Mormon leaders decry same-sex marriage and 'counterfeit lifestyles'

[Surya Gayatri]

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Source: The Guardian

Mormon leaders once again used their semiannual conference to outline the faith’s commitment to the belief that marriage is an institution exclusive to a man and a woman.

L Tom Perry, a high-ranking church leader, cautioned Mormons Saturday not to be swayed by a world filled with media and entertainment that makes the minority seem like the majority and tries to make mainstream values seem obsolete.


Boyd Packer, left, and L. Tom Perry of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wait for the start of the first session of the 185th Annual General Conference. Photograph: George Frey/Reuters

Perry said strong, traditional families are the basic units of a stable society, a stable economy and a stable culture of values. He said the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would continue to be a leading voice on the issue.

“We want our voice to be heard against all of the counterfeit and alternative lifestyles that try to replace the family organization that God Himself established,” said Perry, a member of the faith’s Quorum of the Twelve.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/04/mormon-leaders-same-sex-marriage

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Breaking: Mormon Church reconfirms its status as a homophobic, retrograde institution.

And, Utah just 'happens' to be among the most RW, reactionary states in the US. Hummm!

Mitt Romney was most likely present and accounted for, as a high-level church governor.

You know, these people are pernicious just because they appear so red-blooded and all-American.

[blkmusclmachine]

1. Marriage should be between 1 man and 1 woman. And another woman. And another woman. And another ...

[Jamastiene]

40. and her sister and yer daughter and granddaughter

and her other sister and all the nieces and grandnieces. Bonus if you live long enough. You can marry your great granddaughter. Helluva family structure their God set out for them.

[hollysmom]

2. I thought the Mormons just made peace with the gay

they just couldn't go in certain rooms or be high priests

[rpannier]

3. Interesting question

Wonder if this is in response to that
More often than not, as organizations move forward, there are entrenched persons, groups. bodies that cling to their dying 'values'

The men in the picture look old enough to have walked the earth at the same time as the apostles

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Rear guard action, as younger members of the flock

begin to question the entrenched bigotry?

[mpcamb]

44. Just looked up the ages of the guys pictured: born 1924, 1922.

[merrily]

20. I thought so, too. They seem to have regressed quickly.

[still_one]

27. I don't know about that. They were a major for in favor of Proposition 8 in California

In fairness, they were not the only religious group who took that position

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)

"Religious organizations
The Roman Catholic Church,[62] as well as a Roman Catholic lay fraternal organization, the Knights of Columbus,[63] firmly supported the measure. The bishops of the California Catholic Conference released a statement supporting the proposition,[64] a position met with mixed reactions among church members, including clergy.[65][66]

George Hugh Niederauer as Archbishop of San Francisco campaigned in 2008 in favor of the Proposition, and claimed to have been instrumental in forging alliances between Catholics and Mormons to support the measure.[67] His successor, Salvatore Cordileone was regarded as instrumental in devising the initiative. Campaign finance records show he personally gave at least $6,000 to back the voter-approved ban[68] and was instrumental in raising $1.5 million to put the proposition on the ballot.[69] Subsequently as Cardinal archbishop of San Francisco, he has called publicly for an amendment to the US Constitution as "the only remedy in law against judicial activism" following the number of state same-sex marriage bans struck down by federal judges. He also attended and addressed the audience at the "March for Marriage", a rally opposing marriage for same-sex couples, in Washington, D.C. in June 2014.[70]

In California's 2008 election the Knights of Columbus attracted media attention when they donated more than $1.4 million to Proposition 8.[71] The Order was the largest financial supporter of the successful effort to maintain a legal definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.[72]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[73][74][75] (the LDS Church or, informally, the Mormon Church), also publicly supported the proposition. The First Presidency of the church announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter intended to be read in every congregation in California. In this letter, church members were encouraged to "do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time."[73] The church produced and broadcast to its congregations a program describing the support of the Proposition, and describing the timeline it proposes for what it describes as grassroots efforts to support the Proposition.[76] Local church leaders set organizational and monetary goals for their membership—sometimes quite specific—to fulfill this call.[77][78] The response of church members to their leadership's appeals to donate money and volunteer time was very supportive,[79] such that Latter-day Saints provided a significant source for financial donations in support of the proposition, both inside and outside the State of California.[80] LDS members contributed over $20 million,[81] about 45% of out-of-state contributions to ProtectMarriage.com came from Utah, over three times more than any other state.[82] ProtectMarriage, the official proponent of Proposition 8, estimates that about half the donations they received came from Mormon sources, and that LDS church members made up somewhere between 80% and 90% of the volunteers for early door-to-door canvassing.[83]

Other religious organizations that supported Proposition 8 include the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,[84] Eastern Orthodox Church,[85] a group of Evangelical Christians led by Jim Garlow and Miles McPherson,[86] American Family Association, Focus on the Family[87] and the National Organization for Marriage.[88] Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, also endorsed the measure.[89]

[hollysmom]

37. yes, they were involved with that, but there was a release a few months ago saying the church was g

I know that some of the more famous members were pushing for acceptance. like Marie Osmond. edited to correct 0 her daughter wis gay.

