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UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 12:53 PM Nov 2017

Dear Donna: Thanks for the years of defeatism, poor leadership, and now overt opposition.

All these years since Coup 2000, I've watched Ms BRAZILE being a weak spokesperson for our Democratic nominees and party.

But with all the disappointment of all these years and now even worse turmoil we have been going through, seeing her excerpt from her book ripping us to shreds was not one slap of the face but a pummeling of us.

I won't sling petty insults at her along the lines of "books sales" or "auditioning for Fox News" but will say about her allegations against the Democratic nominee: 1) Why wouldn't the projected nominee of the Party exert control, but even further, 2) How about having primaries absolutely restricted to COMMITTED PARTISANS OF THE PARTY, and anybody else go run in a Third Party?!

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Dear Donna: Thanks for the years of defeatism, poor leadership, and now overt opposition. (Original Post) UTUSN Nov 2017 OP
Yep. The D spokesperson the Rs love. stopbush Nov 2017 #1
I agree 100% with what you wrote. CatMor Nov 2017 #2
Miss Namby Pamby Me. Nov 2017 #3
I don't mind slinging petty insults NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #4
I read this and laughed. LisaM Nov 2017 #5
Well said! N/T ploppy Nov 2017 #6
Didn't Brazile recently get appointed by Perez to the Dem Party Rules Committee? jalan48 Nov 2017 #7
Wasn't she Al Gore's Campaign manager? lynintenn Nov 2017 #8
It is funny to see people promote her as the gospel Blue_Tires Nov 2017 #9
How quickly you forget the Nader-hatred. appal_jack Nov 2017 #10
Nader and Jill Stein deserve all the enmity they get. Nader chose to do most of pnwmom Nov 2017 #13
Well, that's what happens with third parties. appal_jack Nov 2017 #16
The Democratic label is fully Progressive enough for me, tyvm. & as for blaming Independent NADIR, UTUSN Nov 2017 #15
Nader only runs for President and nothing else lunatica Nov 2017 #23
My problem with Nader, as well. maddiemom Nov 2017 #25
Your local politician reminds me of Trump in many ways lunatica Nov 2017 #26
She always reminded my of that dude that used to be on with Hannity. Colmes(?) nt LexVegas Nov 2017 #11
Dear Donna: didn't you get a big enough retirement package? n/t pnwmom Nov 2017 #12
Amen! leftofcool Nov 2017 #14
Apparently reporters and @donnabrazile dont follow the news. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #17
I agree especially with your latter point. LiberalFighter Nov 2017 #18
Absolutely. Nitram Nov 2017 #19
Please don't forget - when the move was made by the DNC to replace bullwinkle428 Nov 2017 #20
Brazille True Blue American Nov 2017 #21
Excellent pun and absolutely appropriate. comradebillyboy Nov 2017 #28
i agree...established DEMS only- with a long history of... samnsara Nov 2017 #22
She's been a major disappointment for years lunatica Nov 2017 #24
Not one bit feasible to limit primary voting to registered Dems. Many states don't register parties. Zen Democrat Nov 2017 #27
book sale is not a petty insult Skittles Nov 2017 #29
why the fuck do you want a third party run so bad...do you have any idea how badly that would screw JCanete Nov 2017 #30

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
4. I don't mind slinging petty insults
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 01:00 PM
Nov 2017

especially like "auditioning for Fox News." Hannity will interview her. Her purple prose will be a perfect fit.

Otherwise, I agree 100%.

lynintenn

(645 posts)
8. Wasn't she Al Gore's Campaign manager?
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 01:18 PM
Nov 2017

And we know how that turned out. I think Miss Donna should disappear from politics like she did from CNN. Damn Bernie was not even a Democrat and I think he contributed to Hillary's loss. I truly hope he is not considering another run.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
10. How quickly you forget the Nader-hatred.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:31 PM
Nov 2017

"anybody else go run in a Third Party?!"

Welcome to a permanent Democratic minority then.

The Democratic Party needs the time, effort, volunteer hours, donations, and passion of committed progressives. Yet they steadfastly refuse progressives' ideas, hopes, commitment to justice, and initiatives.

When Nader ran in 2000 as an independent, everything was his fault, because clearly Gore/Loserman had ironclad title to every voter to the left of Genghis Khan.



