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applegrove

(118,652 posts)
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:39 PM Nov 2017

Study: Black voter turnout in Wisconsin declined by nearly one-fifth in 2016

MARK SOMMERHAUSER

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/study-black-voter-turnout-in-wisconsin-declined-by-nearly-one/article_d3e72e41-96a0-51fb-83ba-11dfc6693daf.html

"SNIP.........

Turnout among black voters in Wisconsin dropped about 19 percent in the 2016 election from 2012, more than four times the national decline, according to a new study by a liberal group.

The study, released by the Center for American Progress, made the estimates based on data from the U.S. Census, polls and state voter files.

It provides the strongest evidence yet that Wisconsin’s decline in voter turnout, while seen in other demographic groups, was much more dramatic among African-Americans.

The study also found in Wisconsin, as in other key states, the 2016 electorate was significantly more white and non-college- educated than was reported by exit polls immediately after the election.

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Study: Black voter turnout in Wisconsin declined by nearly one-fifth in 2016 (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2017 OP
The targeting by Russian propaganda plus vote suppression with the voter ID law clearly worked. pnwmom Nov 2017 #1
Declined, or was suppressed? guillaumeb Nov 2017 #2
Yep, Interstate Crosscheck and other repug vote suppression tricks target the AA vote brush Nov 2017 #4
Right on target. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #5
It's puzzling. We should work just as hard at combating vote suppression as we do GOTV because... brush Nov 2017 #8
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2017 #21
November 8, 2016 was not a good day for democracy. yallerdawg Nov 2017 #3
The other part of the story, and the vital part. guillaumeb Nov 2017 #6
I'm just going to put this here TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #7
Is that the equivalent to Bernie supporters who were not going to vote Hillary. applegrove Nov 2017 #9
Actually, the Russians WERE on black sites TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #11
Or perhaps hrc campaign was not wonderful in black areas dembotoz Nov 2017 #12
I was not blaming Bernie. I was blaming Russian and GOP trolls who fomented applegrove Nov 2017 #13
Unless you have a reason to suggest that blacks in Wisconsin in particular didn't like her, mythology Nov 2017 #14
Valid only if Wisconsin and Michigan are the same dembotoz Nov 2017 #19
They're NOT 13 % different !!! This looks like voter suppression uponit7771 Nov 2017 #22
Or incompetence dembotoz Nov 2017 #24
The link within the link is much more interesting Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #10
Great post. Really stunning information there! Tatiana Nov 2017 #15
That link should be a separate thread Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #18
To be fair, if I had voted for Trump I wouldn't want to admit it either mythology Nov 2017 #16
88% of Republicans distrust the fact checking organizations Awsi Dooger Nov 2017 #17
Wisconsin's Jim Crow voter ID law did this. L. Coyote Nov 2017 #20
Democrats need to be raising holy hell over voter suppression. Every time they are on the air. Garrett78 Nov 2017 #23

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Declined, or was suppressed?
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:41 PM
Nov 2017

Given that GOP controlled Wisconsin did its best to close polling places and reduce hours at state facilities, what portion of the drop off can reasonably be attributed to that suppression?

brush

(53,778 posts)
4. Yep, Interstate Crosscheck and other repug vote suppression tricks target the AA vote
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:50 PM
Nov 2017

And it was extremely irritating to me here on DU after the election seeing the many threads that attempted to place blame on black voters, especially black males, for not coming out to vote.

You'd think those folks would know who is always the main target of repug vote suppression efforts.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. Right on target.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:53 PM
Nov 2017

Why the general lack of effort and interest on the part of Democratic leaders for the tactic of voter suppression?

brush

(53,778 posts)
8. It's puzzling. We should work just as hard at combating vote suppression as we do GOTV because...
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:06 PM
Nov 2017

every vote we stop from being suppressed goes in our column.

It's a second way to increase our vote totals.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. November 8, 2016 was not a good day for democracy.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 08:44 PM
Nov 2017
The downturn in black voter turnout was cited by critics of the state’s requirement to show a photo ID to vote, which was in effect for the first time in a presidential election in 2016.

State Rep. David Bowen, D-Milwaukee, said the findings “very much confirm some of the suspicions” he and other Democrats have expressed that the requirement disproportionately hurt turnout among minority voters — who courts have found are less likely to have driver’s licenses or other IDs that meet the requirement.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,188 posts)
7. I'm just going to put this here
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:05 PM
Nov 2017
https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-07-20/i-aint-voting-will-black-lives-matter-reject-right-vote

"Some Black Lives Matter activists plan not to vote in November"

"But one thing that Newsome and his friends say they won't be doing in November is voting. For anyone."

