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Initech

(100,068 posts)
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:44 PM Nov 2017

Oath Keepers Leader Bangs The Civil War Drums After Church Shooting

Writing on the Oath Keepers’ website, the group’s founder Stewart Rhodes reacted to Sunday’s mass shooting at a church in Texas by tying it to the supposed “civil war” that he thought far-left activists would try to start on Saturday and by urging all men to go armed at all times and station armed security teams outside of every church.

Rhodes, like others on the far-right, speculated that the shooting was perpetrated by “a Christian hating leftist terrorist,” connecting it with the violent left-wing uprising he and others predicted might occur on November 4, saying, “we may see hardcore leftists become discouraged by the failure of Nov 4 then decide to go full on Weather Underground style terrorist and target conservatives and anyone else they see as being on the political right.”

“But whether he had planned this for some time or was reacting to the failure of the Nov 4 launch of a supposed mass movement to remove Trump, our response must be the same,” Rhodes wrote. That response being to be armed “at all times, in all places,” including church:

1. Go armed at all times, in all places, and be ready for it when (not if) the attack comes. That must be the physical practice and the mental state of all patriotic Americans. As I said in my Friday write up, expect it, and prepare for it, and that means a handgun and knife on your person, and a rifle or shotgun in your vehicle. It was a private citizen with a long gun who put a stop to this killing spree. You must be ready to do the same. It is a tragic shame that there was apparently nobody with a firearm among the victims in the church. I have heard nothing about anyone in that church returning fire, and it is most likely they were all unarmed.

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7. Prepare for the worst – a wave of left wing terrorism targeting conservatives, libertarians, Christians, police, military, veterans, etc (anyone the left considers on the right or part of the system). Expect it. Prepare yourselves in case this does lead to a full blown civil war. Get your food storage and fuel storage built up, since there will be shortages, disruptions in service, and possibly economic collapse if a civil war kicks off. Look to the experiences in Bosnia and other such places where bloody civil war broke out. Prepare for power outages, disruption in water services, heat, etc. And prepare to defend your home and neighborhood against terrorist attack. A neighborhood watch with teeth (armed) is what you will need. Start one now, or at least be ready to start one when the time comes, and that will mean having enough hand held radios and vehicle radios (FRS, CB, HAM) to have effective grid-down communication with your neighbors, friends, and families. Have a way to recharge the radio batteries, such as solar charges and/or a generator. Have a way to purify water for your neighborhood. You should also store up medical supplies, ammunition, and a few spare guns to lend out to trusted neighbors to use on duty with the watch. Be the source of knowledge and critical supplies for that community defense and for clean water and you will be the one the others look to for leadership. Be ready to lead.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/after-church-shooting-stewart-rhodes-tells-oath-keepers-to-go-armed-at-all-times-in-all-places-to-prepare-for-full-blown-civil-war/


Holy fuck these people are absolutely psychotic!
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Oath Keepers Leader Bangs The Civil War Drums After Church Shooting (Original Post) Initech Nov 2017 OP
aka Oath Breakers Stallion Nov 2017 #1
Anyone tell these morons that he was after his malaise Nov 2017 #2
Time to get the mental hospitals opened back up SoCalNative Nov 2017 #3
You spelled "Oaf" wrong. FSogol Nov 2017 #4
"Creepers" too Cirque du So-What Nov 2017 #6
That would make an awesome band name! Oaf Creepers! Initech Nov 2017 #17
He's giving all that advice to others, because MineralMan Nov 2017 #5
Don't they realize matt819 Nov 2017 #7
I Get What You're Saying ProfessorGAC Nov 2017 #10
Yeah, I know matt819 Nov 2017 #12
That's actually an accurate, though vague description of the anti-federalists LanternWaste Nov 2017 #16
Too bad... GeorgeGist Nov 2017 #13
Jim Bakker probably contributed that suggestion to stock up on critical supplies... Frustratedlady Nov 2017 #8
they want a redo after losing the last civil war DBoon Nov 2017 #9
Any excuse....ANY excuse NastyRiffraff Nov 2017 #11
And slip into camo-fatigues-and-body-armor drag. VOX Nov 2017 #19
Yep! Exactly! It's a clothes fetish! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2017 #21
Never hear em except to crawl out during this kinda shit benld74 Nov 2017 #14
So..... just what is this Turbineguy Nov 2017 #15
Yeah I've wondered that same thing! Initech Nov 2017 #18
It's apparently not the same one Turbineguy Nov 2017 #24
Lordy! What would they be like if the left actually had some power? MindPilot Nov 2017 #20
Ummm. somebody needs to send this to the Military JAG Office maxrandb Nov 2017 #22
Little do they know, we're all disguising ourselves by wearing red MAGA hats now NightWatcher Nov 2017 #23

