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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 05:12 PM Apr 2015

Japan’s Maglev Train Hits World Record 590 Kilometers Per Hour

Source: WSJ

Central Japan Railway Co. said its magnetic levitation bullet train hit 590 kilometers per hour (366 miles per hour) on Thursday and broke the previous speed record set 12 years ago by the company.

The train was operated on a test course constructed in Yamanashi prefecture in central Japan. The previous record of 581 kilometers per hour was set in December 2003. A spokeswoman at the company, known as JR Central, said the new record is likely to be short-lived, since the next test ride on Tuesday might see the train break 600 kilometers per hour.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is set to talk up Japan’s train prowess on a visit to the U.S. starting April 26. Mr. Abe’s trip includes a stop in California, which is planning a high-speed rail line.

JR Central has said it wants to export the maglev technology to the U.S. for a Washington-New York train link—a project Mr. Abe has said Japan would help finance.

Read more: http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2015/04/17/japans-maglev-train-hits-world-record-590-kilometers-per-hour/

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Japan’s Maglev Train Hits World Record 590 Kilometers Per Hour (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2015 OP
Why can't we have this in the US? Kingofalldems Apr 2015 #1
We are too busy blowing up people in the middle east n/t n2doc Apr 2015 #2
Yep. Damn I would love to ride one. Kingofalldems Apr 2015 #4
But I suspect that they use rare earth minerals FrodosPet Apr 2015 #16
Rich people travel in private jets, that's why. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #10
Just acquiring the land for the tracks would be an expensive and protracted battle hack89 Apr 2015 #12
The rail right of ways in the northeast already exist. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #23
Are they adequate for maglev? hack89 Apr 2015 #24
The right of ways are adequate for high speed rail from Boston to DC. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #25
As long as "high speed" = 150 mph. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2015 #28
Buy more gas, drive more hours IronLionZion Apr 2015 #21
We can't have nice things here. Lunabell Apr 2015 #22
Because eminent domain... VScott Apr 2015 #27
$50m to $100m per mile in most of the world. Probably over $1b per mile in the U.S. Xithras Apr 2015 #29
The first bullet train was opened for service on October 1, 1964, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #3
I recently rode the bullet train in Japan and it was an COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #7
I don’t think big oil wants people flocking to ride trains. Jack-o-Lantern Apr 2015 #5
maglev's great, especially as a "third track" (beside Amtrak and HSR, whenever that'll be) MisterP Apr 2015 #6
I took Shanghai's maglev from downtown to the airport. COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #8
I've taken that one a few times as well davidpdx Apr 2015 #17
No doubt about it. It IS fast. COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #20
Shame on America, Tokyo's Shinkansen from Tokyo to Osaka runs as much as every 3 to 10 minutes! AZ Progressive Apr 2015 #9
How fast do OUR trains go? bvar22 Apr 2015 #11
Acela's average speed is ALMOST 85 mph MisterP Apr 2015 #13
200 kph for the fastest runs n2doc Apr 2015 #14
V I D E O yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #15
Nice davidpdx Apr 2015 #18
I am afraid to say that by the time yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #19
Probably with the lack of investment in infrastructure the last 20 years davidpdx Apr 2015 #26
Japan is way ahead of us...WAY ahead! Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #30

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
16. But I suspect that they use rare earth minerals
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:09 AM
Apr 2015

Which means anyone who supports electric-based transportation is greedy and trying to destroy the planet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/112784267

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. Just acquiring the land for the tracks would be an expensive and protracted battle
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:51 PM
Apr 2015

especially in the NE corridor.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. Are they adequate for maglev?
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:57 PM
Apr 2015

Look at a rail map of New England - lots of twists and turns. I doubt the present right of ways are adequate for high speed rail.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
25. The right of ways are adequate for high speed rail from Boston to DC.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:01 PM
Apr 2015

They would undoubtedly need some work to get to 600kmh, and there might be some sections that would need land purchases, but it would not be "buy 250 miles of rail access."

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
28. As long as "high speed" = 150 mph.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:55 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Tue Apr 21, 2015, 08:21 AM - Edit history (10)

Northeast Corridor

The Northeast Corridor (NEC) is an electrified railway line in the Northeast megalopolis of the United States. Owned primarily by Amtrak, it runs from Boston through New York City, Philadelphia, and Baltimore to Washington, D.C.

The corridor is used by many Amtrak trains, including the high-speed Acela Express, intercity trains, and several long-distance trains. Most of the corridor also has frequent commuter rail service, operated by the MBTA, Shore Line East, Metro-North Railroad, New Jersey Transit, SEPTA, and MARC. Several companies run freight trains over sections of the NEC.

