Scientists warn of chemicals in pizza boxes, carpet care
Source: USA Today
A group of environmental scientists issued a warning Friday about commonly used chemicals known as PFASs.
The chemicals, which go by the longer names of polyfluoroalkyl and perfluoroalkyl, are found in everything from pizza boxes to carpet treatments, reports the New York Times.
"If you got a pastry with your coffee this morning, a PFAS substance probably even lined the waxy paper it was served on," writes Lynne Peeples at the Huffington Post. (In the case of the pizza boxes, the chemicals help prevent the boxes from getting soaked by grease.)
The warning came May 1 in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, whose coverage included a statement signed by 200 scientists from 38 countries urging restrictions. (It's here, known as the Madrid Statement.)
Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/05/02/scientists-warn-of-chemicals-in-pizza-boxes-carpet-care/26766547/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21793199
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to the Madrid Statement on these substances:
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1509934/
KT2000
(20,577 posts)than Environmental Health Perspectives. I wish everyone would subscribe to this publication that is free on the internet. People would be amazed at what is known about the health effects of the chemical soup we all live in.
Thanks for posting this.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Either it is conservative and we shouldn't support or it is unhealthy due to sugars and other things or it is poisonous. We can't live and function if we take everything away. I mean pizza box? Good grief that is what college students live on.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)Since post WWII, some 80,000 chemicals have been put into use. The safety testing was next to nil and much of it was fabricated. What you are seeing in info like this is the result of testing that should have taken place before it was used. The US has only banned the use of a very few dangerous chemicals and they will not ban this one. Other countries probably will though.
The reason for informing oneself about this is so as individuals we can make better choices for ourselves. Maybe one would want to put up with this chemical in their pizza boxes but decide against installing carpets that have the chemical in them. Maybe a homeowner would decide against using glyphosate on their own lawn because they are getting enough of a dose from neighbors.
Chemicals are shaping who we are as a society - neurotoxins, hormone distruptors etc. The government is not going to make decisions to protect the public. It is up to the individual to learn and make decisions the best we can.
We have increasing cancer rates in children and an epidemic of brain disorders in children. That is failure.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)and that leads to a distrust of chemistry, and then to a distrust of science in general, and IMHO that's at least part of the explanation for the growing number of anti-vaxxers.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Even many "anti vacs"rs are distrustful of corporations. While I agree in this issue they are wrong, the basis of their concern is the understanding that corporations will purposely distort and propagate unethical science and so they don't trust the corporation science.
The real problem is that we have allowed money to corrupt our practice of science. To some extent that is a problem the scientific community itself is dropping the ball on.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)public, cherry pick evidence, bulldoze FDA approval without proper research, lie to consumers about the toxicity of their products, deny responsibility in causing illness, and on and on. I love science, scientists with integrity are necessary in our world. Hack-take-money-for-results scientists are the ones who are causing the distrust of science.
I meant to re to Gormy Cuss, oops!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)decisions on products allowed on the market. We know of course all of what you said is true and that sometimes that bites us in the backside when independent research is done.
It's no surprise to me that some people just don't trust "science" anymore.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Most of the corporate products wouldn't even be allowed to exist if the true science was allowed to be the judge.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)KT2000
(20,577 posts)to inform the general population that it is the influence of corporations and their lobbying groups that THEY are responsible for the lack of research. The information that is informing us of the problems with certain chemicals now is a result of science - good science. It is not the testing that was fabricated years ago or the stamp of approval that EPA give corporations based on what we could call corporate science.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)We have the framework for a good science to prevail over corporate interests BEFORE products hit the market or at the very latest, before the products become pervasive in the marketplace. That instead it takes years for independent research to find such results and then years to reduce the use because of MORE corporate influence is a sign that the fox is guarding the hen house.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)companies make.
If the general population is "suspicious" of some of the products of chemistry, there is a good reason.
arikara
(5,562 posts)so that more will agree to be vaccinated?
Interesting, and so very telling.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)No, I advocate more rigorous testing and fewer years-later "oopsies" on chemicals used allegedly to enhance products .
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Poor people..had no idea it was that bad.......
eppur_se_muova
(36,261 posts)There are lots of types of perfluoroalkyl compounds in existence, and they very greatly in their properties. The first thing to note about PFASs is that they are the salts of saturated carbon-chain sulfonic acids, like most detergents, and their primary use is as surfactants and emulsifying agents (longer-chain PFASs would also function as detergents, but it is the medium-length PFASs that have found most use in industry). The anionic (salt) nature of these compounds is presumably responsible for their ability to associate with enzymes and other proteins, possibly disrupting their normal function.
Perfluorocarboxylic acids (which, like PFASs exist as anions at biological pHs) behave in a similar way, and have similar industrial applications. Pefluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) has been most studied in this regard; Among PFASs, perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (PFOS) has likewise seen the most application and been most studied as a pollutant.
Unfortunately, there are other PF compounds that can degrade to form PFCAs on oxidation. Basically, the PF portion of the molecule is extremely inert to chemical attack, but any side chain which is not perfluorinated can be oxidized to yield, ultimately, PFCAs. PF chains which include C=C double bonds (i.e. unsaturation) can be similarly oxidized. The result is that there are lots of sources of PFCAs other than the actual manufacture of PFCAs. Many products that incorporate PF side chains are formed by a process known as telomerization of tetrafluoroethylene (TFE) and are prone to formation of PFCAs both in the mfging process and on degradation.
Unfunctionalized perfluorocarbons, in contrast, are quite harmless and have been studied as artificial blood substitutes. And Teflon, basically a long-chain perfluorocarbon, has been used safely in surgical implants for years (problems associated with PF coatings arise from PFCAs used in the manufacturing processes as emulsifiers).
It's hard not to notice a certain irony here: The thing that makes PFCs so attractive as structural materials and coatings is their extremely low chemical reactivity. But to use them as surfactants -- that is, materials which alter the surface behavior of other materials (such as stain resistance, see ScotchGard) -- it is necessary to add a little reactivity to part of the molecule in order to form a bond between the PF material and the non-PF surface. But once the non-PF functional group is introduced, that becomes the Achilles' heel by which the PF coating may be degraded to a PFCA and be lost to the environment, thus becoming a pollutant. So while a completely saturated PFC is safe, changing even one atom to a non-PF center makes it unsafe in the long term.
{ETA: But PFCs, sold as bulk commodities, have low profit margin. Specialized applications such as surfactants can produce large, desirable practical effects from application of a small amount of material, so profit margins can be pushed a lot higher. Just in case you're wondering "why did anyone ever make this stuff ?", it's the invisible bloody hand of the sacred Free Market at work again, in all its subtle ways.}
CFCs -- chlorofluorocarbons -- are also notably unreactive, which is how they manage to survive long enough to diffuse into the upper atmosphere where they are degraded by UV light to form ozone-killing chlorine atoms. But like PFCs, they are essentially harmless biologically, though they do function as anesthetics (by means not fully understood).
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Very interesting‼️
elleng
(130,890 posts)won't clean my new carpet!!!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Had a sneaking suspicion about the chemicals involved. Carpets don't look too good however..
B2G
(9,766 posts)Just add a little bleach to the rinse water well...does a good job.