-app

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
13. Nader and Jill Stein deserve all the enmity they get. Nader chose to do most of
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:39 PM
Nov 2017

his campaigning in the swing states, where votes were the most crucial. His 95,000 votes in Florida handed the electoral college to George Bush.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
16. Well, that's what happens with third parties.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:43 PM
Nov 2017

Third parties do their own thing, even when the Democratic Party wishes they would do otherwise.

So maybe the OP needs to reconsider before encouraging more third party runs? I myself would prefer that progressive ideas (and the candidates who push them) such as universal healthcare, union rights, an end to the War on Drugs, and fair trade all get a fair shake within the Democratic Party

-app

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
15. The Democratic label is fully Progressive enough for me, tyvm. & as for blaming Independent NADIR,
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:41 PM
Nov 2017

if somebody is not running IN the party they are, on the face of things, running against it.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. Nader only runs for President and nothing else
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:34 PM
Nov 2017

He never worked his way into politics but felt he was entitled to run for President. He knew he would split the Democrats and didn't care because he had something or other to say.

Then, both times that he ran for President and lost (what a surprise!) he just sank into obscurity again. He even stopped being a consumer advocate.

I don't think he had any respect for us at all. Maybe even less than someone like Trump has.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
25. My problem with Nader, as well.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 04:25 PM
Nov 2017

Don't even get me started with Jill Stein, although I think she did run for other offices a time or two. Hopefully Trump will cure this idea that you don't need any experience in the government to make a good POTUS. Even serving a few terms on the state level, where more easily elected for experience in government and name recognition would help. A local young man now gaining recognition on our state level is perfect example of someone who has always just. wanted political office, period. He wanted to jump right in at the top level from this area and first courted the Democrats, who told him to start with a lower level office. The Republicans made him more welcome, so he switched parties. Along the way he's done everything right politically, including acquiring the picture perfect young politician's family. It doesn't seem to matter that he's accomplished very little in terms of legislation nor ever had a "real job," isn't even an attorney He does know all the right Republicans and keeps himself in the public eye publicity-wise. At least he DOES have experience in government, if not governing. I'm always reminded of a local Paul Ryan. Is someone like this preferable to a Trump-like novice? I honestly no longer know.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
26. Your local politician reminds me of Trump in many ways
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 04:30 PM
Nov 2017

From switching parties to developing a high profile based on nothing to being "all hat and no cattle".

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
18. I agree especially with your latter point.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 02:54 PM
Nov 2017

The DNC rules should require that any nominee must be a Democrat to receive delegates. That would do the end round with primary laws in each state. The state can enact laws that allow just about anyone to be a nominee on the primary ballot. But with the DNC rule they would not get any delegates. Without delegates they don't make it to the National Convention.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
20. Please don't forget - when the move was made by the DNC to replace
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:10 PM
Nov 2017

DWS with her, there were more than a few of us here at DU who essentially stated, "THIS is an IMPROVEMENT??"

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
21. Brazille
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 03:19 PM
Nov 2017

Both Brazille and DWS were responsible for the DNC and losing.

Terry McAulliffe and Howard Dean ran a tight ship, remember Donna had to take over when DWS left.

But Donna has always been a prima Donna. Pun there,sorry.

I have watched her for years. She gets no sympathy now,after all the losing..

We honestly need to clean house. Perez is a Bernie bootlicker.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
27. Not one bit feasible to limit primary voting to registered Dems. Many states don't register parties.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 04:40 PM
Nov 2017

Last time I looked, they were:

Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Georgia
Hawaii
Indiana
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
North Dakota
Ohio
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Wisconsin

The trend is to OPEN primaries not close them. I've lived in Texas all my life and there is NO voter registration by party and never has been. In a primary you can vote in the Dem or Rep., but your registration card is stamped and you have to vote in that party for any run-offs.

Parties are becoming a thing of the past. The Republican Party is already gone. It's now the Trump Party and when he implodes, so will that party.

I think that non-partisan elections are the way to go, as in California. It's infinitely more fair.


 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
30. why the fuck do you want a third party run so bad...do you have any idea how badly that would screw
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 04:53 AM
Nov 2017

us if it were even partially succesful? That makes no goddamn sense. The responsible way to run is within the primary, WHEN that is an option. You want to take away that option? Fucking crazy.
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