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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:40 PM Apr 2015

Obama says ‘days of meddling’ in Latin America are past

Source: BBC News

Obama says ‘days of meddling’ in Latin America are past
18 minutes ago



US President Barack Obama has told Latin American leaders that the days when his country could freely interfere in regional affairs are past.

He was speaking just before the seventh Summit of the Americas was due to kick off in Panama City.

Mr Obama and Cuban leader Raul Castro will meet face-to-face for the first time since a December detente. But their much-anticipated meeting could be overshadowed by tensions between the US and Venezuela.

Mr Obama told a forum of civil society leaders in Panama City that "the days in which our agenda in this hemisphere presumed that the United States could meddle with impunity, those days are past".

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-32261550

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Obama says ‘days of meddling’ in Latin America are past (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2015 OP
Unless it's Venezuela. n/t leveymg Apr 2015 #1
+1. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #27
+2 L0oniX Apr 2015 #32
No need to meddle in Venezuela FLPanhandle Apr 2015 #35
Well yeah! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #41
^ this. nt TBF Apr 2015 #46
Venezuela or burrowowl Apr 2015 #47
Absolutely. Just pretend Venezuela's not even really there during press briefings. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #2
Unless a republican president gets elected project_bluebook Apr 2015 #3
No kidding! That's their idea of heaven, making life a never ending nightmare for poor people. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #18
Yep, they'll be hauling out their torture equipment again in the Americas, to get back to business. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #50
He actually said 'with impunity' rpannier Apr 2015 #4
It's different from plain meddling. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #28
Would deliberately inventing some excuse and provoking a small nation so that we Cal33 Apr 2015 #29
Yes, yes. Larry Engels Apr 2015 #31
this time we're meddling without going through the cartels MisterP Apr 2015 #45
Hah! Reminds me a little of "We tortured some folks." RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #5
+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #7
That's for sure. They've been teaching LaTam military people how to torture at the S.O.A. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #19
Yes, but wasn't S.O.A. tastefully "rebranded"? RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #23
+2 L0oniX Apr 2015 #33
He really said that? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #6
What a cut-up! n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #20
When I see that the situation... americannightmare Apr 2015 #8
The unstable situation in Venezuela was brought by their own governments incomptence and corruption Marksman_91 Apr 2015 #26
he's gotten to be a first class bullshitter Doctor_J Apr 2015 #9
Was he talking to all of them? jwirr Apr 2015 #10
I'm sure that none of them believed him. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #11
I thought the CIA decided that-they are over the President, right? jalan48 Apr 2015 #12
That's the impression we can get, for sure! n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #21
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OnyxCollie Apr 2015 #13
My sentiments exactly vlakitti Apr 2015 #14
Even more recently (2009) honduras. Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #37
That was sadly a big hit with the right wingers, and it happened in 2009. Dirty, evil, bloody. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #38
We am not a crook. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #15
You betcha! Not a chance, we're squeaky clean. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #40
No more "full spectrum dominance" of South America? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #16
Almost impossible to believe, isn't it? It would destroy the Republicans. Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #22
Funny how the media establishment ronnie624 Apr 2015 #17
Blind faith, loyalty(to US foreign policy). & willfull ignorance are part of the problem as well JonLP24 Apr 2015 #24
Thanks. Those are very informative. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #25
Not just the 'media establishment' Cal Carpenter Apr 2015 #34
Well, they're over until the next Republican administration, or the CIA decides to use their own WestSeattle2 Apr 2015 #30
It's not provable that they aren't doing it now! They seem to believe they are omnipotent. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #39
Bullshit. roamer65 Apr 2015 #36
They all look so tense, don't they? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #42
Thanks for posting this video. Great. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2015 #44
Clearly Jose' stash got lost with his luggage at the airport. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #48
the peoples of the Middle East are not so lucky. 21 more months of meddling...nt quadrature Apr 2015 #43

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
35. No need to meddle in Venezuela
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:35 PM
Apr 2015

They are doing a better job of screwing up their own country than the best 1950's CIA agents could dream of.



Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
49. Absolutely. Just pretend Venezuela's not even really there during press briefings.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:29 AM
Apr 2015

It's pretty doubtful all Latin America, which has witnessed US intervention in all their internal affairs, are going to be looking the other way with this, no matter how much money the U.S. pours into opposition groups in order to destabilize the leftist governments.

At some point, U.S. Americans are going to learn enough about what has been happening to start demanding their tax dollars stop going to these countries to fund destabilization efforts, sometimes violence against the citizens who want democratic leaders, and all people having hope outside the narrow, tiny, racist white oligarchies who want the US to overthrow their democratic leaders, so they can resume stealing their countries blind again.

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Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
50. Yep, they'll be hauling out their torture equipment again in the Americas, to get back to business.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 05:35 AM
Apr 2015

No one helps the wealthy, murderously greedy, criminally insane racist bigots who've swindled their fellow humans blind, and wormed their way to power, in Latin America more than a good old racist ghoul in the White House sending them boatloads of money, and instructors to refresh their memories in torture of political prisoners, like one of the first torture teachers who became famous in his lifetime: Daniel Mitrione, who taught torture in Brazil and Uruguay.

The more anyone learns about him who hasn't already known, the more astonished he/she is in discovering the US was busy sending torture specialists to the Americas as far back as Dwight D. Eisenhower's Presidency in the 1950's.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
4. He actually said 'with impunity'
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:58 PM
Apr 2015

That doesn't mean the US won't meddle
And what is Washington's definition of 'meddling with impunity' anyway?

