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President Obama re: TX (Original Post) kpete Nov 2017 OP
IT IS TOO SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Takket Nov 2017 #1
Let's start making a list of what we can do to stop the violence, big or small steps. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #2
I'll start. Picketing gun shops like they picket abortion clinics. ??? Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #3
Some sort of national strike? Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #4
Change congress 2018 and put pressure on our party reps.? I don't know what can change . I am lunasun Nov 2017 #8
Our leadership has failed us totally. Obama says to think of concrete steps we can Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #9
We need to vote for Democrats who support gun control and put them in office. yardwork Nov 2017 #12
And then insist they deliver. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #13
I have no problem with 'could turn legal gun owners into criminals' GoneOffShore Nov 2017 #17
YES. Owning a machine gun, or any kind of WMD should be a crime. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #19
It's a big F'ng mess cuz so many have legal Weapons of mass destruction and like it and they are lunasun Nov 2017 #21
There has to be an answer, other countries don't let this happen. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #23
Well a lot never started. Not trying to be snarky . Look at how Australia restricted but they lunasun Nov 2017 #24
So a document written 200 yrs ago is causing carnage in our country. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #25
We all are angry and thank you for throwing out here some thoughts on ways to try and stop it lunasun Nov 2017 #26
I am cynical too. Doubt our leadership can do anything. It is up to the people Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #27
Other countries aren't bat shit crazy. n/t Crunchy Frog Nov 2017 #28
America is either insane or stupid, or both. To let our citizens be slaughtered like this. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #29
Make all Americans view the carnage via pictures and video. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #10
Replace all politcians who billh58 Nov 2017 #14
Excellent, yes! Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #15
From a post of mine post-Vegas: lastlib Nov 2017 #18
Excellent, my thoughts exactly. Time to think outside the box and take some action. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #20
Wayne La Pierre bdamomma Nov 2017 #5
Correct spelling: "Wayne LaPeeError" lastlib Nov 2017 #22
Yes yes C_U_L8R Nov 2017 #6
That's a prayer I can get behind mcar Nov 2017 #7
I think America's leaders, Obama and Hillary, shouldn't offer their wise words ffr Nov 2017 #11
They can't help it. They are born leaders. Obama's words had a big impact on me. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #16
I miss having a real POTUS Gothmog Nov 2017 #30

Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
2. Let's start making a list of what we can do to stop the violence, big or small steps.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:14 PM
Nov 2017

Start taking concrete steps to change our violent gun culture.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
8. Change congress 2018 and put pressure on our party reps.? I don't know what can change . I am
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:32 PM
Nov 2017

in Illinois a liberal majority and a bill failed here last month to ban bump stocks because they are too ingrained and already owned I guess. Nobody wants to lose already legal gunz and gun parts.
The legislation will have to be very specific .
I for one don't know but dealing with majority dems may help but in the Illinois defeat it was both parties rejecting the bill
SPRINGFIELD — Legislation to ban “bump stocks” and other devices that allow guns to fire more rapidly was rejected by the Illinois House on Thursday, as opponents from both parties contended the measure was too broad and could turn legal gun owners into criminals.Oct 27, 2017

Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
9. Our leadership has failed us totally. Obama says to think of concrete steps we can
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:43 PM
Nov 2017

take. And putting pressure on congress has not worked.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
21. It's a big F'ng mess cuz so many have legal Weapons of mass destruction and like it and they are
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:09 PM
Nov 2017

voters, constituients too. NRA money is involved to reps, but also the money they spend to market to buyers, they have changed the hearts and minds of many with the paranoid propaganda they push and making it a recreational sport for families and teaching kids to wear it as a badge of honor.
Big F'ng mess. I would start with 2018 because federal laws may be easier with dems but again I give the example of my dem home state last month. Not enough are against the big guns that have little to do with squirrel or deer hunting it seems.
They will tell you a cross bow is as dangerous as bump stock add ons blah blah you could get shot in Chicago with a hand gun blah blah car deaths higher , it's a great recreational sport for all the family . Many voices.

If we start with the larger capacity mass killing machines you would think some would be able to scale down to smaller weapons but I don't know.
Disappointed in the bill failing here becuase how would it ever go anywhere in a country that is more conservative as a whole than this state?

Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
25. So a document written 200 yrs ago is causing carnage in our country.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:54 AM
Nov 2017

And our founding fathers did not mean for 6 yr olds to be mowed down
with a machine gun while going to school.

So are we a nation of idiots or what? Whole sale slaughter of innocents
because of an antiquated amendment.

