Is Leeann Tweeden a Sexual Predator?

[dbackjon]

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/18/1716798/-More-Photos-Emerging-From-Franken-Tweeden-s-USO-Tour-They-speak-for-themselves



Looks like she is assaulting the guitarist

[JI7]

1. No and neither is al Franken

[dbackjon]

4. I agree - but equal standards have to apply

This is. Añade up hit on Franken

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Hmm. I'll just wait here.

[rzemanfl]

7. Where are Oberliner, USALiberal, Pugster and the rest? Throw a piece of that popcorn at me

when they show up please.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

13. you'll probably have a long wait...

Also the lawyer who defined kissing as "bodily harm" if the kissee is deranged enough to think a kiss is akin to rape.

[rzemanfl]

19. Please pm me a link to that post. Long, long ago I went to law school

and practiced for 25 years before I decided being a beach bum was a better life.

[rzemanfl]

49. Pugster is gone. RIP Tovarich. n/t

[Orrex]

57. I miss him already

And I suspect that we'll see him again soon.

[cwydro]

48. They seem quiet.

[rzemanfl]

50. See above. Good riddance. n/t

[cwydro]

51. Somehow I figured that was coming...

Another one bites the dust.

[DonViejo]

9. Mind if I join you?

[Drahthaardogs]

3. USO shows are a bit sexually edgy

They are geared toward 18 to 24 year old men.

[SunSeeker]

43. They always have been.

[TomSlick]

5. Hmmm.

So, we're just down to the dumb photo - right?

No assault, no groping, just a dumb-ass frat party picture. Again, dumb but not career ending.

[Not Ruth]

6. Another edgy thread

[dbackjon]

11. You seem upset by the truth

[Denzil_DC]

8. Please just stop. n/t

[dbackjon]

10. Why? False claims make it harder for real assault victims

[Denzil_DC]

12. What in what you've posted proves a false claim?

Again, please just stop. Unless you really want this to dominate the agenda for the next week or more. You're doing Franken no favors.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

14. And you've done him favors?

[Denzil_DC]

15. I've respected the way he wants to conduct his response. This doesn't do that. n/t

[bagelsforbreakfast]

16. good film

[Denzil_DC]

18. So much bullshit, so little time.

You know how flinging mud ends up?

With everyone involved covered in mud.

The two protagonists have stopped slinging mud.

Franken's seat is on the line.

He gets to choose how he defends himself.

I trust his judgment way more than a yahoo on DU.

But carry on.

Let's have another week where you can't move on GD without another fucking OP about all this.

That's really going to help.

And while you're at it, look up the word "consent" in a dictionary.

If the guitarist or anybody else complains about Tweeden's conduct, then wake me up.

[oasis]

29. "Yahoo's on DU" for Franken. Gettin' it done.

[Denzil_DC]

37. If getting it done is prolonging the lifespan of this story, way to go.

Maybe check with Al how much he appreciates your "help".

[rzemanfl]

17. Isn't it like three in the morning in Scotland? n/t

[rzemanfl]

21. I saw your post above and was going to wish you a good night. Never mind. n/t

[Denzil_DC]

23. Apologies. I'm not feeling particularly civil right now.

Plus I've been a night owl since babyhood, and my work allows me the luxury of not having to worry about the clock.

[rzemanfl]

30. Actually the exchange with my "victim" was pretty hilarious.

It was all because of "Lawn Giland" in her profile. Peace.

Al knows how to take care of himself. Read his book, Giant of the Senate and you will be as confident as I am.

[Denzil_DC]

35. I used to know a guy who went by the nym Lawnguylander.

It took me months before I finally got it.

I'm a great fan of Al's writing (never saw much of his comedy over here). He's whip-smart and knows how to marshal a team (often of Harvard undergrads).

It's the fact he knows how to handle himself that gets me pissed at the attempted (and I think counterproductive) whiteknighting supposedly on his behalf.

[rzemanfl]

38. He'll be okay whatever happens on this board. It's funny, my

"victim" just turned up in another thread.

[Denzil_DC]

40. I reckon so, it's just so fucking tedious to witness without biting your tongue to a nub.

She seems OK. Forthright, different perspective. I hope she lasts.

[stevenleser]

22. I think it is you who need to take another look at this. Check out this other OP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029861640

The person who is making the accusation clearly felt that these USO tour events were raunchy affairs where people got grabby and grinded up against each other and made other moves to play to the crowd.

That was part of the entertainment. And there are multiple photos and videos that make the point.

[Denzil_DC]

25. That's not news.

It doesn't speak to the issue of consent, not least offstage.

If Franken decides to make it a hill to die on, I'll listen to him.

[stevenleser]

26. Actually it does speak to those things. Do you think these were spontaneous? No, they were planned

Just like the kiss Franken wanted her to practice. It's something he wanted to do in front of the USO crowd who would have eaten it up just like they ate up Tweeden dry humping Robin Williams.

