A fake and a charlatan': Doctors call for Dr. Oz to be dismissed from Columbia surgery faculty over

[LiberalElite]

Source: NY Daily News

Dr. Oz doesn’t walk or talk like a duck — but 10 prominent critics say he’s still a quack.

The group of nationally known doctors, in a lacerating letter to his boss, called for the TV doctor’s dismissal from the prestigious post of vice chairman of Columbia University’s department of surgery.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/doctors-dr-oz-removed-columbia-faculty-article-1.2187815

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I've just always been puzzled why a doctor with a prestigious position in a prestigious institution would consent to be Oprah's flavor of the month and shill for dollars (oh wait a minute...)

[rpannier]

1. The aggravating thing about the story is the response from Columbia Univ

They're defending his freedom of expression
I was not aware that medicine and science were about opinions
I thought it was about facts
He's pushing faux medicine

[LiberalElite]

2. I just went back and read this - I first saw it in

some other web page I never heard of. They didn't mention Columbia's response. They're as bad as he is then.

[crim son]

23. Columbia's response as reported on NPR tonight

was that a cornerstone of their academic position was the right of their educators to speak freely. The holes in this pronouncement are obvious.

[longship]

3. Well, he is tenured.

But he is a bit of a quack.

But firing a tenured prof is difficult.

ORAC (a surgeon himself) has a Blog post on this very issue.
Here: America's Quack Dissected Again

I highly recommend a click through.

[rpannier]

9. I'm not advocating he be fired

I just think the defense is weak

[longship]

12. Well, after all, he IS a quack. nt

[Stonepounder]

18. He also lends his name to spammers.

I get about 10 emails/day from 'Dr Oz'. I tried to unsubscribe, stupid me. Before I unsubscribed I was only getting about 5 a day.

[grasswire]

26. why do you say he "lends his name" to anyone?

Every day on his show, he condemns those who use his name. He doesn't endorse any of that. He doesn't profit from it.

[Stonepounder]

36. I don't believe it.

It is not all that hard to figure out where spam is coming from. He's got enough money and name recognition he could shut down all the spam if he really wanted to.

[Art_from_Ark]

41. Medicine is often about opinions

In fact, when one doctor makes a serious diagnosis, the patient is often advised to seek a "second opinion" just to be sure.

[JimDandy]

4. I haven't watched him in years since he went down the homeopathic rabbit hole...

"He ripped into the Harvard-educated Dr. Mehmet Oz for the 'various quack propositions that he is promulgating on his TV show — magical mystery cures.'

“Dr. Oz is guilty of either outrageous conflicts of interest or flawed judgments about what constitutes appropriate medical treatments, or both,” the letter concluded.

“Whatever the nature of his pathology, members of the public are being misled and endangered, which makes Dr. Oz’s presence on the faculty of a prestigious medical institution unacceptable.”

[LiberalElite]

5. I like that "whatever the nature of his pathology"

that's gotta leave a mark!

[Thor_MN]

6. Hopefully, United Health Care dumps him too.

It annoys me that any part of my premiums pays for this quack's content for their newsletter.

[DeadLetterOffice]

7. Unfortunately, not everyone shares our enthusiasm...

... for calling Dr. Oz out on his nonsense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=120437

[Major Nikon]

10. Some never met a quack they didn't like

[840high]

17. What qualifies you to

judge who is a quack. ?

[Major Nikon]

22. I'm pretty sure someone who goes by doctor and promotes quackery...

is a quack.

YMMV.

http://www.quackwatch.com/search/webglimpse.cgi?ID=1&query=Mehmet&case=&whole=&lines=&errors=&age=&maxfiles=25&maxlines=20&maxchars=3000&filter=&autosyntax=&autonegate=&wordspan=&cache=yes&rankby=DEFAULT

[onehandle]

8. A favorite of fellow grifter, Oprah Winfrey. nt

[cui bono]

11. I'm home sick from work today and was looking for some local news on TV and stumbled upon

his show. The intro said he was having a psychic on! And sure enough, there she was. She threw out some generic thing she was "getting" from the audience about someone losing their mother with some circumstances described and sure enough someone raised their hand. Then she said something about the brother and the woman said no, but another woman raised her hand and said yes, her brother passed and that was the situation and the woman next to her as well.

