Manchin, Heitkamp won't rule out voting for GOP tax bill

[babylonsister]

Senate
November 28, 2017 - 12:46 PM EST
Manchin, Heitkamp won't rule out voting for GOP tax bill
By Alexander Bolton


Centrist Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) are not ruling out voting for the Senate GOP tax plan, even though the chances of them doing so appear slim.

Manchin and Heitkamp, who are both up for reelection next year, have not yet decided whether they will vote against the motion to proceed or against the bill on final passage. Both told reporters they can't say for sure until they know all the details of the legislation.

"We haven't seen the final version. We think they're still trying to find ways to get 51 votes," Manchin said.

Republican senators say they don't expect Manchin or Heitkamp to get them to the 51 votes, but they think they might support the measure in the end if the bill appears headed to President Trump's desk.

Heitkamp said "it's unfair to ask that question" when asked whether she would oppose the tax bill on final passage.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/362139-manchin-heitkamp-wont-rule-out-voting-for-gop-tax-bill?amp

[imanamerican63]

1. What can you say?

[TheDebbieDee]

27. CONSERVA-DEMS strike again!

[Fullduplexxx]

2. Wow idk everyone is hearing how bad this tax bill is but it's just rolling through

Now the dems are gonna help the cons

[Me.]

3. They'll Own It, The Cons Will Make Sure

using the words bi-partisan over and over, Why don't liberal billionaires threaten to withhold their money if they vote for it.

[Dawson Leery]

4. If they vote for it, they must face primary challenges.

I can accept their moderating stances on issues that matter to their states (coal/Dakota Pipeline).
I cannot accept this transfer of wealth to those that already have so much.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. That might be my line as well. Dont cross that one. Yeah, no, they cant do that.

[Dawson Leery]

9. It is a line for me.

[NCTraveler]

19. Well said.

It’s not acceptable for a member of the party to vote for this.

[0rganism]

6. welcome to "bi-partisan tax reform" in the Trump era

fucked, we are. well and truly. fucked.

[theaocp]

7. I'm sure there are some positives in there...

...somewhere. Defenders of these folks with the magical "D", to your posts. You know the drill.

[rickford66]

8. DINOs. Primaries for sure.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. *Ugh*

Hope Schumer has "the talk" with both of them VERY soon. Nothing good will come from voting for this POS bill or supporting any part of the Trump/GOP agenda for the American people and Republicans in their states will hate them and refuse to vote for them all the same because they still have a "D" attached to their names.


DUers in those states: You know what to do.......

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. A liberal democrat, hell a moderate Democrat cant win in WV.

So it is a big lose lose.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

14. I know

It sucks :-/ I wasn't suggesting a primary, however, just that DUers in those states burn down their phones.

[octoberlib]

12. Im tired of these Vichy Democrats.

This bill raises taxes on the poor and middle class, dismantles the ACA, cuts 25 billion dollars out of Medicare, taxes graduate students....... and tons more. Disgusting

[awesomerwb1]

16. And it will also increase the debt

Remember the debt? Yes, that thing that reps love to bitch about so much when dems are in power.

[octoberlib]

24. Bruce Bartlett, a Republican who served under both Reagan and Bush, said that

The reason they don't care about increasing the deficit is because then they can come back and claim that the debt's skyrocketing and now they're going have to cut Social Security and Medicare to fix it. Even he hates this bill and has been posting about it on Twitter numerous times a day.

Link to tweet

[bluestarone]

13. she votes for the repubs?

we voted AGAINST her for sure!!! I cannot believe this shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[awesomerwb1]

15. Toomey- R was on NPR this morning

and very eloquently laid out why this is such a great bill for EVERYONE. Suuuure.

Democracy is under attack from all sides now.

ONE MORE TIME:

REPUBLICANS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. THEIR DONORS ARE THEIR ONLY "FRIENDS".

Pardon the caps, but it's frustrating how gullible so many on here are.

[MyOwnPeace]

22. There's two.......

Toomey - the Queen of Wall Street.
Yeah, this "plan" is good - for Wall Street!

Manchin - WTF!!!!
Your people are on the bottom of the income level (remember how IQ45 won because "coal is coming back" ) and will be seriously screwed over by this "plan." If you can't make a good argument for YOUR people as to why you cannot support it - well, get the resume updated - you need a new job!

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Why? It's unpopular with voters. The only reason to vote for it would be a bribe

or an ideological belief that the rich are always taxed too much in the USA, and the poor not enough. Democratic politicians should have neither. Voters hate it; economists say it will hurt the USA overall. This ought to be a no-brainer for a Democrat, or a centrist.

Seriously, are they saying they're open to bribes, if the price is right?

[jalan48]

18. Are we to believe they are voting for it because that's what their constituents want?

[Efilroft Sul]

20. Manchin needs to take his balls out of the jar and his head out of his ass.

And vote like a real goddamn Democrat, the kind that used to stand up in West by Gawd against this tongue-bath for the rich decades ago.

[hatrack]

21. But we MUSTN'T criticize them, because on the REALLY BIG ISSUES, they'll support us, and . . .

Oh, wait . . .

BTW, Sen. Heitkamp - "unfair to ask that question?"

"Unfair" to ask how you'll vote on an incredibly damaging POS bill?

"Unfair"? Who the HELL do you think you work for?

[octoberlib]

23. This tax bill includes the really big issues and they're willing to sell their

constituents down the river if the price is right.

[COLGATE4]

25. I am so mortally tired of

these fucking DINOS.

[kentuck]

26. I wouldn't rule out voting against either of them...

if I lived in their states...

[guillaumeb]

28. Which way is the wind blowing in those 2 states?

Just asking.