And yes, it is news.

[Denzil_DC]

31. Oh, for fuck's sake.

Do I really have to spell this out?

The atmosphere and antics in shows have no bearing on what happens offstage.

Otherwise a stripper or lapdancer having a drink at the bar after work or making her way home would be "fair game".

Similarly, if a performer is rehearsing, they get to draw the line at what they find acceptable in that context.

And yes, again, if the aim is to "help" Franken, maybe it would be a good idea to take your lead from him.

Go have this argument with somebody who's got more patience with you, because its all been done to death over the last 48 hours or so and there are other things going on.

[stevenleser]

39. Do I need to spell this out for YOU?

The atmosphere and antics have EVERY bearing on what happens offstage. Because offstage is where those antics are practiced.

This stuff didnt just magically happen on stage. The folks all figured it out between them and then practiced it off stage and then did it on stage. Leeanne herself indicates that the kiss happened in the context of practicing a skit. Did this suddenly escape your attention?

When you put this all together, it paints a very different picture of what happened here. This isn't something that happened between office workers in the next cubicle. This happened between entertainers practicing for a raunchy exhibition, one where the accusor worked out skits where she grabbed the ass of the guitar player, grinded up against him, dry humped Robin Williams each time she introduced him (there are multiple videos of this happening at different events) and various other antics. We're supposed to believe that between comedians and actors, a skit that involved a kiss was over the line? Without all the other raunchy antics that were going on that would be hard to believe. This is acting and entertainment after all. How many movies have you seen people kiss other people?

And I dont care for what you do and don't have patience. If you can't handle the discussion stop responding.

[riverwalker]

41. Exactly

This is exactly the context. Thank you, well said.

[Beartracks]

44. Makes me think a lot of people haven't experienced the camaraderie of performers. n/t

[stevenleser]

61. Exactly. A kiss? Come on, this is ridiculous. This isn't 1920.

A kiss between performers is nothing these days. No one would think they were exceeding another performer's boundaries by coming up with a skit where there is a kiss.

[Eliot Rosewater]

54. Plan: use liberals natural characteristic trait of being DECENT and

caring against themselves by having them argue about something the cons dont give a shit about in the first place.

Cons dont respect women, at all, never have. Al Franken is a mountain of virtue compared to ALL cons.

But, they did it again, here we are arguing with each other.

[LisaL]

53. And Franken has done the skit with the kiss before, in 2003, with another performer.

There is a video of it. So the skit wasn't specifically written for her, or because Franken wanted something from her.

[stevenleser]

60. Exactly, important point. nt

[L. Coyote]

24. The question is, Is she a political predator?

Trump is the sexual predator, by his own admission. Let's not lose sight of the day of accountability that he must face.

[no_hypocrisy]

27. Just posted the Daily Kos link on F/B and got slammed by a friend

whose a dedicated democrat and feminist for slut-shaming. She said the pictures proved nothing. I say it raises doubt for the sincerity of Ms. Tweeden. I don't know what happened on the USO tour but it's more complicated than what she claims.

[democratisphere]

28. RW nutcase with zero credibility.

[LisaL]

32. Oh come on. Looks like those skits were designed to be sexy to give soldiers a show.

Doesn't mean anybody was a sexual predator.

[dbackjon]

36. That's the point

[Jim Beard]

33. There is a point to where men have to stand up and say enough. Just go after the really bad ones,

not all of us.

[CatMor]

56. I agree with you

and I'm a woman.

[Beartracks]

42. Maybe if he accused her, that would confirm her as a sexual predator.

Or does that only work the other way around?

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[loyalsister]

45. you'd have to ask him

it's not beyond the realm of possibility. If he felt uncomfortable and wanted to tell his story people should listen.

[gopiscrap]

46. wow

[Crunchy Frog]

47. The pictures and footage are certainly damning. n/t

[WeaponizedPolitics]

52. No but her claim is absolutely 100% politically motivated

I am not here to spam your board, but I saw through Tweeden's attack on Franken so quickly & so clearly I started a damned website that very day.

I'm just trying to get this out there.

https://www.weaponizedpolitics.com/home/2017/11/16/al-frankens-accuser-has-some-very-suspicious-ties.

It's a rundown of all the suspicious circumstance surrounding her allegation, neatly tucked into one place.

So enjoy.

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. thanks, yeah I said two minutes after Al denied the toungue down the throat

NOT he said she said

"well known good guy known to be truthful, faithful to his wife and an all around GREAT guy said, person connected at the hip to the worst rightwing filth on the planet including sean hannity and roger stone said"

[MFM008]

59. Me to

I rejected it from the second I saw her original presser.
Like she morphed into Roger Stone or Bannon or Hannity.

[Guilded Lilly]

58. No, but she is a vicious player in a Republican smack job.