Something Thom Hartmann talked about yesterday: pictures of carnage.

[Ilsa]

I don't think we can make pictures of the carnage at that church or a school or any other crime scene public. But I do think our elected representatives need to look at the pictures. They need to see what happens, the blood, the bodies torn apart, when these weapons are used. They need to remember that when they accept checks from the NRA. I'm sick of the sterile "thoughts & prayers" crap they pull every time.

[SoCalMusicLover]

1. Why Not Release The Pictures/Video?

Maybe it would open people's eyes to what these weapons do.

That won't happen though, and people will just say....well, they died, and that was that. Might as well have died of a heart attack.

It minimizes the impact these guns have, by not showing the horrible effects.

[defacto7]

6. Wasn't the whole thing live on youtube?

Even if youtube took it down, it's still there. Personally I've seen the worst of carnage from acts like this and don't need any more, but if you haven't and you can take it, it's a life changer.

I do think lawmakers should have to view these acts before making decisions on weapons that affect all of us. Maybe they should do it during their moments of silence or before public prayer time.

[SoCalMusicLover]

11. Not Live

It was recorded, and I'm sure will Never see the light of day.

[riversedge]

2. I have read that many of the Sandy

kids bodies were literally ripped apart with many bullets pumped into them. Maybe it Congress had their moment of silence in a locked secure room where they were forced to look at the pics--and the grieving parents, it might change some minds.

[meadowlander]

3. Politicians get away with voting down gun control

Because they know they can still be elected if they do. Opposing gun control needs to become such a repugnant position that they no longer think they can win an election if they do it. And the only way to do that is to change public opinion by showing the actual consequences.

[iamateacher]

4. A photo is worth a thousand words

I am sure there would have been relatives from Sandy Hook, Orlando, Las Vegas, who would be willing, in the name of gun control, to release photos...

[hurl]

8. Agreed.

Release any for which the family consents.

[defacto7]

10. A lot of it is on the web. You just have to know where.

Dark web stuff. I need to exit this thread now.

[Ilsa]

17. I've never visited the dark web.

Are you afraid you'll over-share, or is my thread making you think of things too traumatic?
Scary stuff out there.

[defacto7]

20. It's not worth it to hang around the dark net.

First, you put your computer in danger, second you need to know how to get where you're going, third you're under surveillance by law enforcement, forth your watched by governments, fifth there are things that can't be unseen, sixth you dare not go without as much anonymity as humanly possible...
I've been playing with internet security as a hobby for years and I've seen enough. I was just flashing back some ugly things like a line of 5 to 10 year olds being crucified in a row, abused and kept awake with some chemical all in front of their parents... There's other stuff just as bad and it's not cinema. You can't unsee those things and it does effect you if your not a psychopath. I'm sure lawmakers would have to take notice if the victims of violence were in mind, unless they're sick in the head.

[Ilsa]

21. OMG, that's what I was afraid of.

Really horrible stuff, and then LE peeking over your shoulder. I can't imagine why anyone would invite that kind of trouble.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

5. I believe such pictures should be made public.

Not just for legislators, but for everyone.

Maybe if some of the gun apologists here saw the damage that bullets do to a human body they'd re-think their support of gun ownership over human life.

[DFW]

9. I believe they should be made mandatory viewing for all members of Congress

Force all members who accepted money from the NRA to sign each photo, saying "I approve this carnage."

It would SO drive the message home: a TV ad showing the 5 minutes after scene in the church, with a TV camera panning slowly over the bodies as they lay, and then the voice of our senior Senator, "I'm John Cornyn, and I approved this carnage."

I know, I know, that's completely off the wall, but nothing else so far seems to help.

[Ilsa]

16. I'm wondering if the church was broadcasting live

during the shooting. They do some online stuff, but I don't know if it is a week delay or live.

[DFW]

18. That is one video the NRA would probably pay millions NOT to have aired. n/t

[Blue_Adept]

7. Show it all. Face the reality of what we apparently believe is acceptable.

[Liberal In Texas]

12. Show it. Film on nightly newscasts from the carnage during the Viet Nam War is what

got the public opinion to move to get it stopped.

[VOX]

13. Photos and film changed public opinion about Vietnam.

The right wing would scream about it, but fuck them, show it, show it all. Over and over.

George Bernard Shaw said there are two effective ways to teach: through art or torture. It’s way past time to apply the torture of looking at this carnage up close. Show what rifle bullets do to a 3-year-old toddler. Show what they do to a 78-year-old grandmother. SHOW THEM WHAT THEIR BLOOD MONEY IS REALLY PURCHASING.

[maryellen99]

14. I google the Lubys shooting and the first picture was of the dead lying in the restaurant nt

[world wide wally]

15. Sadly, this should be done

Nothing else seems to register

[global1]

19. Even If Pics Of The Carnage Of An Actual Mass Shooting Are Not Shown - Could A Simulation Be Done...

with pics of animals (or a carcass of a dead animal) or even some sort of simulated human be shown (like a crash test dummy with simulated blood) - shot up - to illustrate the damage that can be done with automatic weapons or guns with a bump stock?

This might be another way to get the same point across.