My Number One Piece of Advice for Everyone Whos Dealt with a Trump Supporter

[Roland99]

My Number One Piece of Advice for Everyone Who’s Dealt with a Trump Supporter

https://forwardprogressives.com/my-number-one-piece-of-advice-for-everyone-whos-dealt-with-a-trump-supporter/

I’m not saying we shouldn’t still keep fact checking Trump’s non-stop lies, or even trying to debate his supporters as much as possible, no matter how maddening an experience that might be. All I’m saying is that we need to stop expecting anything he does to have a significant impact on the majority of people who support him.

Sure, a few might change their minds and there’s obviously been a dip in his overall support since he was sworn into office. However, when you get down to his core supporters, the people who’ve ignored appalling indiscretions that would have sunk any other politician’s career, if those particular individuals haven’t abandoned him yet — they’re never going to.

Here’s a harsh reality: They don’t care if Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia.

The FBI could find evidence where Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin personally spoke with one another to time their attacks against Hillary Clinton and most Trumpsters would be fine with that. As long as he won, they don’t care what it took, what he had to do, how many crimes he might have committed, or even if a foreign enemy tainted our democracy by interfering in our election — Trump supporters simply don’t care.

For them, the ends justify the means

[samnsara]

1. i usually just look at them with no expression on my face and ask...

...'which one of trumps admitted sexual offenses offends you the least?'

[NurseJackie]

2. Those personality traits are identical in the supporters of other politicians as well...

... living in an echo-chamber bubble, no comprehension of the real world, unable to accept reality, vain, stubborn, naive, conceited, sanctimonious. Among others, Susan Sarandon comes to mind.

[radical noodle]

3. Amen to that!

Some people just refuse to admit they were wrong, too. I know a few Trump voters who didn't particularly like what he said and did but thought he'd "be okay." Now they don't want to admit their choice was bad. Either way, they're unlikely to ever believe the truth about what they did. In Susan's case, she still clings to "Hillary was worse." What a tool.

[Roland99]

8. Yes. Yes it is. Cognitive bias and confirmation bias exist all around

It’s easy to fall into that trap

I’ve been engaged in a FB group that has attempted to acknowledge that and approach those of other political persuasions in more effective ways

It’s still often times met with stubbornness and willful ignorance.

I have to take a break from those engagements. It’s wearing me down to the point I’m losing faith in humanity.

[ehrnst]

9. Dualistic thinkers. Binary mindset.

My way or the highway

There is purity, and there is evil. Whatever differs from what I have decided is purity, is by definition, evil.

Norting even remotely toward the center from where I stand has any value - in fact it is suspect and trying to get me to the dark side.

White privilege in a nutshell - be it on the right or the left. Sarandon to a tee.

[SandyZ]

19. This seems to be a new world. I wonder if the open communication on the net makes this possible.

It was not so prevalent in the past.

[dhol82]

26. It definitely has a bearing on the problem

It was much more difficult to find like minded individuals before the internet. Now, one can plug the magic words into google and find what one wants.
I think that the rwnj’s then spread the word that the ‘truth’ was being told on Fox, Breitbart and Infowars. It was confirmation of all they believed.

Pathetic but then, we do the same in an obverse universe.

[SandyZ]

37. I think so, also.

It makes me ponder where we go from here.

[dhol82]

38. Personal feeling is that it is not a good place.

Hope the future ends up better than what I envision.

[SandyZ]

39. I agree.

[BootinUp]

4. Bingo. Nt

[world wide wally]

5. I try to laugh off their ignorance.

Then they wonder why I was laughing

[ProudMNDemocrat]

6. Lock her up!

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Is still the battle cry of these people! What Hillary Clinton is accused of doing is far worse than the corruption taking place before our eyes?

Trump voters and die hard supporters are certainly dumber than a box or rocks.

[Sugarcoated]

28. What's that you say?

What Hillary Clinton is accused of doing is far worse than the corruption taking place before our eyes.

You might want to fix that because that's not true.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

29. Reread my post once again, Sugarcoated.....

At the RNC last year in Cleveland, Mike Flynn said..."Had I done one-tenth of what Hillary Clinton did, I would be in prison." Then the chants of "Lock her up", to which Flynn is on tape saying, "Lock her up."

Looks like ole Mikey will surely get that orange jumpsuit before Hillary ever will because she did not do anything to the scope of what Flynn is going to be indicted for.

The correction was a ? after before our eyes.

[Sugarcoated]

32. The way you wrote it, it isn't clear.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

34. What is not clear?

That Mike Flynn will see the insides of a prison cell and Hillary never will?

Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong. That should be clear.

[Sugarcoated]

35. No need to get so defensive

The way you wrote, it's not clear it's Mike Flynn saying it, looks like you're saying it. I didn't think you actually thought that, just a suggestion to word it a more clearly that it's a Mike Flynn quote.

[dhol82]

40. Sorry, I will stand with Proud MN Democrat

I thought what she wrote was very clear and not what you seem to be implying.

Take it for what it’s worth.

[druidity33]

36. Correction?...

The corruption taking place before our eyes is far worse than what Hilary Clinton is accused of doing!

