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TomClash

(11,344 posts)
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 08:56 AM Apr 2012

Iran starts cloning of American spy drone

Source: RT

Iran has completed reverse-engineering of the captured US spy drone and has started building its own copy, Iranian media reports.

The Revolutionary Guard is yet to decode parts of the software the Sentinel aircraft uses, General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, who heads the force’s aerospace division, said on Sunday.

"The Americans should be aware to what extent we have infiltrated the plane," Iranian Fars news agency quoted the general as saying. "Our experts have a full understanding of its components and programs."

The Pentagon stated that the drone’s security will prevent Iranian engineers from cracking its technology.
Tehran has already copied the Sentinel – as a toy, and sent one to the US as a mocking response to America’s request to hand over the aircraft.

Iran announced capturing RQ-170 Sentinel surveillance UAV in December 2011. The US believed that the aircraft crashed in Iran’s desolate mountainous area, but apparently Iranian military managed to hack into the drone’s control system and bring it down.

Earlier this week Tehran said a number of nations approached Iran over possible sharing of military technology it may have developed through studying its drone prize. China and Russia reportedly showed the most interest.

Read more: http://rt.com/news/iran-spy-drone-copy-667/

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Iran starts cloning of American spy drone (Original Post) TomClash Apr 2012 OP
Du rec. Nt xchrom Apr 2012 #1
Arent these drones though largely built with most off the shelf parts and cstanleytech Apr 2012 #2
I am skeptical. This article looks speculative... Kolesar Apr 2012 #5
The source is RT, Russia Today, Kremlin funded propaganda outlet. NT reACTIONary Apr 2012 #32
Bit silly for the Pentagon to claim they can't be copied as well, isn't it? mbperrin Apr 2012 #12
They might have meant the software if it was encrypted also if its made out of cstanleytech Apr 2012 #28
They might have. They also might not want me to know that it's not much more mbperrin Apr 2012 #40
Now I cant get the image out of my head that they also installed an mp3 player with the beach boys cstanleytech Apr 2012 #41
Shucks, I was hoping for All Along the Watchtower! :) nt mbperrin Apr 2012 #44
Enjoy those views of Iraq and Afghanistan. sofa king Apr 2012 #3
And the stupid race for drones has begun... Amonester Apr 2012 #4
We must maintain Drone Superiority to prevent a Drone Gap NBachers Apr 2012 #9
The Mosquito Drones (TM) will inject GPS-microchips under your skin so... Amonester Apr 2012 #15
Shop Vac. BTW what you describe is, in fact, being studied saras Apr 2012 #23
Finders keepers law I presume. n/t kickysnana Apr 2012 #6
On and on the drums of war beat. obxhead Apr 2012 #7
The chickenhawks are very determined Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #18
What's the difference between an RC plane and a drone? Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #8
The price. Thor_MN Apr 2012 #27
and nineteen50 Apr 2012 #10
Any bets as to how long it flies before crashing? Archae Apr 2012 #11
Yah, it is sooooo dificult to make remote control planes harun Apr 2012 #13
Not so sure about that. Flatulo Apr 2012 #20
As someone who knows folks who make them... reACTIONary Apr 2012 #33
Probably not. RC Apr 2012 #14
Except the configuration of this particular drone is different. Archae Apr 2012 #17
Why? ronnie624 Apr 2012 #16
No, but I would expect the drone's firmware to be heavily encrypted. Nt Flatulo Apr 2012 #21
This has never stopped anyone else before, including grad students. Why now? saras Apr 2012 #24
Not sure which incident you're referring to... Flatulo Apr 2012 #29
Iran (aka "Persia") has been around a fuck of a lot longer than coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #22
Not at all, but we do spend over 100 times what they do on defense. Flatulo Apr 2012 #30
On what? Toilet seats? Amonester Apr 2012 #31
Best in the world. Guaranteed to not freeze your arse off. Flatulo Apr 2012 #36
Iranians have some very good engineers and technicians.... reACTIONary Apr 2012 #34
Depends on the materials jberryhill Apr 2012 #42
All they have to do now is have China manufacture these itsrobert Apr 2012 #19
Game of Drones? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #25
When you play the game of drones... Duer 157099 Apr 2012 #26
LOL. Iran couldn't even mock up the landing gear. Robb Apr 2012 #35
They did a pretty good job hacking it and then landing it got root Apr 2012 #37
Whatever you say. Robb Apr 2012 #38
There is no evidence they hacked it. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #39
If you want to believe that. jberryhill Apr 2012 #43

