Elizabeth May Be 'The One' -- What Do You Think?

[Vidal]

I love the way Senator Warren is standing up to Trump.

She has more integrity than anyone else.

We need her to fight for consumers against Wall Street.

We need her to stand up for women and minorities and the sick and disabled and ALL the people of this country.

PLUS: She doesn't have any sexual misconduct allegations hiding in her closet that could come out during a campaign and sink her candidacy.

What do you think?

Elizabeth Warren For President, 2020

"‘Give It Up’: Elizabeth Warren Tells Trump His Racist ‘Pocahontas’ Attacks Won’t Shut Her Up"


http://www.politicususa.com/2017/11/20/elizabeth-warren-tells-trump-racist-pocahontas-attacks-working-give-up.html

[LexVegas]

1. Nope.

[Mz Pip]

2. I agree

I’d rather have someone new.

[djg21]

93. From a fly-over State

It’s all about the electoral college, and the top of the ticket can’t be from CA, NY or the Northeast. I’m thinking it should be Hickenlooper from CO, or Sherrod Brown from Ohio. Put Gillibrand or Kamala Harris on the ticket as a VP candidate, and make the other AG or Secretary if State after we win the election.

[leftynyc]

21. Agree

Love her as a senator. She'd make a terrible candidate. I love her and still find her difficult to listen to for a long period of time. Felt the same way about Harry Reid.

[smirkymonkey]

47. I agree. She is my senator and I think she is doing a fantastic job where she is, but I also think

she would make a terrible candidate. As much as I hate to say it, she is not particularly likeable personally and her manner is grating. She has kind of a school-marmish image and I think it would really hurt her on the national stage.

[pandr32]

103. Agreed

She needs to remain where she is. She has jumped too quickly to the wrong conclusion a few times now, too. While she is not the only one to do so, we need someone more measured.
As a senator she is wonderful.

[Irish_Dem]

87. I agree. nt

[Sophia4]

41. Why not?

Why don't you think Elizabeth Warren should run in 2020?

What are your specific objections, thoughts, ideas?

[Tavarious Jackson]

81. I've never hear her speak on foreign policy.

We can't gave a prosperous domestic policy without foreign policy like trade. Trump is basically letting China rule the world and if we are not in a trade agreement out items will cost more not less. Is she anti-globalism like Bernie? I hope they all see what is happening with Trump and learn from this anti trade stuff.

[bronxiteforever]

53. I agree

[NurseJackie]

55. Agreed! She may be a scrappy fighter, but she's NOT presidential material. She's...

... much more valuable to us in the Senate. I may have been willing to consider her as being "the one" except for her hastiness in getting on Donna Brazile's smear campaign.

[jrthin]

79. Agree.

[lillypaddle]

3. me neither

[lagomorph777]

4. I like her a lot. She'd definitely get my vote.

Like any choice you might name, I don't necessarily agree with everything she says and does, but nearly everything.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Pretty much where I stand... and, yes, any Dem is a million times better...

than the POS Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief we have squatting in the White House now.

[DURHAM D]

5. No thanks.

Used to be a fan but she has miscalculated the path to the WH. So has Gillibrand. They both think it is a winning strategy to trash Democrats. They have picked the wrong enemy.

[lunamagica]

57. MTE

[chimpymustgo]

60. This

[Hortensis]

70. She could win me back, but yes to this. It's the "Sanders" left that

I suspect would develop real problems once they got more exposure to the whole Elizabeth. She's a conservative, moderate version, but leaning conservative. Sure, she's liberal on some social issues and genuinely progressive, but definitely coming from a very different place.

Among the serious reasons she did not endorse Sanders is undoubtedly the very big difference in their ideologies. Even economically they only intersect on a few large points. How long before some disagreement lead him to start castigating her as corrupt?

[monmouth4]

6. Fortunately for us, we have a plethora of great possibilities. I would definitely like to see

her in contention. She is so valuable in the Senate however, we would hate to lose her voice there.

[comradebillyboy]

7. She seems to be a one issue candidate

We need more than an anti-Wall Street message to win. Warren's appeal seems limited to the left of the Democratic party. I would also like a younger candidate.

