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Judi Lynn

(160,536 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 09:19 PM Mar 2015

Boy aged 11 charged with homicide in Nashville

Source: Reuters

Boy aged 11 charged with homicide in Nashville
By Tim Ghianni
NASHVILLE Sat Mar 7, 2015 7:50pm EST


(Reuters) - An 11-year-old Nashville boy faces homicide charges stemming from the fatal shooting of a 15-year-old friend, officials said on Saturday.

The boy told Metro Nashville detectives he was playing with a gun that he had found when the older boy was shot on Thursday, police said.

The shooting took place on the front porch of the victim's home, they said.

The victim ran to a neighbor’s house for help and was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center, where he died, police said.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/08/us-usa-tennessee-boy-idUSKBN0M400E20150308?rpc=401

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Boy aged 11 charged with homicide in Nashville (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2015 OP
Again... :( Sancho Mar 2015 #1
how do you respond to people who say the 2nd amendment does not allow alp227 Mar 2015 #8
the same way azureblue Mar 2015 #9
It doesn't apply... Sancho Mar 2015 #14
sancho is trying to straddle the fence with a lot of double speak Doctor_J Mar 2015 #16
The owner of the gun is the one who should be charged. If that person cannot be found, it still is enough Mar 2015 #2
That is so sad JonLP24 Mar 2015 #3
I don't need to know anything more than his age marym625 Mar 2015 #7
I agree on that point JonLP24 Mar 2015 #12
I hope so marym625 Mar 2015 #13
This child is being charged? WTF! Chemisse Mar 2015 #4
.... 840high Mar 2015 #5
Agreed sakabatou Mar 2015 #10
anything to pretend mopinko Mar 2015 #15
But parents in Tennessee get away with their kids killing each other marym625 Mar 2015 #6
Proper secured storage is a good thing. ManiacJoe Mar 2015 #11
There's no excuse for an 11yo not knowing how to handle a firearm. ileus Mar 2015 #17
Taught, but not necessarily retained unless periodically enforced. Lars39 Mar 2015 #18

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
1. Again... :(
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 09:41 PM
Mar 2015

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
8. how do you respond to people who say the 2nd amendment does not allow
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:59 AM
Mar 2015

for over half of this stuff? they feel that if the constitution says it's a right, no license should be necessary.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
9. the same way
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:16 AM
Mar 2015

you respond with why do they ignore the first phrase of the 2nd amendment ----- especially the "well regulated" part. Regulated refers not only to people in a militia but to the guns themselves...

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
14. It doesn't apply...
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 09:18 AM
Mar 2015

states already have carry permits and courts have already held they are legal. Legal arguments are not an issue if states wanted to have reasonable restrictions, they could. This is no more than a version of the current permits.

Clearly, it's possible to keep guns away from children, unstable people, and criminals. The only question is HOW to do it.

If you have a better way than a permit or license, then let me know. This license does not mention or restrict any particular kind of gun, does not require keeping a national database, does not require a background check at the point of sale.

Do you object to a 5 year old having their own loaded gun? Do you think the 2nd says that a person who was just arrested 5 times for threatening others should be able to buy any gun they want? How about someone who is saying they are going to commit suicide and take everyone else with them?

Obviously, states laws can and do restrict gun purchases and use now! All I'm suggesting is that we quit letting dangerous people have easy access to guns.

Unless you think our constitution allows anyone to do whatever they want, how would you keep some people away from guns?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
16. sancho is trying to straddle the fence with a lot of double speak
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:07 PM
Mar 2015

The gunsters almost always claim that we just need to enforce the laws we have. Until a tragedy like this, at which point they suddenly come up with a long list of additional laws that the nra will never allow to pass.

enough

(13,259 posts)
2. The owner of the gun is the one who should be charged. If that person cannot be found, it still is
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 10:30 PM
Mar 2015

not the responsibility of the child. Apparently, we would rather charge children with homicide than face the true responsibility.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. That is so sad
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 10:37 PM
Mar 2015

I can't comment because there are a million things I don't know. Detectives say the boy said he was "playing with a gun". Like a toy as he didn't know it was loaded or lacks details. Homicide charges doesn't necessarily mean murder, either way -- very depressing.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. I don't need to know anything more than his age
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:51 AM
Mar 2015

To know he shouldn't be charged as an adult. That's horrific.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
12. I agree on that point
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:25 AM
Mar 2015

I just meant regarding judgments over the situation or the child. I don't know anything from from the parents, children, people in their lives or the set of circumstances that led to this. If it is an accidental shooting than it is even more horrific they're charging him as an adult, I know sometimes adults are cut a break when they do this. Sometimes, it is a cop @ home that does this since they usually have a firearm or Dick Cheney.

All I know is this very sad and a lot of lives were ruined, hopefully the child receives adequate representation because a common sense attorney should probably be able to talk this down to basically nothing hopefully.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. I hope so
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:58 AM
Mar 2015

I can't understand why any child that young can be charged as an adult. Make sure me sick. Physically ill

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
4. This child is being charged? WTF!
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
Mar 2015

The owner of this gun should be charged. Why did he or she leave it out - loaded - where a child could find it?

This is outrageous. The 11-year-old is likely traumatized enough by the death of his friend - and the guilt - but to then be tossed in jail and charged with murder?!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
6. But parents in Tennessee get away with their kids killing each other
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:50 AM
Mar 2015

With found guns.

Wtf have we become? This is horrible. Every single part of it.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
17. There's no excuse for an 11yo not knowing how to handle a firearm.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:33 PM
Mar 2015

The rules aren't that hard to follow....rule #1 can be taught to 5yos.


Lars39

(26,109 posts)
18. Taught, but not necessarily retained unless periodically enforced.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:42 PM
Mar 2015

And periodically could mean several times a day depending on the child. Brushing teeth comes to mind. And a child sees a tooth brush probably every time they go into the bathroom at home. Guns? Not so much.

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