The NEC closely parallels Interstate 95 for most of its length, and is the busiest passenger rail line in the United States by ridership and service frequency. Branches to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and Springfield, Massachusetts, though not considered part of the Northeast Corridor, see frequent service from routes that run largely on the corridor.

Much of the line is built for speeds higher than the 79 mph (127 km/h) allowed on many U.S. tracks. Amtrak can operate intercity Northeast Regional and Keystone Service trains at up to 125 mph (201 km/h), as well as North America's only high-speed train, the Acela Express, which runs up to 150 mph (241 km/h) on several sections in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Acela covers the 225 miles (362 km) between New York and Washington, D.C., in under 3 hours, and the 229 miles (369 km) between New York and Boston in under 3.5 hours.

Under Amtrak's $151 billion Northeast Corridor plan, which hopes to roughly halve travel times by 2040, trips between New York and Washington would take 94 minutes.

There's a lot involved in upgrading to speeds beyond 150 mph. The sharper curves will have to be straightened out, and that takes land, expensive land in the northeastern US. High-speed rail from Omaha to Cheyenne? Curvature is no problem. From DC to Boston? Now it's an issue.

The tracks themselves have to be installed and maintained to a higher level of uniformity than is generally found in other parts of the US. Another poster asked how fast our trains are. The quick answer is that it is a function of track conditions. Most busy US rail lines have track maintained to a quality that the Federal Railroad Administration refers to as Class IV. At that level, the FRA limits are 80 mph for passenger trains and 60 mph for freight trains. The railroads back off just a bit and limit passenger traffic to 79 mph and freight traffic to 55 mph.

Yes, I know that in the 1930s, the Milwaukee Road was running its trains at 100 mph behind 4-4-2s and 4-6-4s:

The Milwaukee Road class A comprised four (#1–#4) high-speed, streamlined 4-4-2 "Atlantic" type steam locomotives built by ALCO in 1935-37 to haul the Milwaukee Road’s Hiawatha express passenger trains. They were among the last Atlantic types built in the United States, and certainly the largest and most powerful. The class were the first locomotives in the world built for daily operation at over 100 mph (160 km/h), and the first class built completely streamlined, bearing their casings their entire lives. Although partially supplanted by the larger F7 "Hudsons" {sic; the Milwaukee Road called them "Baltics"} from 1937, they remained in top-flight service until the end. Locomotive #3 was taken out of service in 1949 and cannibalised for spares to keep the other three running until 1951. None survived into preservation.

History

Designed for a 6½ hour schedule between Chicago and St. Paul, the class proved capable of handling nine cars on a 6¼ hour schedule.
....

They hauled the fastest scheduled steam-powered trains in the world. Running at 100 mph or greater was required to keep these schedules; the class A locomotives were designed to cruise at over 100 mph and be able to achieve 120 mph (190 km/h). A run with a dynamometer car behind the locomotive was made on May 15, 1935 by locomotive #2 between Milwaukee and New Lisbon, Wisconsin. Over a 14-mile stretch the speed of 112.5 mph (181.1 km/h) was recorded. This was the fastest authenticated speed reached by a steam locomotive at the time, making #2 the rail speed record holder for steam and the first steam locomotive to top 110 mph (180 km/h). There are reports, without evidence or accurate records, that these locomotives could exceed 120 mph. Such speeds would have placed the class A in contention with the LNER Class A4 and German BR 05 for the crown of fastest steam locomotive until that time, but no records have been unearthed. The successor Milwaukee Road class F7 was even more powerful, with a claimed top speed of 125 mph (201 km/h).

But after the wreck of the Exposition Flyer, things changed.

Along the Northeast Corridor, you need higher classes of track than Class IV. See Rail speed limits in the United States. That's just the beginning.

There used to be a railroad in the Midwest called the Nickel Plate. In the 1940s, it was famous for its high-speed freights, which were operated with steam locomotives, most notably 80 exceptionally well-designed 2-8-4s. About a year ago, I read an account of what it took to keep those freights running so fast. It was more than just outstanding locomotives or topnotch track layout and maintenance. The signaling system had to be designed to handle the speeds. The sidings had to be located in just the right places so that opposing traffic could operate without speed reductions. The dispatchers had to have the right skills.

In the case of the Northeast Corridor, braking systems will have to be designed for the anticipated higher speeds. The catenary (overhead electrification structure) will have to be able to handle the higher stresses.