[JayhawkSD]

12. Agreed

She is a one trick pony. Reasonable background on finance issues, and glib when it comes to trashing others, but other than that... We need somebody with a whole lot more depth.

[unblock]

8. much as i like her, i don't like looking to the senate for candidates.

she's great in the senate and will only get better once we have a majority!

we need every seat in the senate. massachusetts ought to be safe for us, especially in this environment, but why chance it? remember scott brown....

even more so i dislike looking to the senate for cabinet members.

[rzemanfl]

9. I will consult the Moose and Squirrel. n/t

[oasis]

10. I 100% support her staying in the senate.

[TreasonousBastard]

11. As much as I like her, every election a few frontrunners get all the talk but...

as we get closer to primary season, shiny new faces pop up. Let us forget about 2020 for now and spend the next year working on the midterms and keeping up the attacks on Trump.

[Salviati]

43. agreed. and we also need to lose our obsession with the white house.

The presidency is essentially a defensive position. They can block things, and occasionally move the ball forward using some trick plays, but stuff really gets done in congress. This is where we need to focus our attention.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. We need someone who is immune to caricaturing by Chump.

[leftynyc]

22. Adam Schiff

would be my pick for that. So different from donnie - calm, self assured, crazy smart. But I like Karmala Harris also.

[Raster]

31. I really like both Schiff and Harris, and I agree, we need a candidate relatively immune to...

...mischaracterization and negative caricaturing rampant in the tRump*ian GOP today. Name calling and innuendo have replaced issues campaigning. The GOP will be even more dangerous as they are backed into a corner and have their tRump*ian chickens home to roost. However, I do NOT believe Little Fingers* will be running in 2020.

[maxsolomon]

38. No such person exists

Except Putin, I suppose.

[shanny]

45. Yes, by all means, let us allow Cheeto to pre-qualify our candidate.

[highplainsdem]

14. No.

[democratisphere]

15. NO. Too far left and the voters of this country will not elect a woman POTUS now.

[shanny]

50. May need to redefine that "too far left" thingie:

check out what just happened in Oklahoma, of all places:

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/people-who-say-it-cannot-be-done-should

Normally, Democrats win districts where the PVI is D+something and Republicans win districts where the PVI is R+something. The higher the "something," the more likely that party will win. But it's not always the case.

Allison Ikley-Freeman's successful campaign for a state Senate seat in Oklahoma last week-- a seat where Trump beat Hillary 61.4-32.7%-- was in a very red district southwest of Tulsa. No one thought she had any chance at all. It's the kind of area where the DCCC always says-- and always wrongly-- that only a rich Republican-lite Blue Dog could win. But Allison is a young progressive who was outspent 3-1, campaigning on a Bernie-like platform. And she's a proud lesbian, married to an African-American.

[democratisphere]

61. Let's see what happens in 2018; I would love to see a woman President like

HRC. The "good" ol' boys in DC need to have the marrow in their bones rattled.

[shanny]

74. I don't care if we have a woman President or not

because--of course--it depends on the woman. And the policies.

I had a couple of lesbian friends back in '08 who were excited because Sarah Fucking Palin was a woman.

[Hortensis]

72. Democratisphere, Warren is a conservative.

Don't believe the "true-progressives" conceit that only they can be progressive. Warren is a progressive moderate conservative.

She was with the Republican Party all through shift to the strong right of the Reaganism period. She only leftwhen the party continued right into extremist territory. That's something I greatly admire in her simply because so few did it, but the party was already seriously corrupted and becoming inimical to the people well before then, and she should have left far sooner.

These days her voting record is among the most conservative of the Democratic caucus, which of course has a sizable minority of conservative Democrats.

But, she has a real record of achievement, of being able to make change happen, and that's important. It's the reason she's been positioned by the Democratic Senate leadership to join them as openings occur.

[DesertRat]

16. No. nt

[Iggo]

17. Absolutely, yes.

[GoCubsGo]

18. What do I think?

I think that I'm getting tired of seeing all these "Who should be our candidate in 2020?" posts coming from people with double-digit post counts. We have an election in 2018 to worry about before we have to deal with an election that is 3 years away.