[still_one]

38. Will, it appears there is disent in their ranks then

[Jamastiene]

41. Of course there are always dissenters, but

they obviously don't make up the majority in leadership.

[peacebird]

56. I think they were saying that in advance of Mittens running for pres again, but when he decided

not to run, they reverted to their real belief.

[rpannier]

4. I thought George Romney was dead

from OP: George Romney was most likely present and accounted for, as a high-level church governor.

[Surya Gayatri]

9. D'uh, it was 6h30 when I posted that. Wasn't awake yet...

Thanks for the heads-up!

TBS, George's ghost may have been roaming the hallowed halls...

[Brother Buzz]

5. I thought Mitt Romey's 'Mom' pants were bad until I saw Boyd Packer's pants

I guess the further up in the hierarchy, the higher the belt line. I bet his fly must be 18" - 20" inches long.

[Surya Gayatri]

13. You, baaaaad! LOL!

[Brother Buzz]

16. I understand when they reach his armpits...

he'll be awarded his own planet.

[Surya Gayatri]

19. I believe that IS part of the Mormon promise of salvation, yes...

[Brother Buzz]

25. So, salvation comes with hiking up your pants?

General Larry Platt may have been onto something

[Sunlei]

26. interesting how similar the(male dominated) Mormon & Islamic 'salvation stories' are

imo, the original man who started that religion could read, and had a couple books to get ideas from. or else one or a couple of his earliest followers could read & write for him. guess a bible, Egyptian book and a Koran and to much time on his hands.

[awoke_in_2003]

30. Ed Grimley must be king

http://m.

[bluestateguy]

6. Mormons lecturing us about the sanctity of marriage

Um, OK.

[Surya Gayatri]

14. If marriage is primarily for reproduction, they know

their stuff! BIG LOVE!

[Sunlei]

7. yes, we all saw how the mormons & romney himself spent huge to discriminate against Ca. gays.

was the only part of romneys IRS report 'leaked' , the $10,000 'donation' to help continue his cult-churches gay hate.

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Morman pockets seem to be very deep when it comes

to backing their RW agenda. Bottomless, even.

[davidpdx]

8. Their version of the bible must have exception to love thye neighbor

As long as he/she is not:

1) a race other than white
2) a single parent
3) a gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, or transvestite
4) had or thought about having pre-marital sex
5) only had one wife
6) doesn't wear special underwear

[Surya Gayatri]

11. Especially the underwear...that's the sign of the truly 'chosen ones'.

[davidpdx]

42. Well I couldn't very well forget the underwear

Whether that is a sign that they are truly the chosen ones 'depends'.

[Surya Gayatri]

47. Oh, go on with ya'...

[davidpdx]

68. I finally got some excitement in my life for once

*Pass a drink* I'm drinking a screwdriver tonight. Bought a big bottle of vodka and have decided I need to start drinking more often.

[Surya Gayatri]

69. Latest medical findings back you up...

'...drinking more often' (in moderation) is good for you.

But, don't over do!

[Iliyah]

23. Mia Love - house rep.

Lets see some mixed babies!

[davidpdx]

43. She's a token AA

They have to have at least one so they can claim they aren't the racist motherfuckers they really are.

[MADem]

15. Well, there are haters in this world. What do we know about them?

[Politicalboi]

18. LOL!

I didn't see your picture there till I posted mine. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw their picture.

[MADem]

21. Great minds, Politicalboi, great minds!!!!!!

First thing that hit me when I saw "Old Fools + Red Velvet!!!"

[Politicalboi]

17. Is this a rerun or remake

<a href="http://imgur.com/ZrqqK8E"><img src="" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

[Surya Gayatri]

22. Hey, guys - yes you, Politicalboi and MADem, you're

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being 'ageist' here.

You seem to be implying that, just because these gentlemen are a little decrepit and wrinkley, that they are bigotted, hate-filled old toads.

I sincerely hope that wasn't your intention.

[DreamGypsy]

24. Talk about a conterfeit and alternative lifestyle ...

... can you imagine anything more extreme and disgusting than this...

[Surya Gayatri]

28. These are the venerated church elders...who benevolently

and benignly counsel their flock.

Cast not aspersions!

[vlakitti]

35. This picture is a joke, right?

The Hebrew Bible ("Old Testament&quot marriage norm was between some rich guy and all the wives, girlfriends, mistresses, etc. and all the children he could afford.

It's called polygamy, it's the norm in human society (or was until a couple hundred years ago) everywhere in the world and was the source for Mormon polygamy.

These old coots need to get off everyone's backs.

[Chicago1980]

29. It's not a religion...

It's a cult...

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Dumb... Dumb... Dumb... Dumb... DUMB!!!