So then... the psychic said something about isn't it weird how they happened to be sitting right next to each other, how do you explain that? And one of the women from the audience started to say "I can explain it-" and Dr. Oz cut her off. Hehe... my guess is either they were family members and the brother is the same person, brother to them both, or the show asked people beforehand if they wanted to ask the psychic a question and if so to write it on a card and so that's how they knew what to have the psychic "hear". Or both. But I figure it was rigged somehow. Psychics notoriously throw out suggestions and then get people to give up information making it seem that the psychic was right all along.

Anyway... the real point is, what is a medical doctor doing having a psychic on the show???

[MisterP]

13. hey, if it's good enough for the new "Cosmos"!

[valerief]

29. Huh? I don't remember a psychic on Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos. nt

[Frank Cannon]

31. A psychic on Cosmos?

Are you sure you're not thinking of some other show?

There were no psychics on Cosmos, either the first one or the second one.

[840high]

15. Why didn't you bother to mention

his other guests? I find his show entertaining because of the variety of his guests.

[cui bono]

19. Because the point was that he is a medical doctor and had a psychic on the show.

[840high]

21. Ok. I had no

problem with it.

[cui bono]

25. Okay.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

54. That's called cold reading.

Where a person takes a few facts from an audience, that might apply to one or more members of an audience due to the law of averages, and then extrapolates that and gets affirming body language responses to those answers, and continues to say things and goes by the non-verbal responses, positive or negative, to that bit of information.

Woody Harrelson played a cold reader in "Now You See Me". That was a fun movie. Near the beginning he does an impressive bit of cold reading about a woman that is pretty hilarious to watch.

[Ken Burch]

14. I have issues with Dr. Oz myself, but the reason these docs are going after him are bogus.

They are mainly pissed off at the Oz-Man because he questions the safety of GMO foods-not because of the dodgier health claims he makes on his show.

This strongly suggests a Monsatan(I mean Monsanto)-backed smear campaign. And the fact that the guy who is spearheading this is from the Hoover Institution(the right-wing "think tank" at Stanford) is also very telling.

[840high]

16. Totally agree with you.

[cui bono]

20. Yes, that does not look good. I am against GMOs. n/t

[grasswire]

27. and I'm sure Big Pharma is out to get him.

He practices integrative medicine. Boooga booga! Scary!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

30. Very Good Points

thank you

[Frank Cannon]

32. If you're looking for an anti-GMO champion...

You can sure as hell find someone a lot better and more credible than Dr. Oz. Otherwise, you stand a good chance of just being laughed at.

[Ken Burch]

35. Not saying Oz is my go-to guy on GMO's

Just that the motives of the anti-Ozians are a bit suspect in this case.

[wordpix]

43. good point, I agree

[SoapBox]

24. He's always getting ripped by a guy that sells supplements

on HSN (Andrew Lessman)...he's been railing about Oz for years.

[Shrike47]

28. I find his show boring and I wish he wasn't so supportive of supplements, etc.

I was stuck at home with pneumonia a couple of years ago and watched Dr. Oz. dr. Phil was more interesting.

[Corey_Baker08]

33. I Have Seen The Real TV Show In Which He Works At An Emergency Room...

Trauma Center nonetheless and it isn't some Bullshit reality show either and Dr Oz is a very multi talented physician who operates on patients, he's not afraid to get his hands dirty & him & his team will do everything to save a life. So I call Bullshit.

Now if you wanna discuss Bullshit Doctors who no longer practice anymore look no further than that fake ass greedy POS 'Dr' Sanjay Gupta who had the opportunity to show his dedication to his Country & his genuine commitment to the medical community when he was offered the position of Surgeon General of the United States of America...

Instead he lied saying he would be better served continuing working as a Physician... In reality he didn't take the position because CNN was paying the greedy bastard more & paying him to travel around the world to make news segments playing Doctor.

[Ruby the Liberal]

37. Who probably has the largest podium in the world right now

for the legalization of medical cannabis that DC politics would have prevented. Anyone who can change the hearts and minds of the "Reefer Madness" crowd as Gupta has, has my undivided support as well as that of the families with children suffering from Dravets - some of whom have actually moved to Colorado for help.