Thank you, Admins, for "Trash this thread." Been using it a lot lately, as I will do as soon as I post this reply.

[FSogol]

28. +1. For some, it is never to early to start bashing any potential Democratic candidate.

The election is not going to ratfuck itself!

[GoCubsGo]

32. This is the second or third one I have seen today, and it's not even noon yet.

The previous one has already been locked, and the poster tombstoned. Hmmmmmmm...

[FSogol]

34. Yup, people(?) want to influence us. n/t

[bdamomma]

19. I heard on one

of those MSNBC shows that is who they are looking at. tRump has slandered her too, fucking jerk that he is.

[eissa]

20. Shes been my pick since Day 1

I can’t think of anyone more qualified for the office. Normally, I wouldn’t want to pick someone from Senate, but her seat is safe. Plus there’s nothing more I want than to see that buffoon lose to a woman.

[Demsrule86]

25. I don't know where people get this idea...her seat is not safe...she has had some mixed polls...

which I believe led her to make some unfortunate statements...we have had governors and Senators from Mass that were Republican...a great deal of money coming against Sen. Warren. I intend to send her money...very important we keep what we have.

[smirkymonkey]

48. And that's in MA, a very liberal state. She wouldn't have a chance nationally.

I like her as my senator, but I don't want her running for higher office.

[Demsrule86]

66. I like her too...but we need to help her win...I am not in Mass but I know the area and will call.

I am worried about my guy Sherrod Brown...lots of Koch money coming against those two.

[Bradshaw3]

85. Can you link to those mixed polls? The most recent one I found has her winning easily

I found several polls but the most recent one from five days ago had her winning easily in all the matchups:
http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/11/15/wbur-poll-baker-warren

Another poll from a few months ago she beat any repub with 60 percent of the vote:
http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/06/27/wbur-poll-warren-baker-reelection-tax-proposals

A poll from September shows her easily beating Schilling:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/09/30/elizabeth-warren-curt-schilling-senate-poll-2018-president/


Not much change in several months. 20 point leads or more in them all.


So rather than asking why people think her safe is seat we should ask why posters on DU keep saying it isn't.

[Demsrule86]

92. Here is an article...Republicans win in Mass and Elizabeth Warren needs to win re-election

in order to stop Trump. The Republican governor in Mass is still quite popular also. I don't understand why some think Mass is only liberal...there are Trump supporters there and Republicans there. I think Dems will be motivated so that helps. But let's not get to comfortable ...we still have to win. Also, I think we need Sen. Warren in the Senate. I don't think she would win a presidential election and with a Republican governor, we would get a righty Senator appointed.


http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2017/04/02/elizabeth-warren-tough-love/

[Bradshaw3]

95. That's a feature article quoting one poll that is 11 months old

No one said Mass elects only Dems. I said she is heavily favored to win reelection and the most recent polls confirm that. If others would read that article they would see that it highlights many of the positives they claim she doesn't have - positives that would make her a good presidential candidate, and that she is not a latecomer to fighting for the undedog.

[Demsrule86]

98. I have seen other things too....She is not beloved in Mass as Kennedy was.

Mass has sent Righties to the Senate and elected rightie governors as well. We assume an easy election at our own peril. The GOP is going after this seat with more than one candidate in their primary and lots of Koch money. No poll will be good enough because you have made up your mind, but there is stuff out there. We can't assume any seat is safe.

[kstewart33]

23. Not the one.

Certainly not at her best when she jumped on "the nomination was rigged" bandwagon. At least for a week or so.

However, the key issue is that she is too far left for the general population of voters. It is IMPERATIVE that we beat Trump - our democracy is at stake.

A center-left candidate has the best chances, IMHO.

[LoveMyCali]

42. Speaking of which ...

Did she ever apologize for jumping the gun on that one? No? I thought not.

[OriginalGeek]

59. She was on Colbert last night

and he asked her about it and I'm still not sure what her answer was.

I was hoping she'd be a bit more forthright.

I think I lean towards the "Great Senator" "not so much President" camp.

