Picasso's ex-electrician, wife on trial over disputed cache
Source: AP
PARIS (AP) A retired electrician and his wife who once worked for Pablo Picasso are on trial beginning Tuesday over a cache of 271 creations they say were a gift from the artist.
Pierre Le Guennec and his wife say Picasso's second wife gave them a trunk full of art that they kept virtually untouched I a garage until they decided to put their affairs in order for their children in 2010. The Picasso estate describes that account as ridiculous and filed a suit for illegal possession of the works.
The pieces, which include lithographs, portraits, a watercolor and sketches, were created between 1900 and 1932.
Le Guennec claims to have worked at three of Picasso's properties in southern France, and had installed a security alarm at one of the homes.
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Vinca
(50,273 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)And wore Kenneth Jay Lane jewelry- it's trash!"
-Lou Reed
Javaman
(62,530 posts)Some people try to pick up girls they get called an asshole
This never happened to Pablo Picasso
Why he could walk down your street, girls could not resist his stare
Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole
Not like you
Now, the girls would turn the color of an avacado
When he would drive down the street in his El Dorado
Why, he was only 5'3 girls could not resist his stare
Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole
Not in New York
Some people try to pick up girls get called an asshole
This never happened to Pablo Picasso
Why he could walk down your street, girls could not resist his stare
Subsequently, Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole
Nope, Not around here
Not like you
Nuthin
The girls would turn the color of an avacado
When he would drive down the street in his El Dorado
Why, he was only 5'3 girls could not resist his stare
Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole
Not like you
Yeah, he was really something
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,464 posts)Blandocyte
(1,231 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Picasso was known to sign blank canvas so that other artists could sell their paintings as his and get more money for them. In many ways he was a true Communist "To each what they need". Just a comment that this is POSSIBLY TRUE. It may also be false but we can NOT just dismiss it because Picasso's Estate says it can not be true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Never heard that allegation about Picasso.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)On the other hand, Picasso's basic ideas were NOT that far from Dali. Through Dali did move back to Spain under Franco, something Picasso refused to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Dal%C3%AD
FSogol
(45,488 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)This is why if you get a chance to see an exhibit of great art that has been loaned from private owners, GO SEE IT. There was a Goya exhibit of just that at Boston's Museum of Fine Arts that recently closed. I beat the snow to Boston to see it because I will never have another chance in my lifetime.
We have another issue here in New Haven with the Yale University Art Gallery, a treasure trove of art. Yale is being sued by a man who claims he is the actual owner of the Night Cafe by Van Gogh. If he wins (he lost his first try), that masterpiece goes away from public view which is free to the public to see on the weekends.
I am of two minds about private ownership of great art. OTOH, private ownership has preserved great art and it is my fervent wish that such great art gets donated to a museum. And I don't want state sanctioned art.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)I had heard that Salvador Dali did, but had never heard it about Picasso until now on DU.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It seems to me that with Picasso's massive oevre he could afford to give away a lot.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Dali didn't care, but I bet Picasso never did that.
* unless I have misread everything.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)GReedDiamond
(5,313 posts)...never heard that he signed blank canvasses.
The way I'd heard it, the signed sheets were used to create poorly printed, fake Dali lithographs in supposed limited editions.
My ex-brother in law, the Ayn Rand follower, got stuck with several of those worthless Dali prints.
I remember seeing a bunch of them in a trashy thrift shop in Hollywood CA, in the early 90s. They were selling for something like 10 bucks apiece - not bad for a signed Dali! The seller admitted they were some of the Dali signed blank paper prints, and set his prices accordingly.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)Picasso's last home was a beautiful stone hermitage built in the 1600's. Picasso hired the guy to come in and fully electrify it for him, a process that can take months in a historic stone structure like that. The story is that the guy spoke with Picasso almost every day, and they became friends during the work. Toward the end of the project, Picasso's wife handed him a box containing a number of pieces as a gift and thanks for his work.
I've gone back and forth on this guys story since it came out. On one hand, Picasso was an avowed communist and Stalinist who abhored capitalism and who fervently believed in the rights of the lay worker. He was known to frequently use his name and his art to help others out when possible. As someone pointed out above, he was even known to sign blank canvases and hand them to poor artists, so they could sell them as "Picassos" to make a bit of money. He was a generous man.