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I heard about this in NPR. They later backtracked and said "But you should still vote in swing states". But you can't unring a bell. Voter suppression is a problem, but this may have been part of the problem too.

applegrove

(118,652 posts)
9. Is that the equivalent to Bernie supporters who were not going to vote Hillary.
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 09:25 PM
Nov 2017

What I mean is could it be an attempt at voter suppression by the right? Don't think the GOP or russians weren't on black Twitter? I'm sure they suppressed the vote in many, many ways.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,188 posts)
11. Actually, the Russians WERE on black sites
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:00 PM
Nov 2017
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/01/list-russian-ads-facebook-instagram/

"We’ve known some of this, but today we got to see not just a representative sample of the ads themselves, but how much they cost, who exactly they targeted and how well they performed. It’s interesting stuff, so we collected it into a sortable chart with links to images of the ads so you can see for yourself."

Go to this paragraph in the article and click on the "sortable chart" link. "Black Matters" and "Blacktivist" are at the top.

Nevertheless, I'm not sure how they expected boycotting the election would have helped them. The election would happen with or without their participation. The Montgomery bus boycott worked because the city bus system NEEDED the fares that black people were paying.

But unless the Russians paid off Eddie Glaude, I don't think they were the only cause of the "blank out".

https://blackamericaweb.com/2016/02/29/eddie-s-glaude-jr-explains-the-blank-out-campaign-calls-out-trumps-bigotry/

dembotoz

(16,804 posts)
12. Or perhaps hrc campaign was not wonderful in black areas
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:13 PM
Nov 2017

Don't wanna refight the election. Really don't... but u just can't keep blaming Bernie for everything. I live near Milwaukee...I saw it up close. She just didn't catch fire.

applegrove

(118,652 posts)
13. I was not blaming Bernie. I was blaming Russian and GOP trolls who fomented
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:15 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)

more distrust within Democratic groups and Democratic divisions. I've always loved Bernie. He tells it like it is.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
14. Unless you have a reason to suggest that blacks in Wisconsin in particular didn't like her,
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:34 PM
Nov 2017

that's not a convincing position. In Wisconsin black turnout dropped 19%. In the U.S. overall, it dropped 4.5%. So sure, chalk up the average and it still dropped by 14.5% than the average. You can't argue that it was a midwest thing as black turnout in Michigan dropped a mere 1.2%.

Voter suppression via voter ID laws is the most likely culprit based on the available evidence.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
10. The link within the link is much more interesting
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 10:01 PM
Nov 2017

If it has not been posted here previously, it should be:

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/

That's the national overview of the 2016 vote, not strictly focused on Wisconsin.

I haven't read it all yet but some aspects were devastating, yet explain Hillary's defeat:

* White voters were severely underestimated in the 2016 exit poll. They were 73.7% of the electorate, not 71% as reported by the national exit poll

* In contrast, Latinos and Asians were considerably over reported in the exit poll. Only blacks at 12% matched the exit poll findings

* The exit poll was way off in terms of white college-educated voters in comparison to white non-college educated voters. There were actually far more non-college educated whites than reported, and far fewer college-educated whites

* The white share of the eligible vote declined by 1.7% from 2012 but white participation jumped from 61% in 2012 to 64% in 2016

* If white non-educated voters had participated in same percentage as 2012, Hillary's national margin would have increased by .6%.

* If blacks had participated in same percentage as 2012, Hillary's national margin would have increased by .8%


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There is tons more stuff in there. The article doesn't specifically say it but it looks clear that whites shy away from exit pollsters while Asians and Hispanics are more eager than typical to participate

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
15. Great post. Really stunning information there!
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:39 PM
Nov 2017

White college graduates were only about 29 percent of voters, while their non-college-educated counterparts far outdistanced them at 45 percent of voters.

If more college-educated people had voted, we may have been able to overcome the major obstacles and obtained a different result.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. That link should be a separate thread
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:55 PM
Nov 2017

Stunning information, as you indicated. Best breakdown I've seen in a long time.

But since it is not positive it probably wouldn't play well.

It makes sense that the white vote was under reported because given the margin in some swing states it didn't make sense unless the white vote was higher.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
16. To be fair, if I had voted for Trump I wouldn't want to admit it either
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:40 PM
Nov 2017

But I think more seriously that difference can be explained by the mistrust encouraged by Republicans toward the media.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
17. 88% of Republicans distrust the fact checking organizations
Wed Nov 8, 2017, 11:50 PM
Nov 2017

I read that somewhere within recent days. So when Politico last fall was reporting Trump lying 72% of the time, or whatever it was, his supporters comfortably denied it.

Distrust of media and anything related.

I'm surprised Republicans haven't started their own fact checking organization, one that will evaluate everything in reverse. That's probably next on the agenda. Trump will tout it.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
23. Democrats need to be raising holy hell over voter suppression. Every time they are on the air.
Thu Nov 9, 2017, 03:00 AM
Nov 2017

And in the court room.

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