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swag

(26,487 posts)
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:03 AM Feb 2015

Jeb Bush just published thousands of citizens' names and email addresses

Source: The Daily Dot

By Kevin Collier on February 10, 2015

Florida governor Jeb Bush hasn’t even yet formally declared his desire to run for president in 2016, but he’s already started what appears to be a major email privacy blunder. His new project, the Jeb Emails, a massive, open database of correspondence to and from his jeb@jeb.org email address, publishes the names, messages, and email addresses of his constituents who emailed him during his eight years in office.

“I emailed Governor Bush when the state was going through the initial insurance crisis,” one woman, whose AOL email address was among those in the database, told the Daily Dot. “I have never [given authorization] to publish the emails, but then [they] never said they were confidential or proprietary property of the Governor's office. They were just emails.”

"I am fine with it on the emails concerning homeowners insurance," the woman added. Ones about "illegal immigrants," however, embarrassed her. "My feelings have changed on that subject and I wold hate to unduly upset anyone," she said.

It’s difficult to estimate how many different personal email addresses are in the database, and many come from Floridians’ work accounts. But the number is easily in the thousands and more likely in the tens of thousands. The governor’s office didn’t respond to an emailed inquiry about what information, if any, they did choose to redact, though it appears as though phone numbers have been obscured.


Read more: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/jeb-bush-email-scandal-database/

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Jeb Bush just published thousands of citizens' names and email addresses (Original Post) swag Feb 2015 OP
LOL, that's two in one week. MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #1
Jeb taking tea with the Saudi families secreted out of FL on 9/11? nashville_brook Feb 2015 #2
...on the ONLY non-military aircraft over the United States that week! George II Feb 2015 #4
I think either is possible MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #5
What was the first? Delphinus Feb 2015 #15
His CTO MynameisBlarney Feb 2015 #18
And he wants us to "trust" him with the Presidency? George II Feb 2015 #3
Keep on going Jebbie peacefreak Feb 2015 #6
Proceed, Governor. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #7
I really hope he doesn't flame out too early FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #8
Kids tiptonic Feb 2015 #9
And he's known as the smart brother! Scuba Feb 2015 #10
He might be a little smarter but he is just as evil. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #12
That's a pretty low bar ... nt TBF Feb 2015 #16
These are public records. former9thward Feb 2015 #11
No, there was nothing illegal about publishing this stuff, but Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #14
Not illegal, but very offensive. Very offensive. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #20
Florida Sunshine law makes it public csziggy Feb 2015 #29
The very FOIA law in FL mentions radicating personal data. joshcryer Feb 2015 #26
Nope. former9thward Feb 2015 #31
119.071(5) exempts SS # among many other things. joshcryer Feb 2015 #32
The OP was specifically about "releasing names and emails addresses". former9thward Feb 2015 #33
Not just the names & email addresses. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #13
There was a story here earlier about a teen who attached a Chili Beef Recipe instead of a resume. jtuck004 Feb 2015 #17
That is utterly offensive! Jeb Bush doesn't put much value on the privacy of his constituents. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #19
More Bush incompetence vkkv Feb 2015 #21
Oh, they're "useful" alright. That's how they keep getting into the White House... blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #23
The next Bush disaster is brewing. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #22
AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS Newsjock Feb 2015 #24
Seems he has as little concern f/ privacy as his brother. Panich52 Feb 2015 #25
Keep digging Jebsteryou can catch up with Walker.. or is he catching up to you.. it's all so messy Cha Feb 2015 #27
posted about this in GD napkinz Feb 2015 #34
two words sgtbenobo Feb 2015 #28
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #30

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. And he wants us to "trust" him with the Presidency?
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:32 AM
Feb 2015

Will occupying the White House give his wife free reign to smuggle as much jewelry and clothes into country, too?

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
8. I really hope he doesn't flame out too early
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:52 AM
Feb 2015

Going up agaisnt a Bush would be perfect for Democrats in 2016.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
11. These are public records.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:50 PM
Feb 2015

Anyone can access them through FOIA. Whenever I write to my city councilman there is a message saying anything can be released that is sent to the city.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
14. No, there was nothing illegal about publishing this stuff, but
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:10 PM
Feb 2015

neither was there a requirement that they do so, and it might have been wiser not to. Likely a lot of the people who wrote the emails had no notion that their email would be published (as opposed to just public, like, say, court records). Perhaps they would have chosen different words in certain instances if they had known that the messages would be published widely, and they may thus feel their trust violated.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. Not illegal, but very offensive. Very offensive.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:50 PM
Feb 2015

This faux pas demonstrates a lack of sensitivity to the feelings of others, a lack of the sense of the importance of the trust that individuals place in the officials in government that they confide in.

This is just so mean-spirited.

Jeb Bush was described as a bully in high school. This is the sort of thing a bully would do.

And Chris Christie is the same type.

But I bet if someone did this to the e-mails sent by Jeb Bush, Jeb would be furious. Who knows what he would do? He has a lot of personal power.