MineralMan

(146,290 posts)
5. He's giving all that advice to others, because
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:52 PM
Nov 2017

he's going to be cowering in his well-stocked basement and is counting on them to take care of the job.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
7. Don't they realize
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:57 PM
Nov 2017

That in the event of a civil war, or an attempt to secede, most Americans living in the reality-based universe will not fight it. We want them gone, and as long as they don't create holdouts in liberal states, we frankly don't give a damn where they hole up. Pick a state and all that your new home. Mississippi sounds fine, but I'm okay with Texas as well. Then those of us in the Fractured States of America can buy their oil from non-Texas suppliers. Again, I'm okay with this. Sure, it'll be hard, and complicated, but what divorce isn't? Then they can carry all the weapons they want, right up to the border of the FSA, which they will never see again.

When is it time to stop kidding ourselves? We are no longer united. We are no longer living in the same reality.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
10. I Get What You're Saying
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:10 PM
Nov 2017

But, secession is a settled matter. 150 years ago, it was demonstrated that the federal government has the right and power to tell the states they can't do that.

The whole "states rights" thing fell in a fury of gunfire and blood. Secession is simply not an option.

Like you, i'd be happy to see what would occur when the "taker" states get left holding the bag, but there are people who live in those states that would prefer their states to not be backward. Plenty of folks in Alabama who would like their state to be more like New York and less like the 1850's.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
12. Yeah, I know
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:23 PM
Nov 2017

But I don't think anyone envisioned the America we have today, governed, if you can call it that, by a white supremacist intent on actually destroying the federal government, with the exception of the military and DHS, so they can target non-whites for deportation and incarceration.

I don't believe anyone envisioned the executive branch of the USG in thrall (in hock?) to the Russian government?

I'm not a historian, but I would suggest that we are far more polarized now than we were prior to the Civil War.

Hate groups, militias, unchecked mass murders, and a so-called federal government unable or unwilling to a damn thing about any of it.

Gerrymandering to ensure that absolutely nothing changes in Congress.

Executive branch officials lying with impunity, to say nothing of the president himself.

Solutions, anyone?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. That's actually an accurate, though vague description of the anti-federalists
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:42 PM
Nov 2017

"...governed, if you can call it that, by a white supremacist intent on actually destroying the federal government."

That's actually an accurate, though vague description of the anti-federalists (James Madison, Jefferson, etc.).

So, yeah... I think they not merely envisioned it, but worked towards that very goal.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
8. Jim Bakker probably contributed that suggestion to stock up on critical supplies...
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 02:59 PM
Nov 2017

for the community defense. He probably still has 5-gallon buckets of that slop he's been trying to unload on Christians.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
9. they want a redo after losing the last civil war
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:04 PM
Nov 2017

They think they will win this time and get their slaves back

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
24. It's apparently not the same one
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 06:08 PM
Nov 2017

I did:

"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

".... all enemies, foreign and domestic...." is pretty unambiguous.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
20. Lordy! What would they be like if the left actually had some power?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:59 PM
Nov 2017

It's kind of heartening that they are really that afraid of us leftists!

maxrandb

(15,329 posts)
22. Ummm. somebody needs to send this to the Military JAG Office
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:43 PM
Nov 2017

Any of these fuckers that are retired Military, can...AND SHOULD...have their retirements taken away.

Most folks don't understand that if you engage in serious criminal activity...(I don't know...like, urging folks to take out your fellow citizens, or sedition, or murder, rape, robbery, treason etc.,) and you have an Honorable Discharge and are receiving a pension, YOU CAN LOSE THAT PENSION.

Pension

Veterans in receipt of VA pension will have payments terminated effective the 61st day after imprisonment in a Federal, State, or local penal institution for conviction of a felony or misdemeanor. Payments may be resumed upon release from prison if the Veteran meets VA eligibility requirements. Failure to notify VA of a Veteran's incarceration could result in the loss of all financial benefits until the overpayment is recovered.


Additionally, if the conviction is for sedition, espionage or treason, the veteran can be recalled to active duty for a general Court Martial


NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
23. Little do they know, we're all disguising ourselves by wearing red MAGA hats now
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 04:45 PM
Nov 2017

And we've also put ignorant bumper stickers all over our pickups. They'll never stop us.

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