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(21,564 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Start taking concrete steps to change our violent gun culture.
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Lysistrata ???
lunasun
(21,646 posts)in Illinois a liberal majority and a bill failed here last month to ban bump stocks because they are too ingrained and already owned I guess. Nobody wants to lose already legal gunz and gun parts.
The legislation will have to be very specific .
I for one don't know but dealing with majority dems may help but in the Illinois defeat it was both parties rejecting the bill
SPRINGFIELD Legislation to ban bump stocks and other devices that allow guns to fire more rapidly was rejected by the Illinois House on Thursday, as opponents from both parties contended the measure was too broad and could turn legal gun owners into criminals.Oct 27, 2017
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)take. And putting pressure on congress has not worked.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)voters, constituients too. NRA money is involved to reps, but also the money they spend to market to buyers, they have changed the hearts and minds of many with the paranoid propaganda they push and making it a recreational sport for families and teaching kids to wear it as a badge of honor.
Big F'ng mess. I would start with 2018 because federal laws may be easier with dems but again I give the example of my dem home state last month. Not enough are against the big guns that have little to do with squirrel or deer hunting it seems.
They will tell you a cross bow is as dangerous as bump stock add ons blah blah you could get shot in Chicago with a hand gun blah blah car deaths higher , it's a great recreational sport for all the family . Many voices.
If we start with the larger capacity mass killing machines you would think some would be able to scale down to smaller weapons but I don't know.
Disappointed in the bill failing here becuase how would it ever go anywhere in a country that is more conservative as a whole than this state?
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)don't have a 2A to deal with in the courts
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/australia-gun-control/541710/
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)And our founding fathers did not mean for 6 yr olds to be mowed down
with a machine gun while going to school.
So are we a nation of idiots or what? Whole sale slaughter of innocents
because of an antiquated amendment.
I know you are not being snarky. I hope I am not coming across that way.
I am just mad.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)I still have hope but that bill failing here and the excuses I heard while the debate went on in the state just gave me a reality check on how many are against gun control of even bump stock add ons . I thought we would be the state to lead on that
I have no real answrs and posters pointed out that changing congress to more dems 2018, like I suggested , may not do what seems like what should be thier patriotic duty to me.
SC could overturn what they interpret as unconstitutional law I believe also
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)to deal with the problem.
Crunchy Frog
(26,581 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Something is really wrong with this country.
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Like Eisenhower did with the Germans.
billh58
(6,635 posts)are endorsed by the NRA/ILA -- Republicans AND Democrats. Vote for non-NRA Democrats to replace Republicans, and primary NRA endorsed Democrats with non-NRA Democrats.
Then we will be able to address the gun violence epidemic in this country with sensible gun control measures that are within the traditional boundaries (not the NRA/ILA/ALEC/GOA defined boundaries) of the Second Amendment.
We desperately need to get rid of the public carry of lethal weapons except for LEOs and demonstrated need, stand-your-ground vigilante laws, and demand national and local background checks for ALL gun purchases and transfers for any reason. We need a national gun registry in order to track all guns from factory to scrap heap.
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Non NRA politicians. And anend to WMD in the hands of civilians.
lastlib
(23,224 posts)f you're a human being with a whit of compassion for your fellow man (that rules out NRA members and republigans), you've probably said (or at least thought), "Please, God, this has to STOP!"
What are we going to do about it?
We can wring our hands and wail and gnash our teeth and rend our garments, as we've been doing, but remember: if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got--which is nothing. We can write letters to our Congress-critters, but the responsive ones are too few and far between; the rest, as Jimmy Kimmel said, have their balls in a money clip owned by the NRA. And even if we got something through Congress, we'd never get it across the AnusMouth's desk. Even if we miraculously got the pResiDunce's signature on a law, I seriously doubt that a Supreme Court owned by RobertsAlitoThomasGorsuck would uphold it.
So what does that leave us? I'm led to believe that we need new strategy, new tactics, like some groups on the other side have employed. (No, I'm not going to advocate assassinating gun company executives, like anti-abortion fanatics do (see George Tiller), tempting though it might be
.). But maybe there are some stratagems from the dark side that might get the attention of the media and make the lives of our hoplosexual (gun-humper--"one who enjoys sex with weapons" ) crowd a little more difficult. Changing the vocabulary, a favorite repuglikan tactic is one way. I no longer call these toys "assault weapons," because that doesn't necessarily form a bad image in the reptilian minds of the NRA fan-club; I call them "industrial-strength killing machines," a term that magnifies their most evil property. But we need to go further.
Have we ever staged a rally at a gun factory to remind them that real people die because of their product, or at the very least, divert their attention from their production and their profits? If we haven't, maybe it's time we started doing it. Block their shipments in and out, make it a bit more difficult to move their arsenals of death. Make them feel some of the pain that the rest of us feel (if they are capable of feeling pain). Have we ever stopped a customer from walking into a gun shop, screaming in his face that he is a murderer? In the civil-rights movement, we sat at lunch counters to protest segregation. Why can't we sit-in at gun-store counters to protest their murders?
Here's another thing. Walk into any Walgreen's pharmacy/store, or CVS, or local supermarket, go to the magazine rack (where they sell publications, not the one with bullet-holder add-ons
). Count the number of gun-related publications they sell. I would almost bet they outnumber every other type of pubs, except horoscopes and celebrity-worship rags. Why do we tolerate this? Why aren't we hammering these stores to get rid of these rags??
I'm not joined at the hip to these specific tactics (though I do think we need to work hard at getting the gun-porn publications off of the shelves), but I do want to encourage the anti-death-by-gun forces to think "outside the tesseract" about new tactics--because, quite simply, the old tactics have gotten us nowhere. We need to find new levers to move public opinion more toward making the gun culture anathema to civilized human beings. We cannot keep going on as we have been. As I wrote earlier, if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got--and all we've gotten is: murdered.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/126212589
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)Congress will do nothing to help us.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)is in charge of a terrorist organization the NRA!!
lastlib
(23,224 posts)N.R.A.: "Noxious Rifle Addicts"
That is my President.
mcar
(42,309 posts)ffr
(22,669 posts)This is tRump's Era and that of all things KGOP/Republican everything.
Let this be their show. Let this be their stain in the history books. We're all suffering.
Irish_Dem
(47,030 posts)"Pray for wisdom to come up with concrete steps".
I keep posting my ideas to stop gun violence, and am asking others to post theirs as well.