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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI smell something rotten in all these sexual misconduct accusations.
Since the Roy Moore accusations. We suddenly have similar accusations on all of Trump's top whipping boys.
Democrats: Al Franken, Conyers
NBC: Matt Lauer
PBS: Charlie Rose, Garrison Keillor
Not saying these women are lying just why do we have all these accusations coming out at the same time as the Roy Moore election
and they are all people that Trump and Faux news hate?
I smell a rat. Bannon? Murdock?
On Edit: We have all the people in the entertainment industry that also supported Democrats.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)By then it's too fucking late.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Plus the article about Lauer was a two-month investigation.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,125 posts)going to be held accountable?!
Rhiannon12866
(206,724 posts)Bayard
(22,228 posts)And use it as his defense.
FarPoint
(12,481 posts)But. .the post has merit...
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Need more than accusations to convince me
yardwork
(61,772 posts)Same for the accusations against Rose. Conyers cases resulted in monetary settlements, so that's pretty compelling evidence that harassment occurred.
I haven't read up on Keillor today.
I'm not impressed with the accusations against Franken.
doc03
(35,442 posts)Had trump supporter bring it up today, they are gloating about the Fake Media and Democrats being nailed.
Roy Moore is Innocent because he denies it. Franken is guilty because he apologized. The others are guilty because they were fired.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)nonstop for 24 hours a day. Funny they dont think that Trumps sexual harassment issues were important! Wonder why?! (Rolls eyes)
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)All they have to get across is the "everybody does it" theme, and Roy Moore wins in Alabama.
no_hypocrisy
(46,300 posts)OK, OK, OK. He got caught and he shouldn't have done it.
But he was one of the loudest and most forceful voice for the democrats in the House. And the e-mail connection to be used against Hillary. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Volaris
(10,278 posts)The idjits will vote for Moore, the same way they voted for trump. They don't care about standards. They care about Power, and that's it.
JI7
(89,287 posts)In the case of lauer rose it seems like most who with them already knew.
Conyers is being investigated and what is coming out is not good and he needs to go.
Freethinker65
(10,105 posts)I can also envision a backlash against women...American/Puritan Christian Taliban style
Squinch
(51,083 posts)regular basis, this would be totally like the Salem witch trials.
If not, this has nothing in common with them.
boston bean
(36,225 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,126 posts)shouldn't be coming forward right now because it hurts us politically.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)It isn't like the witch trials because sexual harassment really freaking happens. This kind of thing is driving me crazy.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Very succinct.
Freethinker65
(10,105 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 29, 2017, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)
I sincerely hope you are correct.
My post was about how people can react in mass to believe things and how mere accusations can be used to persuade people one way or the other.
Of course sexual harassment exists (I have personal experience with it) and witches do not and never did. That was not my intended argument.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" That was not my intended argument..."
It was however, precisely the sentiment you expressed.
Freethinker65
(10,105 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Remember his interview with Trump and Hillary?
LisaL
(44,982 posts)doc03
(35,442 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)brush
(53,971 posts)He grilled Hillary on emails while throwing softball questions to trump.
BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Franken has definitely been targeted. But that no GOP Congress critters have been nailed post Weinstein is more of a function of most GOP/conservative women living by this credo:
doc03
(35,442 posts)supported Democrats.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It started with the people in the entertainment industry coming forward. The number of famous women identifying as victims was so astonishing that other women started coming forward. Thus #metoo. What is happening is people are finally talking about an institutionally protected practice. It has been so commonplace that even nice guys have been a part of it without thinking about it. We had other opportunities to talk about it, but didn't. A lot has to do with the generally accepted greater value of famous white women.
doc03
(35,442 posts)Iwasthere
(3,178 posts)Squinch
(51,083 posts)made their lives a living hell! How dare they come out with their stories NOW?"
Seriously, do you hear yourself? Because the rest of us reading this are hearing you loud and clear. It's quite disturbing.
doc03
(35,442 posts)The point of the post was that it seems strange that these accusations are only coming out against Trump's enemies.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)News sources investigated. They came forward. He denied it, and tried to spin it a few different ways. Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Squinch
(51,083 posts)I'm glad to see it finally coming out.
So, I'll wager, are most women who have experienced harassment.
bdamomma
(63,960 posts)assaulter who needs to GO is STILL sitting in the WH. He should not get off the hook.
Lots of men sexually harass women, particularly powerful men who have huge senses of entitlement and think they're above rules. And a lot of powerful men do feel that way. On both sides of the aisle.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)If I was a woman who had been sexually harassed, I would speak up right now if I could. Who knows what the climate may be in 6 months or a year or two years ?
The Republicans will eventually get their turn.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)certainly helped the republicans get closer and closer to passing this monster. Whatever the timing (and the stories seem to be very legitimate but the timing is definitely bad) the tax plan and its horrors are getting buried, and that is very unfortunate. People have no idea how bad it is and how it entails destroying Obama care among other things.
doc03
(35,442 posts)have planed a better diversion on purpose.
bdamomma
(63,960 posts)Bannon has something to do with all this.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)It's all about playing the blame game now, when it comes to the tax bill. Whichever house of Congress kills it, that's the part that gets the blame. The final bill that comes out of a House-Senate conference committee might possibly get enough votes to pass, but it will die in the Senate, where it is impossible to get 50 of the now-serving GOP Senators to agree on anything.