I know you are not being snarky. I hope I am not coming across that way.
I am just mad.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
26. We all are angry and thank you for throwing out here some thoughts on ways to try and stop it
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:09 AM
Nov 2017

I still have hope but that bill failing here and the excuses I heard while the debate went on in the state just gave me a reality check on how many are against gun control of even bump stock add ons . I thought we would be the state to lead on that
I have no real answrs and posters pointed out that changing congress to more dems 2018, like I suggested , may not do what seems like what should be thier patriotic duty to me.
SC could overturn what they interpret as unconstitutional law I believe also

Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
27. I am cynical too. Doubt our leadership can do anything. It is up to the people
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 01:11 AM
Nov 2017

to deal with the problem.

Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
29. America is either insane or stupid, or both. To let our citizens be slaughtered like this.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:24 AM
Nov 2017

Something is really wrong with this country.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
14. Replace all politcians who
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:28 PM
Nov 2017

are endorsed by the NRA/ILA -- Republicans AND Democrats. Vote for non-NRA Democrats to replace Republicans, and primary NRA endorsed Democrats with non-NRA Democrats.

Then we will be able to address the gun violence epidemic in this country with sensible gun control measures that are within the traditional boundaries (not the NRA/ILA/ALEC/GOA defined boundaries) of the Second Amendment.

We desperately need to get rid of the public carry of lethal weapons except for LEOs and demonstrated need, stand-your-ground vigilante laws, and demand national and local background checks for ALL gun purchases and transfers for any reason. We need a national gun registry in order to track all guns from factory to scrap heap.

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
18. From a post of mine post-Vegas:
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:44 PM
Nov 2017

f you're a human being with a whit of compassion for your fellow man (that rules out NRA members and republigans), you've probably said (or at least thought), "Please, God, this has to STOP!"

What are we going to do about it?

We can wring our hands and wail and gnash our teeth and rend our garments, as we've been doing, but remember: if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got--which is nothing. We can write letters to our Congress-critters, but the responsive ones are too few and far between; the rest, as Jimmy Kimmel said, have their balls in a money clip owned by the NRA. And even if we got something through Congress, we'd never get it across the AnusMouth's desk. Even if we miraculously got the pResiDunce's signature on a law, I seriously doubt that a Supreme Court owned by RobertsAlitoThomasGorsuck would uphold it.

So what does that leave us? I'm led to believe that we need new strategy, new tactics, like some groups on the other side have employed. (No, I'm not going to advocate assassinating gun company executives, like anti-abortion fanatics do (see George Tiller), tempting though it might be….). But maybe there are some stratagems from the dark side that might get the attention of the media and make the lives of our hoplosexual (gun-humper--"one who enjoys sex with weapons" ) crowd a little more difficult. Changing the vocabulary, a favorite repuglikan tactic is one way. I no longer call these toys "assault weapons," because that doesn't necessarily form a bad image in the reptilian minds of the NRA fan-club; I call them "industrial-strength killing machines," a term that magnifies their most evil property. But we need to go further.

Have we ever staged a rally at a gun factory to remind them that real people die because of their product, or at the very least, divert their attention from their production and their profits? If we haven't, maybe it's time we started doing it. Block their shipments in and out, make it a bit more difficult to move their arsenals of death. Make them feel some of the pain that the rest of us feel (if they are capable of feeling pain). Have we ever stopped a customer from walking into a gun shop, screaming in his face that he is a murderer? In the civil-rights movement, we sat at lunch counters to protest segregation. Why can't we sit-in at gun-store counters to protest their murders?

Here's another thing. Walk into any Walgreen's pharmacy/store, or CVS, or local supermarket, go to the magazine rack (where they sell publications, not the one with bullet-holder add-ons…). Count the number of gun-related publications they sell. I would almost bet they outnumber every other type of pubs, except horoscopes and celebrity-worship rags. Why do we tolerate this? Why aren't we hammering these stores to get rid of these rags??

I'm not joined at the hip to these specific tactics (though I do think we need to work hard at getting the gun-porn publications off of the shelves), but I do want to encourage the anti-death-by-gun forces to think "outside the tesseract" about new tactics--because, quite simply, the old tactics have gotten us nowhere. We need to find new levers to move public opinion more toward making the gun culture anathema to civilized human beings. We cannot keep going on as we have been. As I wrote earlier, if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got--and all we've gotten is: murdered.

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Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
20. Excellent, my thoughts exactly. Time to think outside the box and take some action.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:48 PM
Nov 2017

Congress will do nothing to help us.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
11. I think America's leaders, Obama and Hillary, shouldn't offer their wise words
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:04 PM
Nov 2017

This is tRump's Era and that of all things KGOP/Republican everything.

Let this be their show. Let this be their stain in the history books. We're all suffering.

Irish_Dem

(47,030 posts)
16. They can't help it. They are born leaders. Obama's words had a big impact on me.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:42 PM
Nov 2017

"Pray for wisdom to come up with concrete steps".

I keep posting my ideas to stop gun violence, and am asking others to post theirs as well.

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