It's not just land or eminent domain. It's everything. This is a big project.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
29. $50m to $100m per mile in most of the world. Probably over $1b per mile in the U.S.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:00 PM
Apr 2015

Steel track HSR is relatively cheap, by comparison. Japan can get away with maglev because the islands are small and its longest runs are only a couple hundred miles, but the United States is thousands of miles across, and would require tens of thousands of miles of maglev track to cover adequately.

A better model to follow is that used by Spain, which uses steel on steel HSR and can hit nearly 200MPH, but can be built for as little as $15 million a mile (FWIW, Spain has the second largest HSR network in the world, after China).

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
3. The first bullet train was opened for service on October 1, 1964,
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 05:22 PM
Apr 2015

in time for the first Tokyo Olympics. Known in Japan by the rather mundane name of "Shinkansen", which is translated into English as an even more mundane name of "New Trunk Line", the bullet train has never had a fatal accident, even during the 2011 earthquake. The Japanese know how to make safe, high-speed trains.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
7. I recently rode the bullet train in Japan and it was an
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:00 PM
Apr 2015

eye-opening experience. Modern, sparkling clean, spacious seats that swivel 180 degrees so you can ride looking out the window or face to face with the next row. All seats have real tray tables where you can actually work. Train leaves and arrives on time to the second - super quiet, no real sensation os speed unless you look out the window. When I think that at one time we have railroads that were the envy of the world and now we have Amtrack it makes me want to cry. The trip I took takes 1 1/2 to 2 hours by car or bus. Took us 15 minutes.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
6. maglev's great, especially as a "third track" (beside Amtrak and HSR, whenever that'll be)
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 05:59 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:35 PM - Edit history (2)

but it's damn hard to extend or integrate easily: it serves corridors *even higher* than regular HSR (the Osaka-Tokyo line is at capacity)

BosWash would fit the picture nicely--but again Acela is facing the challenges of digging through/under/around all the tight curves, and maglev will have the same problems (or even worse if the curves have to be gentler): and every local agency needs/wants updates to its signaling coordination, electrification, grade separation, skyways, station redesign and integration, etc., etc., etc., etc.: the whole corridor has to be considered (that's why like half of CAHSR's money is gonna go to SF-SJ: the longest and fastest parts will probably be the cheapest--even the Palmdale jaunt can be bypassed for the three-city express a few years after opening if Tejon Ranch cooperates)

BUT the Chuo Shinkansen, built to handle traffic even HSR can't, is a *projected* $76B for 178 miles, while SF-LA is 452 miles!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
8. I took Shanghai's maglev from downtown to the airport.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:03 PM
Apr 2015

It's an experience as you watch the speedometer in each car move from 0 to 300 KMH but when that thing actually got to 300 kilometers per hour it was rocking enough to give me white knuckles. You're absolutely right about gentle curvature of the tracks, etc. At that speed any little problem becomes 'game over',

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
17. I've taken that one a few times as well
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:45 AM
Apr 2015

It didn't scare me, but I was sure impressed with how fast I got from point A to point b.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
9. Shame on America, Tokyo's Shinkansen from Tokyo to Osaka runs as much as every 3 to 10 minutes!
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:14 PM
Apr 2015
http://english.jr-central.co.jp/info/timetable/index.html

That's more frequent than many subways in the U.S.! In comparison, Amtrak's Acela runs once an hour (though there are other trains that run in between.)

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. How fast do OUR trains go?
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 06:45 PM
Apr 2015

Is anybody else embarrassed?
Its not like we don't have the money.
All we have to give up are a few unnecessary Wars.
and a couple of B-1s or a submarine or two.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. Acela's average speed is ALMOST 85 mph
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

SoCal's commuters are around 55 mph, but they're every hour or so (in fact it's often headway more than speed that gives you riders)
if only our systems were up to say, Bulgarian standards
the Pubs (and some race-baiters hired by very white districts) insist that "making trains faster won't make them faster" because our political culture lets them say stupid things like when George Will said Dems like trains because they have schedules and that turns riders into sheeple, unlike commuting the same route over and over in a car, or an airplane which has schedules and row seats

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
18. Nice
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:46 AM
Apr 2015

I've been on the one in China that gets up near 500 km an hour. The high speed rail here in Korea maxes out at 300 km an hour and has to go slower in many places. Still Getting from Seoul to Busan is only about 2 1/2 hours. I can't imagine what it would be like if we had this on the west coast of the US from Seattle to San Diego.

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