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Zorro

(15,749 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:06 PM Apr 2012

Republican Ryan cites pope to defend budget cuts

Source: Reuters

Invoking Pope Benedict, Republican Representative Paul Ryan defended his budget plan on Thursday at Georgetown University, where a group of the Jesuit institution's faculty has accused him of misusing Catholic teachings to push cuts to programs that serve the poor.

"The overarching threat to our whole society today is the exploding federal debt," Ryan said, speaking in a Gothic, oak-paneled auditorium on the Georgetown campus.

"The Holy Father, Pope Benedict, has charged that governments, communities, and individuals running up high debt levels are 'living at the expense of future generations' and 'living in untruth.'"

Ryan said the actions of individuals, charities, private institutions and firms should take precedence over government programs - citing a Catholic doctrine known as "subsidiarity".

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/republican-ryan-cites-pope-defend-budget-cuts-212712981.html



What an asshole.
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Republican Ryan cites pope to defend budget cuts (Original Post) Zorro Apr 2012 OP
I know the Pope Iliyah Apr 2012 #1
he better have a chat with George Washington PatrynXX Apr 2012 #2
I have a question about this one.. Stuart G Apr 2012 #3
Wouldn't it be funny if he's excommunicated? n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #4
Arguing with the Jesuits? mbperrin Apr 2012 #5
the boy is a bit daft in the head is`t he.... madrchsod Apr 2012 #6
So.. Ryan's admitted to trying to make the US a theocracy? sakabatou Apr 2012 #7
Last I checked, the Pope was not a U.S. citizen and held no U.S. political office. tanyev Apr 2012 #8
He misspoke he mean Pope Ayn Rand Ghost of Tom Joad Apr 2012 #9
Oh for crying out loud Ryan - LibertyLover Apr 2012 #10
If there is a God William Seger Apr 2012 #11
Paul Ryan is a nutcase..who the hell votes for this idiot anyways opihimoimoi Apr 2012 #12
So sick to twist religion like this. nobodyspecial Apr 2012 #13
When do politicians start to take responsibility... TruthBeTold65 Apr 2012 #14
Rep. Ryan forgets who his constituents are Bombero1956 Apr 2012 #15
He voted for every debt-busting Bush initiative Doctor_J Apr 2012 #16
Ryan, Santorum, Boner, SC Justices Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, etc., are Opus Dei Fascist freaks. olegramps Apr 2012 #17
"Subsidiarity" doesn't mean what Ryan says it means gratuitous Apr 2012 #18
Religious Groups, Georgetown Faculty Protest Ryan’s Use Of Catholic Social Teaching To Justify pampango Apr 2012 #19
Ryan also seems to be in cahoots with EWTN Kingofalldems Apr 2012 #20

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
1. I know the Pope
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:13 PM
Apr 2012

is pissed! Whats up with Ryan, has he completely lost his mind? Have the GOP lost their collective minds?

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
2. he better have a chat with George Washington
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:15 PM
Apr 2012

ad he can't pick and choose positions the Pope has said.



meanwhile. Dick Cheney is still on record saying we need a high debt. X_X

All the Republican candidates except one (Ron Paul) raise the deficit. so Ryan is ignorant.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
10. Oh for crying out loud Ryan -
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:55 AM
Apr 2012

this isn't 14th century Europe and you have no business invoking the pope to justify your budget. What part of the 1st Amendment don't you understand?

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
11. If there is a God
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:06 AM
Apr 2012

... and he sends people to hell for disobeying his son Jesus Christ, then Ryan and a LOT of Republicans are in for a rude awakening when they die. "So, Paul, you cut programs that feed the poor and administer to the sick so that rich people could have lower taxes, is that correct?"

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
13. So sick to twist religion like this.
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:12 AM
Apr 2012

Here's what the Bible says about the duty to the poor.

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill," and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So faith by itself, if it has not works, is dead.
James 2:14-17 NRSV

"For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.'

Then these righteous ones will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? And the King will tell them, 'I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!'"
Matthew 25:31-40 NLT

"But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just."
Luke 14:13 RSV



Where is the passage in which Jesus tells his followers to repay their debt to the moneychangers and allow people to be hungry and homeless? As an atheist, I find it interesting that I am a better Christian than these purported believers.

TruthBeTold65

(203 posts)
14. When do politicians start to take responsibility...
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 10:13 AM
Apr 2012

for their own short-sighted, corrupt and self-promoting ideologies and hypocrisies??

Instead...they can ruin everything in the wake for their drive to be re-elected and lining of their campaign pockets by corporations, lobbyists and PACs...then expect that the future generations pay the price. What do they care...they will dead, gone and buried by the time the shit hits the proverbial fan.

Yes, Ryan is right we need to make some very hard decisions now (to fix what they destroyed) that are going to be devisating to many but every single thing should be done to protect anyone who needs the social safety nets (which will need to be bigger given cuts and the hard future) otherwise we will have famine and death to those who are the less fortunate.

Is that what Ryan wants to be remembered for on his death bed..."I squeezed every last penny I could to give to the already-rich more money and millions of people at the bottom suffered".

I am sure "Jesus" will understand. Right?

Bombero1956

(3,539 posts)
15. Rep. Ryan forgets who his constituents are
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:03 AM
Apr 2012

They are the people of his state and district not a German that wears a $500 hat in the Vatican.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
17. Ryan, Santorum, Boner, SC Justices Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, etc., are Opus Dei Fascist freaks.
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:49 AM
Apr 2012

They are only spewing the fascist line that the founder of Opus Dei succeeded, with the assistance of Pope John Paul II, to infest the Catholic Church. They have the medieval mentality of Torquemada. They are the wolves in sheep's clothing who will devour you.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
18. "Subsidiarity" doesn't mean what Ryan says it means
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 11:54 AM
Apr 2012

Catholic theologians and ethicists are on this, and on Ryan, in a very strange and welcome manner. It seems that Catholics have wearied of being cited as the "moral" underpinning for Republican immorality in regards to economic matters.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
19. Religious Groups, Georgetown Faculty Protest Ryan’s Use Of Catholic Social Teaching To Justify
Fri Apr 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
Apr 2012
Budget Cuts



House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) today faced further backlash from religious groups after attempting to use Catholic social teaching to justify the House Republican budget. Ryan spoke this morning at Georgetown University in Washington, where he was met by faculty members and religious groups who protested his budget’s drastic cuts to programs that help the poor.

About 90 members of Georgetown’s faculty, including two dozen Jesuit priests, signed a letter telling Ryan that he is “profoundly misreading Church teaching” and that his budget would have “devastating consequences” for poor Americans:

However, we would be remiss in our duty to you and our students if we did not challenge your continuing misuse of Catholic teaching to defend a budget plan that decimates food programs for struggling families, radically weakens protections for the elderly and sick, and gives more tax breaks to the wealthiest few. As the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has wisely noted in several letters to Congress – “a just framework for future budgets cannot rely on disproportionate cuts in essential services to poor persons.” Catholic bishops recently wrote that “the House-passed budget resolution fails to meet these moral criteria.”


As ThinkProgress has noted, Ryan’s budget appears to ignore Catholic social teaching, and religious leaders, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, have criticized its cuts to programs that help the poor as “unjustified and wrong.” The backlash is similar to what Ryan faced last year, when religious leaders hammered him for adhering more closely to the policies of anti-government, anti-religion author Ayn Rand — who Ryan said inspired him to enter politics — than to the teachings of the church. Before today’s speech, however, Ryan backtracked on his admiration of Rand, saying, “I reject her philosophy.”



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/26/471772/georgetown-ryan-budget-protests/
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