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Rhodes, like others on the far-right, speculated that the shooting was perpetrated by a Christian hating leftist terrorist, connecting it with the violent left-wing uprising he and others predicted might occur on November 4, saying, we may see hardcore leftists become discouraged by the failure of Nov 4 then decide to go full on Weather Underground style terrorist and target conservatives and anyone else they see as being on the political right.
But whether he had planned this for some time or was reacting to the failure of the Nov 4 launch of a supposed mass movement to remove Trump, our response must be the same, Rhodes wrote. That response being to be armed at all times, in all places, including church:
1. Go armed at all times, in all places, and be ready for it when (not if) the attack comes. That must be the physical practice and the mental state of all patriotic Americans. As I said in my Friday write up, expect it, and prepare for it, and that means a handgun and knife on your person, and a rifle or shotgun in your vehicle. It was a private citizen with a long gun who put a stop to this killing spree. You must be ready to do the same. It is a tragic shame that there was apparently nobody with a firearm among the victims in the church. I have heard nothing about anyone in that church returning fire, and it is most likely they were all unarmed.
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7. Prepare for the worst a wave of left wing terrorism targeting conservatives, libertarians, Christians, police, military, veterans, etc (anyone the left considers on the right or part of the system). Expect it. Prepare yourselves in case this does lead to a full blown civil war. Get your food storage and fuel storage built up, since there will be shortages, disruptions in service, and possibly economic collapse if a civil war kicks off. Look to the experiences in Bosnia and other such places where bloody civil war broke out. Prepare for power outages, disruption in water services, heat, etc. And prepare to defend your home and neighborhood against terrorist attack. A neighborhood watch with teeth (armed) is what you will need. Start one now, or at least be ready to start one when the time comes, and that will mean having enough hand held radios and vehicle radios (FRS, CB, HAM) to have effective grid-down communication with your neighbors, friends, and families. Have a way to recharge the radio batteries, such as solar charges and/or a generator. Have a way to purify water for your neighborhood. You should also store up medical supplies, ammunition, and a few spare guns to lend out to trusted neighbors to use on duty with the watch. Be the source of knowledge and critical supplies for that community defense and for clean water and you will be the one the others look to for leadership. Be ready to lead.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/after-church-shooting-stewart-rhodes-tells-oath-keepers-to-go-armed-at-all-times-in-all-places-to-prepare-for-full-blown-civil-war/
Holy fuck these people are absolutely psychotic!
Stallion
(6,474 posts)malaise
(268,987 posts)mother-in-law?
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)for these insane idiots.
FSogol
(45,484 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,938 posts)Oaf Creepers
Initech
(100,068 posts)MineralMan
(146,290 posts)he's going to be cowering in his well-stocked basement and is counting on them to take care of the job.
matt819
(10,749 posts)That in the event of a civil war, or an attempt to secede, most Americans living in the reality-based universe will not fight it. We want them gone, and as long as they don't create holdouts in liberal states, we frankly don't give a damn where they hole up. Pick a state and all that your new home. Mississippi sounds fine, but I'm okay with Texas as well. Then those of us in the Fractured States of America can buy their oil from non-Texas suppliers. Again, I'm okay with this. Sure, it'll be hard, and complicated, but what divorce isn't? Then they can carry all the weapons they want, right up to the border of the FSA, which they will never see again.
When is it time to stop kidding ourselves? We are no longer united. We are no longer living in the same reality.
ProfessorGAC
(65,013 posts)But, secession is a settled matter. 150 years ago, it was demonstrated that the federal government has the right and power to tell the states they can't do that.
The whole "states rights" thing fell in a fury of gunfire and blood. Secession is simply not an option.
Like you, i'd be happy to see what would occur when the "taker" states get left holding the bag, but there are people who live in those states that would prefer their states to not be backward. Plenty of folks in Alabama who would like their state to be more like New York and less like the 1850's.
matt819
(10,749 posts)But I don't think anyone envisioned the America we have today, governed, if you can call it that, by a white supremacist intent on actually destroying the federal government, with the exception of the military and DHS, so they can target non-whites for deportation and incarceration.
I don't believe anyone envisioned the executive branch of the USG in thrall (in hock?) to the Russian government?
I'm not a historian, but I would suggest that we are far more polarized now than we were prior to the Civil War.
Hate groups, militias, unchecked mass murders, and a so-called federal government unable or unwilling to a damn thing about any of it.
Gerrymandering to ensure that absolutely nothing changes in Congress.
Executive branch officials lying with impunity, to say nothing of the president himself.
Solutions, anyone?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"...governed, if you can call it that, by a white supremacist intent on actually destroying the federal government."
That's actually an accurate, though vague description of the anti-federalists (James Madison, Jefferson, etc.).
So, yeah... I think they not merely envisioned it, but worked towards that very goal.
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)we'd be rid of those fuckers .
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)for the community defense. He probably still has 5-gallon buckets of that slop he's been trying to unload on Christians.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)They think they will win this time and get their slaves back
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)to get armed to the teeth, preferably with semi-automatics.
VOX
(22,976 posts)They LOVE their fashi getups.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)"oath" they keep?
Initech
(100,068 posts)Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)I did:
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
".... all enemies, foreign and domestic...." is pretty unambiguous.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)It's kind of heartening that they are really that afraid of us leftists!
maxrandb
(15,329 posts)Any of these fuckers that are retired Military, can...AND SHOULD...have their retirements taken away.
Most folks don't understand that if you engage in serious criminal activity...(I don't know...like, urging folks to take out your fellow citizens, or sedition, or murder, rape, robbery, treason etc.,) and you have an Honorable Discharge and are receiving a pension, YOU CAN LOSE THAT PENSION.
Pension
Veterans in receipt of VA pension will have payments terminated effective the 61st day after imprisonment in a Federal, State, or local penal institution for conviction of a felony or misdemeanor. Payments may be resumed upon release from prison if the Veteran meets VA eligibility requirements. Failure to notify VA of a Veteran's incarceration could result in the loss of all financial benefits until the overpayment is recovered.
Additionally, if the conviction is for sedition, espionage or treason, the veteran can be recalled to active duty for a general Court Martial
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And we've also put ignorant bumper stickers all over our pickups. They'll never stop us.