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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 04:17 PM Jan 2012

My one and only New Years prediction:

Consider what we were thinking a year ago. There had been no Arab Spring, no Wisconsin Uprising, no Occupy movement, the Tea Party types were riding high, just having won a blowout election.

Well, if you think the changes in the past year were something to marvel at, be assured that you ain't seen nothing yet. I predict that the political landscape by late October will be unlike anything you are likely to imagine from what you know this New Years Day. That is all my crystal ball is allowing me to tell you right now.

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My one and only New Years prediction: (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 OP
as long as 2012 ends with Obama as President Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #1
That'll happen regardless DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #3
oh yeah. lol Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #5
+1 nt abelenkpe Jan 2012 #4
Obama will be President at the end of 2012 csziggy Jan 2012 #10
Don't worry, a ham sandwich could bead these morons. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #14
Beading like sweat on my brow. Mira Jan 2012 #18
I felt that way about Reagan. murielm99 Jan 2012 #19
you were right of course. barbtries Jan 2012 #26
So true. Mira Jan 2012 #28
He will be. tavalon Jan 2012 #31
Those who live by the crystal ball, Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #2
and especially entitlement reform? Please tell me what exactly we need to reform? Vincardog Jan 2012 #7
"Let's be honest." Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #8
Well I honestly believe that the "Solution" to our "entitlement 'problem'" is Vincardog Jan 2012 #9
I think there are a lot of entitlements that should fall under the budget knife. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #22
Hah! I like the way you think. Bravo! I think we need a Department coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #27
Rebuilding our out-dated dotymed Jan 2012 #37
Very good point dotymed suffragette Jan 2012 #42
Are you serious...? Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #29
Do you want to be hit by the clue stick? Clue this Vincardog Jan 2012 #32
A swing and a miss...How about a dose of reality to go with your clues? Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #33
And? Your solution is to eliminate it? Vincardog Jan 2012 #34
I said that...? Are you a politician? Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #38
Once again what is your solution to the supposed "entitlement problem"? Just say it. Vincardog Jan 2012 #39
As you are aware...but perhaps I shouldn't assume...so let me say... Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #43
So you are not proposing a solution. Vincardog Jan 2012 #44
Enjoy your short stay, Frank Solish. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #15
Bawwwaaahhhh! HangOnKids Jan 2012 #40
I just don't see it RZM Jan 2012 #6
Read "The Fourth Turning" by William Strauss and Neil Howe. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #13
Actually, I'm familiar with that book, although I haven't looked at it in a long time. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #23
IMO there will be serious calls for a Constitutional Convention by September... Odin2005 Jan 2012 #11
What's your evidence for this? RZM Jan 2012 #21
There may be serious calls... Thaddeus Kosciuszko Jan 2012 #30
yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #12
thats why im here oldhippydude Jan 2012 #16
I think it's going to be a wild ride this year. Terra Alta Jan 2012 #17
I predict, when Obama wins reelection, at least one rethug will immolate themselves. WingDinger Jan 2012 #20
Can you be a little more precise? Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #24
actually oldhippydude Jan 2012 #25
I knew there were wizards in the north woods! ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #35
Laugh. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #36
the Tea Party always got more attention than they deserved JI7 Jan 2012 #41

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
10. Obama will be President at the end of 2012
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jan 2012

It's whether or not he will be President January 21, 2013 that is the question.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
18. Beading like sweat on my brow.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:31 PM
Jan 2012

I'll never forget how hard I laughed at a friend who said he worried Bush would win in 2000.
I actually used the ham sandwich analogy...my stomach cramps at the memory.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
19. I felt that way about Reagan.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jan 2012

I have never used the ham sandwich analogy since.

I don't like eating them much any more, either.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
28. So true.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 09:35 PM
Jan 2012

The fraud, the Supremes' "chosen" President, all of those things I did not consider possible.
I'm a believer now!

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
31. He will be.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jan 2012

But unless there is a sharp tack to the left, he will be as inconsequential as he has been for the last three years. The difference is that in 2008, we thought we had found our man of change. Now, we understand that we are the change we were waiting for. He will never get that one back.

Obama swept into the White House in 2008 with three choices, Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way. We all thought choice number one was the given. We were wrong. In 2012, he will again take the White House but he will only have two choices left. Though with some finessing, he can make choice number two look like choice number one.

I, for one, hope he does. Those will be his legacy years and while being the first black President will secure him a place in history, he is way better than that - that's kind of like getting a C on your final when an A was easily doable.

 
2. Those who live by the crystal ball,
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jan 2012

will one day chew on broken glass.

Congress cannot even perform its basic function (pass a budget) and we also know that there are some serious issues that require addressing in terms of long-term fiscal stability (both on the taxing and spending sides) and especially entitlement reform.

Let's be honest: the prospects for seriousness any time soon on these issues is grim, at best.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
8. "Let's be honest."
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jan 2012

That's the new tipoff today, apparently.


Off topic, of course, but I understand that the Paulistas are very honest people.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
9. Well I honestly believe that the "Solution" to our "entitlement 'problem'" is
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 04:53 PM
Jan 2012

Universal health CARE and full employment, with the Government as the employer of last resort.
The CIA hires every son of privilege f-up. Why not have the department of holes hire everyone else
either making the or filling them in?
If yu don't want millions of people making and then filling holes think if a better use for them.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
22. I think there are a lot of entitlements that should fall under the budget knife.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jan 2012

Like the entitlement of bankers to a profit, no matter what their stupid or corrupt policies net them.

Or the entitlement of the corporations to make free use of the people's resources without paying for them.

Or the entitlement of the CEOs to avoid taxes on their bonuses while turning the bonuses into tax dodges for the corporations.