And that works out for the House, because the GOP'ers can go back to their districts and say, "We did OUR job," and will not be blamed, whereas the Senate GOP'ers who didn't go along, well, most of them won't face re-election until 2020 and 2022, by which time, something done or not done in 2017 will seem like ancient history.
doc03
(35,442 posts)applegrove
(118,900 posts)scandals are about sex. Moore is not about sex but is about stalking and sexual assault.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just plain ugly.
doc03
(35,442 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I find it really awful that some are casting aspersions on the fact that we are finally reaching a point where these men are being held accountable for their actions. It's a moment that is long overdue and it's not about politics.
doc03
(35,442 posts)of them are telling the truth. I just think it is kind of odd that all these people just happen to be
connected with the same people Trump considers enemies. This has taken Roy Moore and the tax ripoff
out of the news real convenient I would say. Probably all of them are getting what they deserve.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Honestly, though, I do not believe there is any relationship between the two things. I think we are just in a period where this is finally coming to light, and there is a snowball effect happening - which I am very glad about.
Now if only Trump could be held accountable for his own transgressions.
doc03
(35,442 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)That would mean someone was abused or attacked.
This is all just a game to you, isnt it?
bdamomma
(63,960 posts)I will keep on saying it, the repigs love child molesters and predators of women. That is why that pu**y grabber is squatting in the WH.
mcar
(42,465 posts)Really? Do tell.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Because they seem to be rolled out strategically, as a diversionary tactic.
Note: Not saying that the accusations arent genuine; they very well could be authentic. Its only the timing of their rollout I question.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Normal women say: #MeToo
Right wing women say: Stand by your man. Party first. To the fucking grave.
RealityChik
(382 posts)My bet is on Steve Bannon, after Roger Stone bragged it being "Al Franken's turn" in a tweet hours before the Franken story broke. All bankrolled by the Mercers.
brooklynite
(94,950 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,124 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Are you accusing these women who are coming forward of being hired prostitutes?
How is the article youve linked relative?
I really wish people would think twice before posting.
-je
(30 posts)Sometimes people can't see beyond their own headlights when driving.
Charles Kushner used a sex scandal tactic that just happened to be hiring a prostitute to try to stop witness testimony.
Key similarity is sex and scandal.
It's odd that some of the sex harassment scandals are targeted at the folks that the WH has targeted for disdain. Not saying that the events described by the news investigation didn't happen, but maybe some of the accusations could have been pushed by the WH. Then again maybe not. It is odd there's a huge flood of accusations in that vain...
Something is wrong here. I dont think its a good thing or that it will help women overall because we are seeing a public witch hunt without due process and people should be alarmed.
Dulcinea
(6,689 posts)But I can't help but think money was a factor as well. I'm sure NBC was glad to dump Lauer's $25 million contract.
Charlie Rose was probably making good money, too. Plus, he's 75. PBS was probably hoping he'd retire so they could find someone who would work cheaper.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)But whats really under attack here is our democracy and I believe this is part of the attack on it.
Orrex
(63,263 posts)Never in my life have I had an opportunity to "accidentally" slip my hand under a female coworker's shirt to touch her bare skin while attempting to "pat her on the back."
And I frankly don't care for his flippant dismissal of the incident, either. He said something like "I thought we were friends until I heard from her lawyer."
Sorry, Gary, but maybe she likewise thought that you and she were friends until you stuck your hand up her shirt.
ColoradoBlue
(104 posts)Yes, there's something rotten here. What's rotten is the countless men who have gotten away with harassing and assaulting women since, literally, time began.
We've been told that we're overreacting. He doesn't mean anything by it. She asked for it. What were you wearing at the time? Well, it's a "he said, she said" so we're going to have to go with him. The message is always, always...stay quiet and don't rock the boat because no one will believe you anyway.
But since the Harvey Weinstein news broke, it's giving women (and some men) the courage to rock (and possibly capsize) that damn boat. Years and years of frustration and not being heard are bubbling to the surface. What we're seeing right now is change. And change is often uncomfortable and doesn't always happen at the time when it's most convenient for us. So somehow it's easier to blame outside forces for orchestrating something sinister than believe that this type of sea change could happen spontaneously because millions of women are just sick and tired of this shit and we've finally got a platform to talk about it.
Anyone who truly believes and supports women should be applauding that this stuff is coming out...period...and we are FINALLY having a national conversation about it.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)That had better not be our default excuse, because it sure as hell is the GOP's.
karynnj
(59,510 posts)Looking for a list of all the Fox people who were accused, I found instead a more comprehensive list than the one you listed. Most on the left, but not all. (The Fox ones were before Weinstein) http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/29/list-of-men-in-media-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The opening salvo of a Mutually Assured Destruction among powerful sexual predators is here.
The knowledge of these incidents is not uncommon among the halls of power, and the only insurance many of these men posses from being exposed by their peers is that they can often expose the peers who would expose them for the same reasons as well.
The window to a dank, smoke-filled room has been cracked open, and if it's not closed quickly, Republican and Democrat, conservative and progressive, hated and loved men will all take a great fall without regard to party loyalty or ideology.
Approximately 75% of all women in the workplace have experienced sexual harassment (source: CDC). It would be a stunning ignorance of human history (at best) to presume the majority of these predators are wed to one or another ideology.
Oneironaut
(5,541 posts)The conspiracy charges against any inconvenient news is hackish. Our party, and the people in it, are not perfect. It is entirely possible that all of the allegations are true.
In that case, why would we want to be associated with them anyways? Well replace them with decent Democrats who wont further contribute to the bleeding of morals in this country.
Ninga
(8,282 posts)applied with a broad brush.
Not all claims are true, yet we are expected to give credence to each and everyone.
Franken: admitted Republican and anonymous claims do not add up. It smells of a hit job.
doc03
(35,442 posts)There was absolutely nothing in my post saying I doubted any of these women. I said I believe them.
The point of it was that it seems odd that all of these accusations are against people connected to
what trump calls the fake media, Democrats and the entertainment industry. But "no" people here want to use it
to attack. I still think the right wingers are behind some of these accusations especially the ones about Al Franken.