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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have a little clearer information on Devin Kelley's discharge
He wasn't dishonorably discharged. (You pretty much have to kill or rape someone to get that - a special court-martial is easier to convene and just as disastrous to the rest of your life.)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer
This guy must have been a long-term dirtball; a two-grade reduction to Basic Airman (E-1) means he walked into his court-martial as an Airman First Class (E-3), and with four years' time in service he should have had at least one more stripe.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Years younger than my child.
Thank you for the information.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,334 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)The Lautenberg Admendment.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)There are two ways the military can punish you: nonjudicial punishment and judicial punishment.
Nonjudicial punishments in the Army and Air Force are called "Article 15s" because that's the article in the Uniform Code of Military Justice that governs the process. (The sea services have different names - the Marines call them Office Hours or "ninja punch" and the Navy uses Captain's Mast.) NJP doesn't follow you into civilian life.
Judicial punishment, or Courts-Martial (not "court martials" carry the same weight as a federal felony trial, and they DO follow you through life.
He was convicted of two counts of Domestic Violence.
The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)BUT - being found guilty in a Special Court Martial means he has a federal assault conviction.
It should have been enough to preclude owning a firearm, even though a bad conduct discharge does not automatically bar firearm ownership.
It may be that the UCMJ needs updated if the specific language regarding "assault" and "Domestic Violence" allowed this scumbag to wriggle through a loophole in the background check law
certainot
(9,090 posts)tht was a sunday night blowhard.
if limbaugh says so tomorrow, whether there's truth or not, it will be all over 1500 radio stations before there's any correction - all because the left ignores it
grantcart
(53,061 posts)These guys have to pick their boogeyman.
Definitely not antifa.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Limbaugh, Alex Jones, and every other local fascist wannabe control the air waves. The left TRIED getting into the radio market, but there's little interest in the truth. Right-wing Americans love to be lied to, and they love to have someone fan the flames of their hate.
I guarantee this will be on every left-leaning website tomorrow, every news show on TV, and every blog. The left is not ignoring it, they're just powerless to combat it.
certainot
(9,090 posts)that's what 95% of people who would listen to it prefer the ignorance lie and hate of the rw blowhards. that's an insult to americans! it's a 20 -1 monopoly and clearchannel/iheart is $20 BIL in debt! it's been mom and pop vs wall mart and they subsidize and protect that monopoly. the only reaso it still stands is because the left and dems ignore it and believe those rw myths about liberal talkers being failures.
here are a few things people can do
to start, dems and media and political scientists need to be encouraged to poll trump support for talk radio. too much analysis ignores the fact that this is actually the talk radio president and most of putins trolling piggybacked it. ill bet it shows the closest association outside of white
monitor it should be easier now to automate recording and transcribing the main rw talkers so people can search and study the patterns and repetition. if all of a sudden theres a spike in, say the word iran or mueller or deep state, etc, it probably means something. knowing about it before it becomes reality means not always having to play catch up
credit it trump needs a RUSH tattoo on his forehead, as do all republican pols and media hacks. they all ride the talk radio bandwagon and feed from the daily smorgasbord of talking points and excuses. dems in media could accurately preface answers to republican media hacks and politicians with thats what limbaugh says but...
investigate it how long has putin been using it? did they find a way to feed limbaugh and coordinate with him and others? are any of them being paid freelance money? exposing the talk radio gods as tools, especially russian tools, would help. Trump guy Sam Nunberg analyzed 1000s of hrs of RW radio & reported to Trump in 2014. to coordinate with Russian ops?
thank all local businesses that advertise on RW radio stations thank them for trump, trumpcare, global warming, privatization of public education, voter suppression, deregulation, tax breaks for billionaires, etc. its easy and fun to listen to a few minutes here and there and get a few email addresses for thank-you notes that can get to the boss/owners.
protest it include the radio stations in any progressive protests they may be better places to protest than capitols republicans will notice and freak out. media will notice and advertisers will flee.
and to combine a few of those, push the 88 universities that endorse 257 limbaugh stations to stop crapping on their mission statements and start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on maybe their political science faculties and students can start studying the most dominant political factor in the US the last 30 years. people need to wonder why the unis should drop rw radio.
and if limbaugh repeats that on all those uni supported radio stations today it will point out once again the incredible stupidity of the dems and left orgs for ignoring that all those universities are renting their logos/brands to hundreds of NRA/KKK/trump/putin radio stations.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:32 AM - Edit history (1)
WTF are atheist pages?
Tikki
maxsolomon
(33,331 posts)there's plenty of Atheist ones.
Start with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, for instance.