She reminds me a lot of my aunt - they could be sisters in appearance, same politics (although my aunt is probably farther left), same demeanor - they even sound alike when talking. My aunt is crazy-smart and I have to try hard to keep up with her sometimes. I love my aunt dearly, she is an inspiration to me and has helped keep me on the right path many times. There's not a thing in the world I wouldn't seek her advice on (Except computer equipment) but I wouldn't want her to run for president either.

But if either of them did, I'd vote for them.

[Demsrule86]

24. No I just don't think she is the one. I have not been thrilled with some of her statements of late.

[Raster]

26. No.

[awesomerwb1]

29. Nope. Not the one for me.

She's good in the Senate, happy with her staying there.

[Raster]

33. Yes.

[DetlefK]

30. She already said No 1-2 years ago. She doesn't like the toxicity of a presidential campaign.

[Lil Missy]

35. No. AND we need her right where she is.

[dlk]

36. Warren is Really Great with Financial Issues. She Has the Most to Offer in the Senate

[solara]

37. Nope

We need her voice in the Senate and I get the feeling she really does not want to throw her hat into THAT ring.

I like the idea of Schiff/Harris

[CakeGrrl]

39. Nope. Bad instincts.

Misread the TPP, continued to bash it

Didn't tamp down the ridiculous kerfuffle over President Obama calling her by her first name

Jumps on Donna Brazile's bandwagon



Too reactionary about the wrong things. The GOP would find an easy misstep or misspeak and exploit it for all it's worth.

[maxsolomon]

40. No. She is 68 now.

She will be 71 in Nov. 2020.

I love her, but we need a candidate who makes Trump look old and weak. That person should be born in the 60's, at least.

Love, DU's Foremost Ageist.

[BoneyardDem]

44. Nope, no way, no how

Keep her in the Senate...many of those idiots need a hellraiser in there.

[Kirk Lover]

46. There is no way in this world she would win a general and that's what we need to do.

[MoonRiver]

49. NO

I'm with Kamala!

[Jakes Progress]

51. Yep.

[BeyondGeography]

52. Hope she runs

There is no better voice on economic fairness in our Party. Her depth of knowledge on exactly how and why the lower 90 percent of our population has lost ground since the 70s is unsurpassed. Her passion is real and she will run circles around any other challenger on that issue, which is THE issue of the day. For that reason alone everyone should hope she runs. She will drive much more turnout and enthusiasm more than any candidate you naysayers can come up with.

[Kahuna7]

54. Nope! nt

[moondust]

56. Neoliberals won't approve.

Even some "proletarians" whose retirement savings are tied up in the stock market may not be interested in somebody who isn't especially friendly with Wall Street.

She'd have my vote.

[lunamagica]

58. No

[displacedtexan]

62. No

[lame54]

63. I like her but she has a terrible habit...

She does not answer yes/no questions
She launches into a long explanation where, by the end, she may or may not answer the question

She needs to say Yes/No and then qualify it with her lengthy answer

As it is she sounds like she is dodging the question

She was doing it on Colbert last night

[Vidal]

64. I agree

I don't like that about her either.

[brooklynite]

65. To be President, you have to be a Presidential Candidate...

What tells you that she’d be good one?

[Vinca]

67. I love her, but I fear Don would gin up the cult about her the same way he did Hillary.

We can always hope enough of the last election Trump voters regret what they did and would vote for her, but there are no guarantees it won't turn into a giant "Pocahantas" hate fest.

[noel1237]

68. She would lose to the Orange clown.

There has to be better options.

[lindysalsagal]

69. I would love to see her there, but not sure she'd gotv.

[Akoto]

71. Not until she herself wants it.

The next election is going to be a tooth and nail fight, I suspect. Whichever candidate we select needs to be able to take the abuse of the electoral campaign and come back energetic and swinging. Warren has guts, but she's already said she has a particular dislike of presidential races and how toxic they are.

She has a lot to offer where she is now, and I hope that she invests her focus into that for the time being.

[ecstatic]

75. No. nt

[shanny]

76. ??? "the One"?