Or the entitlement of the rich to use their wealth buy the political results they want.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
37. Rebuilding our out-dated
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jan 2012

and fragile electrical grid should be priority #1. Our entire infrastructure is in the worst shape possible. There are so many important jobs that must be done. By making these jobs, "government jobs" and cutting out the middlemen involved in contracting this to the public sector (and therefore enriching the elite) we could pay people a living wage and decrease some of the wealth inequality in America.
Of course by allowing insurance companies to control our medical care (or lack of) America will never prosper, only the elite.

GO OWS!

 
29. Are you serious...?
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:48 AM
Jan 2012

If so, you have not been paying very close attention. Even so, you haven't missed anything other than Democrats and Republicans taking turns kicking a can down the street.

Everyone (well I guess not everyone) knows non-discretionary (entitlement) spending is unsustainable as currently structered.
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/91161-congressional-budget-office-fiscal-policy-is-unsustainable

But neither side wants to "go first," with respect to doing something about it.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/02/gop-to-obama-on-entitlement-reform-no-seriously-you-go-first/

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
32. Do you want to be hit by the clue stick? Clue this
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 07:08 PM
Jan 2012

Let Medicare NEGOTIATE for the drugs like the VA does, Save a few billion there.
Eliminate the cap of social security, faux "problem" solved.
Neither side (both sides are owned by the rich) wants to do what need to be one.
What else you got?

 
33. A swing and a miss...How about a dose of reality to go with your clues?
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jan 2012
Neither side (both sides are owned by the rich) wants to do what need to be one.

Well, if they ain't gonna do it, and you are not appointed as Emperor, it shall remain unsustainable.

 
38. I said that...? Are you a politician?
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:04 PM
Jan 2012

For you surely possess one of the prerequisites required by that vocation. If you are a control freak and capable of telling lies as well as you misrepresent, twist and distort the words of others, you should (if you haven't already) consider that line of work.

 
43. As you are aware...but perhaps I shouldn't assume...so let me say...
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jan 2012

As you should be aware, the problem is not so much with SS as it is with Medicare and Medicaid.

The SS portion of the SS/MC tax generates ample revenue and as you mentioned, it can be tweaked to adjust for future growth. The problem is that while the MCs account for far more spending than SS, only 2.9% of the 15.3% SS/MC tax funds MC. http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/factsheets/colafacts2012.htm Fortunately, the MC portion applies to all earnings. Nevertheless, the revenue appropriated is still nowhere near enough to keep pace with the projected rate of growth in MC.

You said: Let Medicare NEGOTIATE for the drugs like the VA does, Save a few billion there.

That is no doubt a good idea. But the fact that something as sensible as that is not already in place is an excellent indicator of why the prospects for restructuring the MCs are so dismal. And then there is the problem of the hole we continue to dig that has become the fastest growing slice of the budget pie. In FY2011, the interest on our debt was $454,393,280,417.03. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm Heck, that's enough money to cover the waste, fraud and mismanagement of the MCs. But alas, we dig on...

It is not an easy problem to solve, but it is nothing compared to the political difficulty that it would entail. Democrats and Republicans dare one another to "go first." But each side knows that the other will take whatever they propose and use it to beat them like a red-headed stepchild.

So...they will continue to kick that can down the street until they arrive at the dead-end. Their solution to the problem is very similar to playing musical chairs. They don't plan to be around when the music stops playing.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
6. I just don't see it
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jan 2012

I agree that the Arab Spring was a major moment for that region. There the landscape is different. Probably for good.

But here? I think we're going through the same cycles/pendulum swings as always. Probably will shape up to be a Democratic year, but who knows. I certainly don't think entrenched ways will be all that different by the end of the year.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
13. Read "The Fourth Turning" by William Strauss and Neil Howe.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:21 PM
Jan 2012

It was published in 1997 and predicted a lot of what is going on right now. We are in a crisis similar to the Great Depression, the Civil War, and the American Revolution.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
23. Actually, I'm familiar with that book, although I haven't looked at it in a long time.
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:26 PM
Jan 2012

Thanks for the reminder.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
11. IMO there will be serious calls for a Constitutional Convention by September...
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jan 2012

...in order to constitutionally ban Corporate Personhood and get corporate money out of politics.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
21. What's your evidence for this?
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jan 2012

I see no indication at all of that. That's not to say one day there won't be a constitutional convention. But I think it's unlikely int the next decade, let alone the next year.

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
16. thats why im here
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:25 PM
Jan 2012

thanks to this site.. i know have a link to Al Jezeera English on my desk top.. Had i not been here, or been paying attention to the limited tv coverage, i would not have witnessed the glory of Wisconsin (the exceptions being MSNBC and Current tv).. and of course OWS had i not been here ,i would not have seen the birth of the movement on September 17 (happily my 65th natal birthday).. and of course the battle of Ohio, and the candidacy of Elizabeth Warren

last night when folks were setting of fire works here.. i was in zuccotti park, thanks to a streaming vidio link i found here.. another march through Manhatten complete with Bat signal..

well i might remind some of a line by our poet laureate Bob Dylan.. " and dont speak too soon for the wheels still in spin, theres no tellin to whom that its mamin".. I remember 4 years ago some pundits had it figured Rudy Giuliani for the Republican nomination, Before Joe Biden deralied his campaign with a classic throw away line.. "a noun and a verb and 911"

while this coming year is fraught with peril, i the spark has been struck.. in the end we must move forward, however haltingly to do otherwise would assure tyranny..

please a special thanks to the folks in Wisconsin.. i cried like a baby witnessing some of those Video links last winter.. firefighters in kilts, bagpipes blaring, marching into the capitol..you may never know, how you gave us hope after the teabaggers took so many offices in the last election

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
25. actually
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jan 2012

if Obama wins... watch the baggers go back to thier militia roots... and another incident like ok city

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