This is a big mistake. There will be more to come. Jeb Bush has shown his penchant for disrespect of others.

You know what would be interesting. What you said. Contact these people and find out whether they were happy with the way Jeb handled their correspondence. And then ASK JEB SPECIFICALLY ABOUT JUST WHAT HE WAS ASKED BY SPECIFICALLY NAMED PEOPLE AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTERWARD.

Let's find out whether the list is cherry-picked to make him look good.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
29. Florida Sunshine law makes it public
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:18 AM
Feb 2015

Now it is automatically "published" to a publicly accessible site. The contact form for the governor has this statement:

Under Florida law, all correspondence sent to the Governor’s Office, which is not exempt or confidential pursuant to Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes, is a public record. All public record electronic mail sent through this website will be posted to Project Sunburst at http://www.flgov.com/sunburst , and will be accessible to the public. If you do not want the public record contents of your e-mail or your e-mail address to be published on this website or to be provided to the public in response to a public records request, please do not send electronic mail to this entity.

Please be aware that personal information sent in your correspondence, such as home addresses and telephone numbers, may be posted to the Sunburst public records website.
http://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/


I'm not sure what notice was up when Jeb Bush was governor, but I know that most Florida government sites have some sort of notice and have had them for years.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
26. The very FOIA law in FL mentions radicating personal data.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:38 AM
Feb 2015

Bush's team failed to do it because they are idiots.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
31. Nope.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:53 AM
Feb 2015

This is the Florida statement:

Under Florida law, all correspondence sent to the Governor’s Office, which is not exempt or confidential pursuant to Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes, is a public record. All public record electronic mail sent through this website will be posted to Project Sunburst at http://www.flgov.com/sunburst , and will be accessible to the public. If you do not want the public record contents of your e-mail or your e-mail address to be published on this website or to be provided to the public in response to a public records request, please do not send electronic mail to this entity.

Please be aware that personal information sent in your correspondence, such as home addresses and telephone numbers, may be posted to the Sunburst public records website.


http://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
32. 119.071(5) exempts SS # among many other things.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 12:05 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0100-0199/0119/0119.html

Social security numbers held by an agency are confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. This exemption applies to social security numbers held by an agency before, on, or after the effective date of this exemption. This exemption does not supersede any federal law prohibiting the release of social security numbers or any other applicable public records exemption for social security numbers existing prior to May 13, 2002, or created thereafter.
6. Social security numbers held by an agency may be disclosed if any of the following apply:
a. The disclosure of the social security number is expressly required by federal or state law or a court order.
b. The disclosure of the social security number is necessary for the receiving agency or governmental entity to perform its duties and responsibilities.
c. The individual expressly consents in writing to the disclosure of his or her social security number.
d. The disclosure of the social security number is made to comply with the USA Patriot Act of 2001, Pub. L. No. 107-56, or Presidential Executive Order 13224.
e. The disclosure of the social security number is made to a commercial entity for the permissible uses set forth in the federal Driver’s Privacy Protection Act of 1994, 18 U.S.C. ss. 2721 et seq.; the Fair Credit Reporting Act, 15 U.S.C. ss. 1681 et seq.; or the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, 15 U.S.C. ss. 6801 et seq., provided that the authorized commercial entity complies with the requirements of this paragraph.
f. The disclosure of the social security number is for the purpose of the administration of health benefits for an agency employee or his or her dependents.
g. The disclosure of the social security number is for the purpose of the administration of a pension fund administered for the agency employee’s retirement fund, deferred compensation plan, or defined contribution plan.
h. The disclosure of the social security number is for the purpose of the administration of the Uniform Commercial Code by the office of the Secretary of State.


The idea that a data dump of that magnitude is within the FL state constitution is asinine. Even the federal level FOIA exempts SS # and many other things.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
33. The OP was specifically about "releasing names and emails addresses".
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 12:07 PM
Feb 2015

That is what I addressed and if you read the posts that is what most of the posts have been about.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
13. Not just the names & email addresses.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:00 PM
Feb 2015

The actual contents of the emails.

If it is legal to do so (and I think it would be), it would be very interesting to mine that data set as an informal way of seeing what's on people's minds--at least those people who care enough about something to email the Governor. Of course it's a highly biased sample, but that fact wouldn't matter for certain kinds of content analysis.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. That is utterly offensive! Jeb Bush doesn't put much value on the privacy of his constituents.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:49 PM
Feb 2015

What an awful thing to do.

If I write to my governor to ask for help or complain, my question or complaint is personal to me. Who in the world thought this stupid idea of publishing these e-mails without specifically asking each author of each e-mail for permission?

It's really stupid!

Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
24. AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 05:43 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/10/8013531/jeb-bush-florida-email-dump-privacy

... Some also contain the email addresses, home addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers of Florida residents.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
27. Keep digging Jebsteryou can catch up with Walker.. or is he catching up to you.. it's all so messy
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 02:56 AM
Feb 2015
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