...might be a better way of phrasing that. The way you wrote it it seems like you're saying the opposite of that.

[njhoneybadger]

7. Rethugs filled their minds so full of hate for Hillary

No matter what tRump ever does they will always feel they made the right choice

[SDJay]

10. Over Beers This Weekend

I along with a couple of friends tried to honestly come up with anything, and I mean anything, that Drump could possibly say and/or do to alienate his true base of feces flingers. About the only things we could even think would be possible included:

1. Dump calls for repeal of 2nd Amendment.
2. Dump outlaws religion.
3. Dump fires entire cabinet and replaces them with nothing but gay and/or brown people.

The bullcrap outrage regarding the flag came up, and we agreed that if Dump came out and said it's now patriotic to piss on the flag, his base would do just that.

We weren't even sure any of the three mentioned above would be enough to get his supporters to see reality. That's the problem with zealots - you can't get through to them with reason or fact or logic.

[wryter2000]

17. The only thing I would imagine would work with them

Proving that he holds them in utter contempt. If he ever came out and called them rubes that he'd conned into voting for him. If it appeared he was laughing at them. They'd do their best to deny the evidence and call it "fake news," but if you could convince them of that, I think they'd abandon him.

[SDJay]

21. That's Possible.

Especially if he was having this conversation with Keith Olbermann and/or Rachel Maddow.

[Maggiemayhem]

22. Even if you convinced them Trump was the AntiChrist

They stiii would make excuses for him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Yes... but he's OUR AntiChrist!!! That's what they would say.

[weissmam]

11. easy answer

while Trump may or may not have colluded ( I actually think they did ) the issue that will do him in is money laundering

[Grammy23]

13. It must be crystal clear for them, spelled out using a flow chart if necessary.

Getting a look at his tax returns might be an eye opener, too. But one way or the other, it must be perfectly understandable that these were CRIMES, not just taking advantage of tax loopholes.

I watched Richard Engel’s report on MSNBC last night and his summary included a money flow chart and it made it so much easier to understand how Manafort conducted his money laundering scheme. By having certain large bills paid by his Russian contacts, he avoided paying any income tax on millions of dollars in laundered money. He lived a very lavish lifestyle with zero tax liability. It would not surprise me to find out that tRump has done similar bad deeds in much the same way.

No matter what the story is, make it simple to understand —

[The Wizard]

12. It's a radical toxic death cult

He could go on TV and abort his daughter's baby and eat the fetus, and all the cult would say is "He must have been pretty hungry."

[iluvtennis]

14. Agreed. I with a couple of them. No reasoning with them. nt

[Hamlette]

15. two approaches I might try this Thanksgiving:

1. I have all my retirement in aggressive stocks. I have made a fortune on the stock market. 3-4 times what I usually make. And because my husband is in banking and he relaxed the regulations, banking is soaring and we are making more money than ever. By a lot. And we didn't even support him. I'm guessing as a trump supporter your income must have gone up more than 3-4 times what you made under Obama! (You should know that the Trump supporters in my family are hurting financially. All of them. And my husband and I are both lawyers and have always done better than the rest of the family. I wouldn't use it if I didn't want to make a point).

2. I want you, as a Trump supporter, to think of the things that Trump has done that he has gotten heat for, and flip the script. What if a Democrat had done those things. What if Obama had said he gets to grab women by the pussy and kiss them, even if it was unwanted, because he is famous. What if he had done that to you or your wife? Would you feel differently about him. Or what if Hillary wanted the death penalty for 5 Trump supporters who were found innocent of rape. Or if she made a secret deal with Iran to given them something, maybe the bomb, in exchange for helping her win the election. You should do that little exercise every time you want to dismiss something Trump has done.


will either of them work?

[wryter2000]

16. Off hand, I would guess they won't work

1. is sure interesting, though. I imagine that might shut them up.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

20. I use the Yrgrit line from GAME OF THRONES.......

"You know nothing..............."

That gets them every time.

[Pepsidog]

23. Agree completely. Our country is rapiditly declining

[MindPilot]

24. Got an email from a former friend.

We parted ways a a little more than a year ago over his unwillingness to stop the endless stream of pro-Trump emails he was sending me.

Friday, he emailed saying " Are you still with her? CLINTON IS GOING DOWN HARD!!!"

So many WTF's, so little time.

[dhol82]

30. Damn! Thats astonishing

Does he only listen to Infowars?
I don’t think even faux is that crazy.

[MindPilot]

31. I think he's gone pure FOX

That email came right after O'Really's rant about the Donna Brazile "revelations"

Still, like most Trump supporters, he believes Hillary holds some kind of office and has power beyond being a fairly well-off celebrity.

[dhol82]

33. I thought OReilly was off the air?

But, isn’t it amazing that Fox watchers seem to think that Hillary is president?
Odd, that.

[paulkienitz]

25. some Trump supporters would probably be fine with ending elections and making him dictator

...but I think some others might be reachable by asking "What has he actually done to help YOU?"

[Martin Eden]

41. "For them, the ends justify the means."

And the vast majority of Trumpers have no clue that the "ends" in this equation are their own -- taking it up the ass from a kleptocracy that conned them into voting against their own interests.