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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:01 PM Apr 2015

U.S. to tell Americans why they're on no-fly list

Source: CNN

(CNN)Americans on the United States' no-fly list will now be privy to information about why they have been banned from commercial flights and be given the opportunity to dispute their status, according to court documents filed by the Justice Department this week.

The revised policy comes in response to a June ruling by a federal judge that said the old process was in violation of the Fifth Amendment's guarantee of due process. The decision was part of an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit brought on behalf of 13 Americans on the list.

But the ACLU isn't satisfied with the government's new policy, outlined in documents filed Monday in federal courts in Oregon (PDF) and Virginia (PDF).

"After years of fighting in court for complete secrecy and losing, it's good that the government is finally now going to tell people of their status on the No Fly List," said Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU National Security Project and the lead attorney on the case, in a statement.

Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/15/travel/americans-no-fly-list-feat/

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Reason 1 for being listed: you gave money to the ACLU; Reason 2: we don't need another.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:07 PM
Apr 2015

See, how transparent they are now.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. K&R!
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:35 PM
Apr 2015
The revised policy comes in response to a June ruling by a federal judge that said the old process was in violation of the Fifth Amendment's guarantee of due process.

Gee, and it only took them a decade and a half to figure that one out! But according to their past actions and statements, the Obama Administration believes that the definition of ''due process'' includes only one branch of government's (his) review of a citizen's legal rights (ideas that were possibly cribbed from Clarence Thomas no less!). You know, like in a dictatorship. Except with secret lawyer's rulings passing as a due process scam.

- That's how the famous Obama Kill List Memo© was born.

And others died.......

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
6. Did you know that Ted Kennedy was on the no-fly list?
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:50 PM
Apr 2015

He had a hell of a time getting off it, too. A US Senator!

While he worked to clear himself, Kennedy kept having to wait in terminals at Reagan National, Boston's Logan International and at least one other airport, his staff said. All of the flights were on US Airways. When the senator checked in at the counter, airline employees told him they could not issue him a boarding pass because he appeared on the list. Kennedy was delayed until a supervisor could be summoned to identify him and give approval for him to board the plane.


Federal officials said they recognized that the no-fly list was "imperfect."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17073-2004Aug19.html

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
14. Senator Kennedy was not on the list, as the article states.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

A different "T Kennedy" was on the list. Since lookups on the list are done by non-unique names, name matches need to be verified by the rest of the data. Each time he was flagged, the data said the list entry was not his and he was given a boarding pass.

Had Senator Kennedy been on the list, he would not have been allowed on the plane, senator or not.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. I was harassed for six solid years while Bush was POTUS.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 01:22 PM
Apr 2015

They always let me on the plane but I was subjected to additional screening EVERY time I boarded a plane. EVERY frigging time. When they'd demand ID, I'd give them my military one, just to point out what ASSHOLES they were being. I got to the point where I "knew" the code on the boarding pass--from the four "S's" to the "checkerboard squares" depending on the airline. Of course, another way to tell would be to try to print a boarding pass at home--that wasn't happening!! Nope--you'd be directed to the counter, so they could give you the stink-eye and the coded pass.

It starts to wear on you after a while. I thwarted the whole "toss that suitcase and leave the passenger to try and stuff everything back in" game by checking a bag (which would get tossed, but at least they'd stuff most of my belongings back in) or sending my "necessaries" ahead via FedEx. I'd show up at the boarding gate with a change of underwear and a toothbrush. Fuck 'em. Let 'em try to toss that!

After Obama was elected, it was like .... MAGIC. They plainly scrubbed the list and took my name off. I don't know if my communications with the late Sen. Ted Kennedy were any help on that score, but I haven't been harassed since Obama took office.

dembotoz

(16,804 posts)
12. at times i thought it would be very cool to be on the bush list cause it meant i did something
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 04:48 PM
Apr 2015

but i think your reality takes any shine from that pumpkin

i never fly so i would have had bragging rights with minimal inconvenience

my best buddy flies all the damn time for work
inconvenience for me would be catastrophic for her

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. It was horrific and stressful, and I think it was DESIGNED to be that way.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:12 PM
Apr 2015

I never went to the airport without a feeling of anticipatory dread.

The occasional TSA authoritarian could be quite nasty, though most of them seemed ashamed when I'd present my military ID.

On one occasion, a fellow passenger (not being harassed) piped up on my behalf with a "What kind of shit is this?" refrain, and quite a few other people in the general vicinity voiced agreement and started griping and mumbling "Bullshit!" "Ridiculous!" etc. This is when I was still carting a bag...I will say that warmed the cockles of my heart!

The first time I sailed through the process (Thanks, Obama!!! ) after enduring all those years of humiliation, I was as giddy as a grade schooler! No marks on the boarding pass? Surely they'll get me at the first checkpoint...? I couldn't believe that I was being waved through like a regular person! Don't get too hopeful...they'll get me at the x-ray machines....No? It's a MIRACLE! I felt like I'd won the lottery, simply because I wasn't being poked, prodded, questioned and goaded. It took me awhile before I started carrying a bag again, though--for the longest time, I felt like the "lifting of sanctions" was some kind of mistake!

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