[Surya Gayatri]

31. Go tell that to one of its most famous proponents...

Mitt will get his special undies in a twist.

[SoapBox]

32. Those guys are just,

Creepy!

So that's a couple of the old men that run the Cult...like I said, creepy.

[jmowreader]

33. Speaking of "counterfeit lifestyles"...

Shall we talk about the planet Kolob now, or wait till tomorrow morning during your Sunday meeting?

[Surya Gayatri]

34. And, just what do you have against the planet Kolob?

That's where the bearded white guy lives at the end of the 6,000-year-old universe.

[F4lconF16]

36. My town I grew up in had a high percentage of mormons.

As did my high school band, with whom I spent most of my time--the director, many of the colorguard, etc. Thankfully they had no problem with gay people whatsoever. The colorguard instructor was flamboyantly gay. There were a number of us in the band as well. If the director heard anti-gay comments, I'm confident he would have said something, and been very clear about it, too.

The problem is that they support the church. Financially and otherwise. They continued going, they supported the church leadership which was anti-gay. And this is where my problems with them began (as with my problems with most liberal believers do). They legitimized and supported an institution that caused very real and often direct harm to others. Somehow they never made the connection, and it was unfortunate.

Idk, I'm too tired at the moment to make a coherent argument against them. But I am tired of liberal religious believers making excuses for the reasons that their church is anti-progressive. I am simply tired of it.

[Jamastiene]

39. I decry those Mormon leaders back for their bigotry and raise them a

giant fuck you.

Aren't they the ones that believe a space ship is coming to get them one day? Or was that Scientology. It's hard to tell half these cults apart.

[Surya Gayatri]

52. No, the promised trip to the planet KOLOB is reserved for those

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who pay their Church of Scientology dues.

ETA:
I may be wrong about KOLOB specifically, but both of these weird belief systems involve ending up somewhere out in space, AFAIN.

And, I refuse to give clicks to any of their websites by going to look.

[WinkyDink]

45. This is from "The Onion," right? Because.....polygamy!

[Surya Gayatri]

46. Sadly, no...from the venerable Guardian!

[fredamae]

48. What, Mormons don't

like the intrusion and competition of Same Sex Marriages interfering in their lifestyle of practicing Polygamy, and day-to-day operations in their Brothels and Casinos while dictating to the masses their style of "christianity", as they simultaneoulsy condemn Prostitutes and Gamblers who make and keep Them wealthy?????

Sounds about right....

[CanonRay]

49. Bunch of geriatric rich white guys

who really gives a crap what they think.

[Blue Idaho]

50. Mormonism is a Cult

It was started by a womanizing kook who was looking for a fast buck. He was not the only charlatan trying to whip up a new religion during the Second Great Awakening back in the early 1800s. Today the Mormons are an economic powerhouse - unfortunately they are spiritually bankrupt.

Hating gays is just one of the many bizzare ideas held by the LDS church.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. I find interesting parallels between his 'revelations'

and those of L. Ron Hubbard. (Church of Scientology, so called.)

[treestar]

53. Ironic

This is the sect where it was relatively recently between one man and several women.

[SwankyXomb]

54. Hey, the Mormons are just like the Pilgrims

in that they kept getting run out of decent places for trying to establish a theocratic state, with themselves at the top of course.

[Helen Borg]

55. Because Mormonism is not counterfeit, but well grounded in reality...

[marshall]

57. Give them another 15 years of evolution

the oligarchy is around 20 years behind the mainstream. The cultural attitude in this area has undergone rapid evolution--it has been a short three years since President Obama voiced his shift in opinion about marriage equality.

[Surya Gayatri]

58. Yes, the millenials will be different.

See here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141059115#post12

[Adrahil]

59. Mormons shouldn't be criticizing counterfeit anything....

Book of Abraham anyone?

[Dont call me Shirley]

60. Why should you lead the world with your counterfeit beliefs! Mormons?

[valerief]

61. Breaking News: Non-Mormon leaders decry Mormonism. nt

[workinclasszero]

62. Is that one man and one woman

or one man and a hundred women oh wise mormon leaders?

What an embarrassment that a pretend Christan church founded by a sex pervert is lecturing the US on the right way to do ANYTHING!

STFU and sit the fuck down idiot Mormon cult, okthanx

[Bluenorthwest]

63. Well they certainly look energized by their glorious faith in that photo....

LDS was openly and stark ravingly racist until the late 1970's, it was openly racist when Mitt was a missionary of the faith.
And when I say racist, I mean 'the negro is inferior to whites and cursed by God' racists. The quotations from other men holding the 'Apostle' role are really staggeringly offensive.

[Zorra]

64. Boyd and Tom are so pale that they look like they've been dead for quite awhile.

I suspect that they have been.

[WestSeattle2]

65. This coming from folks who wear magic underwear. Got it.

[JI7]

66. is that one guy dead in the pic ?

And the other one looks near it

[BigDemVoter]

67. Wow. I never knew I was living a "counterfeit" lifestyle!