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
2. Arent these drones though largely built with most off the shelf parts and
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 09:07 AM
Apr 2012

technology thats decades old? If so then its kinda silly imo for them to be trumpeting their horns about "reverse engineering" anything.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
12. Bit silly for the Pentagon to claim they can't be copied as well, isn't it?
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:14 AM
Apr 2012

So the killing will continue to protect the silliness.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
28. They might have meant the software if it was encrypted also if its made out of
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 06:07 PM
Apr 2012

some composites it might be hard for Iran to figure out how to manufacture them on their own unless of course china and or russian provide them "assistance" in that area.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
40. They might have. They also might not want me to know that it's not much more
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 06:52 PM
Apr 2012

complex than an RC plane and a surfboard composite, cause we paid a LOT a LOT a LOT for these things.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
41. Now I cant get the image out of my head that they also installed an mp3 player with the beach boys
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 06:55 PM
Apr 2012

music in it, thanks

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
9. We must maintain Drone Superiority to prevent a Drone Gap
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:07 AM
Apr 2012

I'm waiting for the small advertising bumbledrones that will hover around you like flies. Swat one down and there's a huge corporate penalty to pay.

Capture one, hack back into the system, and make them stalk & harass everyone to vote Republican.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
15. The Mosquito Drones (TM) will inject GPS-microchips under your skin so...
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:46 AM
Apr 2012

Big Brother (TM) will always 'know where you've been' coming soon.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
18. The chickenhawks are very determined
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 12:19 PM
Apr 2012

they haven't finished their axis of evil thing.

They are not going to use any more of our money for war unless it is really necessary.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
27. The price.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 04:20 PM
Apr 2012

A RC plane is a relatively cheap aircraft that you buy if you enjoy the hobby. A drone is a very expensive aircraft that you are forced to buy because the military enjoys spending your money. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same thing.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
20. Not so sure about that.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 12:57 PM
Apr 2012

The batwing shape is inherently unstable and can't fly without hundreds of corrections per second to the aircraft's control surfaces. to do that, they'd have to crack the drone's firmware which is surely something that would be heavily encrypted.

I haven't seen this shape as an RC model. The Iranian regime has a gift for hyperbole and self-prpmoting propaganda.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
33. As someone who knows folks who make them...
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 09:30 PM
Apr 2012

...I can tell you that it certainly is hard to make them. Very difficult.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
14. Probably not.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:43 AM
Apr 2012

Drones are aircraft, after all and the fundamentals of both flight and the remote control of same are well understood. The only thing "secret" here is the software controlling their autonomy.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
17. Except the configuration of this particular drone is different.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 12:14 PM
Apr 2012

It needs major computers just to be stable.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
16. Why?
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:48 AM
Apr 2012

Why would Iranians be incapable of understanding, developing or copying technologies? Are their brains smaller than those of Americans?

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
29. Not sure which incident you're referring to...
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 07:59 PM
Apr 2012

A few years ago, Iraqi resistance was able to intercept live video feed from an American drone, but that video feed was not encrypted. Hopefully we've learned from that.

Encrypted data is very hard to crack. The NSA can do it by brute force using supercomputing clusters that the Iranians can only dream about. Not because they're dumber than us (I know a lot of first rate Iranian engineers), but because our defense budget is about 1000x larger than theirs.

Then again, who knows?

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
22. Iran (aka "Persia") has been around a fuck of a lot longer than
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:03 PM
Apr 2012

the U.S.A. Um, we're talking all the way back to classical Greece if not earlier. As an Islamic culture, it has existed since roughly 700 A.D., IIRC. America is just current events to Persians.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
30. Not at all, but we do spend over 100 times what they do on defense.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 08:09 PM
Apr 2012

Some things are pretty hard to do. The Iranians certainly understand how an atomic bomb works, but they are 70 years behind us because we threw 100,000 people and $20t in todays dollars at the problem.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
34. Iranians have some very good engineers and technicians....
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 09:36 PM
Apr 2012

... intelligent and well educated. But they don't have the industrial base and same level of manufacturing capability and experience as we, and other Western industrial nations do. That counts for a great deal.

Doesn't mean they won't get there eventually, however.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
42. Depends on the materials
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 08:16 PM
Apr 2012

Being able to analyze the composition of some composites, and being able to manufacture them, is not the same thing.

There's nothing magic about making a remote control airplane, but making one of this particular type and capabilities is a little tricky, and not all of the tricks are made apparent by taking it apart.

 

got root

(425 posts)
37. They did a pretty good job hacking it and then landing it
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:13 PM
Apr 2012

I'm sure the landing gear wont give then too much trouble.

Wonder how long before we see drones from every nation dealing our version of international justice?

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