His work shedding light on cannabis will do BOATLOADS more for relief for people than he ever could have accomplished as SG with both hands tied behind his back.

Regards,
Just A Random Cancer Patient

[mainer]

38. Not many years ago, the medical establishment was aligned against marijuana

"Common consensus" was that it was just a recreational drug that needed to be kept away from everyone. It took a brave doctor like Gupta to admit he's changed his mind and now believes in the benefits of medical marijuana. Sometimes, it's the lone voice in the wilderness who actually speaks the truth.

[wordpix]

44. This cancer patient's with you, Ruby - we need cancer/mmj human trials

Animal studies strongly indicate mmj is antitumor/antimetastasis, yet no human trials have been conducted:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

snip: Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] Two reviews summarize the molecular mechanisms of action of cannabinoids as antitumor agents.[13,14] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death.


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page5#_73_toc
Cancer Treatment

No clinical trials of Cannabis as a treatment for cancer in humans were identified in a PubMed search; however, a single, small study of intratumoral injection of delta-9-THC in patients with recurrent glioblastoma multiforme reported potential antitumoral activity.[14,15]

[Ruby the Liberal]

49. +1

[mainer]

39. So Gupta's a greedy POS because he declined being considered for Surgeon General?

Who the hell wants to deal with going before Senate committees and getting pummeled by Republicans, who would of course have assassinated his character due to his stance on pot? Maybe he doesn't want to go into politics, which is what the Surgeon General position is really all about. Not everyone wants to run for office. Not everyone wants to be destroyed by the GOP.

I fully understood why he declined the "opportunity." Look what the GOP did to Obama's nominee, Dr. Vivek Murphy, just because he's concerned about gun violence.

[Corey_Baker08]

40. I Am Wrong About Dr Gupta, I Was Not Aware He Supports Marijuana

I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong. I just can't help but think that his support of Marijuana would speak louder & gain more traction if he was the Surgeon General...

[stevenleser]

42. While you are issuing mea culpas, any comment on your attempt to assert a DU rule that doesnt exist?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1049016

And alerting on my post and getting it hidden for a DU rule that doesn't exist and asserting I gloated because I got the winning result, when the jury result went against me 5-2 and I did no gloating? (I was juror #2) http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1048927

[Corey_Baker08]

45. Wow Seriously? Let It Go Already, Damn...

[stevenleser]

46. Let it go where? I thought this an appropriate place to ask since the thread involves yet another

assumption by you that turned out to be wrong.

So far I haven't seen you address that crusade of yours where you asserted a DU rule that did not exist and you repeatedly alerted on people who posted jury results.

I think my request that you address it is fair.

[Corey_Baker08]

47. Well You Are Correct, I Apologize For Not Putting "In My Opinion"...

My intent was not to assert A DU rule that doesn't exist. My intent was to express my opinion on this subject matter and say in my opinion those who gloat & post jury results in their favor taint the foundation of the DU Jury System...

So I do apologize for accidentally leaving out the term in my opinion, however I will not apologize for voicing my opinion.

I hope you can accept my apology and we can move on, I admit I made a mistake in that statement, I should have said in my opinion.

[Jamastiene]

34. My mother normally believes every quack that comes along, but

she says Dr. Oz is too obsessed with poop for her. If my mother says someone is too obsessed with poop, they have got to be REALLY obsessed with it.

[wordpix]

48. well poop can tell you a lot

Good poop= good health.

So sayeth a Stage 4 colon cancer patient (me).

[Jamastiene]

50. What is good poop?

I thought all poop was poop. I mean, we know it is supposed to stink and it needs to be done. I had no idea there was good and bad poop. Serious question. I honestly don't know the answer. I just know Dr. Oz is obsessed with it from what little I could stand hearing about him.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

51. Not all poop is the same.

Color,texture, shape and size say a lot about your health.

[merrily]

53. I am so sorry that you are going through that.

[merrily]

52. When even Congresss has hearings about a doctor's medical claims, he may want to take a breath.