress shall declare that the war is over or until the President shall tweet otherwise; moreover, Congress shall have the power to hold press conferences.

[eppur_se_muova]

31. Gitmo "courts" have yet to convict anyone.

All convictions for terrorist attacks in US have been made in regular Federal courts. Rachel opened her show last night with this. The "judge" at Gitmo has jailed the General in command of the prosecutors, after the prosecutors refused to meet with defendants because they felt their attorney-client priviliges were being violated. They are not allowed to discuss this -- even the nature of their objections is classified.

[GoCubsGo]

32. So, I guess the guy who killed those Americans at the Colorado Walmart last night

lost his Miranda rights, too? Oh. Wait. He's a white guy, and likely not a Muslim.

[PubliusEnigma]

33. I would wager that every American that gets killed is American. So, no Miranda?

[Initech]

34. And yet 60 people were killed and 500 injured in Vegas. Nothing.

Nada. Zilch. Instead the families of the victims get death threats and assholes are making the stupid guns = cars comparison. And not a damn thing has been accomplished as far as gun control goes.

Sorry guys, I'll take your threat seriously when you start taking us seriously.

[Nitram]

35. What a stupid thing to say. What about when an American kills an american?

McCain is senile. Time to hang it up.

[treestar]

36. Yes there is

Any crime committed in the US.

They don't get it. The Founders thought these were human rights bestowed by the Creator, not privileges of being American. They abhorred privileges based on birth or status, i.e., royalty.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

37. Do Miranda Rights prevent somebody from being prosecuted or something?

The way Republicans talk about basic Miranda rights, you'd think that scores of obviously guilty criminals are getting off scot-free because of them (which obviously isn't happening). We've been prosecuting terrorists, Muslim-born or otherwise, for decades now without any problems. We've housed terrorists in Federal Prisons here in the US for decades now without any problems. How did 9/11 change anything so dramatically that we have to offshore terror suspects and deprive them of due process?

[el_bryanto]

38. Thats an odd statement; I guess you can parse out what he means but . . .

What's funny about law and order types is how little they really want law and order.

Bryant

[kacekwl]

39. Boy these guys need to take out

their pocket constitution and study. Study hard .