On the other hand, he was always very meticulous about his art and where it went. He kept careful catalogs of his art and never let pieces go without signing them to authenticate them. Many of the pieces in this guys box are scraps and sketches that are not only uncatalogued, but unsigned. That's inconsistent with the way he did things. Some have speculated that he may have skipped signing these because they were all low-value scraps that he was giving a friend as a gift, and others have suggested that they may have gone uncatalogued because his wife gave them away so Picasso didn't have the opportunity to do so, but to hand that much unsigned material away would have been a bit uncharacteristic of him.
The only people who could answer the question definitively are both dead at this point, so we're all just speculating.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)them up off the floor. Paintings were another matter since in the prewar period they would have been considered cartoons and hence worthless.
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yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Possession is 9/10 of the law?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Thus the old saying 9/10ths of the law is possession. On the other hand any presumption can be overcome by facts. Presumption just determines who has the burden of proof.
In this case, the Electrician had access to the home of Picasso. Thus he could have STOLE the items. The items could have been lying around and the Electrician liked it and Picasso gave it to him. The items are "Etching" and other similar items NOT any real painting. Picasso may have planned to throw them all away but when his Electrician said he liked them, Picasso gave the items away.
Interesting case. Do we believe the Electrician? or not? If the court believes him, the heirs will lose, for if Picasso gave the items away, they have no claim to them. If the Court disbelieves the Electrician, then the heir's claim is easier, for the only other way for the Electrician to get these items was to steal them.
The best solution would be for the heirs to compromise. Admit nothing but pay the Electrician so much money for the items on the grounds he gives them the items. The Electrician is old and want to give something to his children and a grant of money may be enough. The items stay together as a collection, the heir get to keep control over the items and the Electricians gets something out of it. If this is litigated, everyone stand the chance of losing everything.
If it was NOT for the value of the items this case should never have gone to Court. The Electrician NEVER try to sell the items and actually approached the Picasso family on what to do with them. For that he was charged with theft. The family says a third party stole these items. It seems that there is some infighting between Picasso heirs and that is preventing any compromise. The Picasso Family story about how the items were stolen sound real, but so does the story of the Electrician. Factual Disputes like this is why we have trials. Most attorneys talk their clients out of trials and work out a win-win compromise as I proposed above, but it appears to much money is involved and the Picasso Family is to divided to compromise.
As to the Electrician, remember this is a CRIMINAL TRIAL, he would have to agree he stole the paintings and accept the jail time. Thus he has no reason to agree to such a compromise. He has to defend himself and he seems to have a good defence, he was given the items.
Also do NOT make to much about the French Civil Law rule that you are presumed guilty till proven innocent. On the face that is true, but that is only after the prosecutor has prepared his case and put it into the Dossier. All that means is based on the Evidence in the Dossier, the prosecutor had determined someone is guilty, but it is a determination that is subject to review by a judge. In many ways it is very similar to how we prosecute criminals today in the USA. The Prosecution makes up a case, bring the case to the court and in the court present the case, subject o cross examination by the Defence and the Defence own case. Unlike US prosecutions, if something is NOT in the Dossier prepared by the prosecution and provided to the Court and the Defence team, it is NOT admissible at the trial. No secret prosecution witnesses or evidence is permitted. In many ways the US has been slowly adopting the same position through the US has NOT adopted the rule that if something is NOT in the Prosecution case developed before the Trial it is barred from the Trial.
My point is the trial is technically unlike a US trial, but in many ways very similar and over time becoming more and more similar. The old saying of "Guilty until proven Innocent" is becoming more and more the American "Norm" in how most people view criminal defendants AND American Prosecutors depend on that assumption while still saying "innocent till proven guilty".
Just a comment about the trial, sounds driven by greed and inner-Picasso Family politics then anything else.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)our fight.
I would hope we would see it, but the odds are against it, altho it is possible.
Why don't we just wait and see?
happyslug
(14,779 posts)If it was NOT for such feuding this would have been resolved a long time ago. Make a deal and get on with your life.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But he insisted on cash or a check.