Can we stop with the personality fetishes, not to mention picking candidates years in advance?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

77. May be one of the many ...

[Tavarious Jackson]

78. No. I am a Hillary voter..

Hillary beat Bernie by 4 million votes, when she sais the election was rigged.. I felt like she was talking to me and teling me I am an illegitimate voter.

[HopeAgain]

80. Who knows?

I certainly like what she stands for, but by 2020, it seems like it could be a whole different world by then.

[Quanta]

82. Love her BUT...

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She doesn't have that STAR power that we need. I remember the first time I heard Obama speak, I just KNEW he would be a powerful candidate. I remember being in the car with my very RW brother in law...around this time of year actually, and saying, "Hey have you ever heard of Barack Obama?" My very conservative relative had not. Elizabeth is wonderful and I admire her greatly, but I'd personally rather see Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Joe Kennedy III or a total newcomer come out swinging RIGHT AWAY and lay waste to the old school while being supported by the Clintons, Obamas, Bidens, etc. Just my humble opinion. And again, I LOVE Elizabeth Warren.

EDITED to add: Just watched her appearance with Stephen Colbert, and OMG, she is AMAZING!

[egduj]

83. She wouldn't get the necessary support.

She's not diplomatic enough. She has a tendency to tell it like it is, and the established find that unsettling.

She'd be great, though.

[EffieBlack]

84. No

[Bradshaw3]

86. She made the unforgivable mistake (to many here) of questioning HRC's primary win

Oh the horror. So she has gone from viable to a non-person.

She will win reelection easily and she scores well among focus groups. She would be formidable in a presidential run, despite what some detractors here think.

[Hekate]

89. She will win re-election in her home state. We need her in the Senate.

[Demsrule86]

94. When you are a Democrat and you go out of your way to attack another Democrat or the party

and to promote a false narrative that the 2016 primary was rigged which it was not...millions voted... end of story, then you show a lack of judgement. I will not support Warren in the 2020 primary, but I hope she remains in the Senate. We need her. And yes to attack Democrats is unforgivable in my opinion. Any that do it have lost any chance of getting my vote in the presidential primary. I would of course vote for whoever the eventual nominee is...but I think those that attack the party will not even come close to becoming the Democratic nominee in 2020...nor should they.

[Bradshaw3]

96. She did not go out of her way to attack anyone or promote a false narrative

She gave a one-word response to a question and to make more of it than that as some on here are doing and trying to eliminate her from consideration is ridiculous. Her body of work as a progressive Democrat is admirable and puts her at the top of the list of any presidential candidates, despite this one minor incident.

[Demsrule86]

97. I guess you missed this...the entire thing is a dealbreaker for me...she chose to say those things.

And I believe this shows poor judgement on her party... I will not vote for her in a primary, and I am betting I am not alone.

[Hekate]

88. Nope. Now what do you think our chances are at the state and local levels in 2018?

And how about 2018 Congressional elections?

[Hekate]

90. California has developed a solid phalanx of almost half a dozen in the House + Senate

You should give them a good look before fixating on just one in Massachussetts.

[herding cats]

91. She is extremely popular in her state.

But, we should have learned by now that doesn't translate to national appeal. No matter how much we might want to pretend it does.

Not everyone thinks like we do, and I'm not sure she's electable on a national level anymore.

[Arazi]

99. She probably isn't "the one" but I'd gladly vote for her if she's the candidate

[peggysue2]

100. The One is a Fiction

The One doesn't exist. There are no saviors out there that will wave a magic wand and make everything work the way we hope. The frightening but inescapable reality is that there is only . . . us, citizens to demand that leaders lead, holding them accountable when they don't.

Because that's the way a Democratic Republic operates with a reliance on a wide awake, informed and engaged public. Elizabeth Warren has proven herself a good senator. But she is not the Messiah.

Right now our attention needs to be on ensuring whoever takes the WH will have the necessary support in Congress to push through progressive legislation and fix the damage that Trump and his cronies have done and are doing.

2018 is crucial in that regard.

[blue cat]

101. No

I prefer somebody else.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

102. No

[Runningdawg]

104. Nope

[Smickey]

105. Veep makes more sense to me. nt