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
29. Would deliberately inventing some excuse and provoking a small nation so that we
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 12:27 PM
Apr 2015

could go in militarily and make a grab for their oil or some other natural resource
come under "plain meddling?"

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
31. Yes, yes.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 12:31 PM
Apr 2015

We would own up to our meddling and take responsibility, based on our excuse. It's that simple!

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
19. That's for sure. They've been teaching LaTam military people how to torture at the S.O.A.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:23 AM
Apr 2015

at Ft. Benning, Georgia, moved there after some time in Panama.

Lots of the School of the Americas graduates have become war criminals in their own Latin American countries after graduation. What an accomplishment.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
23. Yes, but wasn't S.O.A. tastefully "rebranded"?
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
Apr 2015

You know, kind of like Academi used to be Xe Services, which used to be Blackwater?
(And before that, it was probably Sturmabteilung)

americannightmare

(322 posts)
8. When I see that the situation...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:45 PM
Apr 2015

in Venezuela is stabilized, then I'll know that 'promise' has been fulfilled. Otherwise, it's just meddling without impunity, whatever the hell that would look like - probably very much like the current meddling...

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
26. The unstable situation in Venezuela was brought by their own governments incomptence and corruption
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 11:57 AM
Apr 2015

They've been using the same US sabotage excuse for years now without producing any kind of significant proof to back it. Obviously they're just trying to find a scapegoat for their problems. Just look at any other LatAm country, none of them are using the chavista model of governance.

vlakitti

(401 posts)
14. My sentiments exactly
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 01:11 AM
Apr 2015

Over 100,000 Guatemalan people dead in the 1980s due to Reagan. Worse than Henry Kissinger's coup in Chile by far, worse than El Salvador. All of them awful, and carefully planned.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
38. That was sadly a big hit with the right wingers, and it happened in 2009. Dirty, evil, bloody.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 07:42 PM
Apr 2015

Honduras went straight to the pit of hell in a handbag immediately after they did it, and US Congress people swarmed down there to throw their floppy arms around the coup President Micheletti, led by Cuban "exile' Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. Continual political heavy violence since then, when it started with curfews to force people to stay in their houses all night so they couldn't protest without getting shot, and protesters getting kidnapped by black suv's with blacked-out windows, ending up tortured, and sometimes tortured and murdered, thrown out into fields, and the streets.

Nothing like a right-wing coup to hurl the poor people into a living nightmare. Meanwhile, this administration continues to send foreign aid to this hell-hole. At least the tiny few super-wealthy oligarchs who supported the coup are doing great, as they expected.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
22. Almost impossible to believe, isn't it? It would destroy the Republicans.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:31 AM
Apr 2015

Hating the Latin American people is dear to their racist, fascist hearts.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
17. Funny how the media establishment
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 02:25 AM
Apr 2015

characterizes the rhetoric from Latin American leaders about US imperialism as a matter of opinion, as if there isn't a voluminous historical record, detailing US conduct, and as if dominion over the entire Western Hemisphere isn't enshrined in policy doctrines, like the Monroe Doctrine and the Roosevelt Corollary.

I sure wish we valued education more highly

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
24. Blind faith, loyalty(to US foreign policy). & willfull ignorance are part of the problem as well
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 07:45 AM
Apr 2015

including the media

Much thanks to GrumpyComrade
22WEISBROT Mark, “Venezuela’s Struggle, Widely Misrepresented, Remains a Classic Conflict Between Right and Left” in The Guardian, March 4, 2014. Consulted on http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/venezuelas-struggle-widely-misrepresented-remains-a-classic-conflict-between-right-and-left on March 3, 2015. ; BHATT Keane, “U.S. Destabilization and Media Distortion in Venezuela (Interview)” on NACLA, on February 25, 2014. Consulted on https://nacla.org/news/2014/2/25/us-destabilization-and-media-distortion-venezuela-interview on March 3, 2015; PARTYKA Nicholas, “On the Recent Crisis in Venezuela: Confronting the US Media Narrative about the Crisis” The Hampton Institute, on July 2nd, 2014. Consulted on http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/us-media-and-venezuela.html#.VPXfIywnzF8 on March 3, 2015.

The Media Effect: How the News Influences Politics and Government
https://books.google.com/books?id=f4JiYcdq-NsC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=us+media+saudi+arabia&source=bl&ots=BR_Hx1Wu4V&sig=Qu5hJYPMrDAfzQjzj7aZLF7sWkM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nwgpVd7QMNDhoATf1oCQDg&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=us%20media%20saudi%20arabia&f=false

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
34. Not just the 'media establishment'
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 02:49 PM
Apr 2015

Plenty of folks on DU react to insinuations of US meddling in the region with charges of 'oh you're a conspiracy theorist' when the historical record is quite clear.

Some folks may just not know the truth, but it's hard to believe if they spend so much time on DU and other political news oriented sites that they don't know even recent history.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
30. Well, they're over until the next Republican administration, or the CIA decides to use their own
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 12:28 PM
Apr 2015

playbook. That goes without saying of course, all of the world has experienced both first hand.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
36. Bullshit.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 05:23 PM
Apr 2015

This country has never given up on, nor will give up on the Monroe Doctrine.

After Cuba went communist, it morphed into an idea of containment.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
48. Clearly Jose' stash got lost with his luggage at the airport.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:04 AM
Apr 2015
- Or, if he drove then he probably left it in the car....



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