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Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:32 PM May 2015

Oregon bill passes expanding background checks for gun sales

Source: AP

By SHEILA V KUMAR

SALEM, Ore. (AP) — An Oregon bill expanding background checks to encompass nearly all gun sales in the state made it through the Legislature on Monday, overcoming obstacles that stymied two previous attempts to pass similar laws.

The measure now heads to Democratic Gov. Kate Brown, who has indicated support. Her signature would make Oregon the eighth state to require screening before firearms could be transferred between private, unrelated owners. No other states have passed such legislation this year, advocates said.

Oregon's effort is the latest after the long-running debate over gun rights intensified following the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. Last year, Washington state passed a ballot initiative requiring background checks on all gun sales and transfers, and Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said the group has the signatures for a similar ballot initiative in Nevada.

Supporters have tried twice before to expand background checks in Oregon, saying it closes a loophole that allows people to purchase firearms online without a review. Neither attempt made it past a Senate vote, but Democrats managed to increase their majorities in both chambers after last year's election, partially because key candidates in the Senate were backed by billionaire Michael Bloomberg's gun control group, Everytown for Gun Safety.

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Oregon bill passes expanding background checks for gun sales (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2015 OP
Fear the future, gun nuts. nt onehandle May 2015 #1
Fear the future? GGJohn May 2015 #2
strange, what upsets them and what does not Skittles May 2015 #3
As a gun owner, I have no problem with expanded background checks GGJohn May 2015 #6
there is a difference between gun owners and gun humpers Skittles May 2015 #8
You'll get no arguement out of me on that. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #9
why are you responding as if you are the people referred to by that post? CreekDog May 2015 #14
To some here, any gun owner is a gun nut hack89 May 2015 #18
Why do you care if I'm responding? GGJohn May 2015 #22
actually, they cannot fear more than they already do Skittles May 2015 #4
Most "gun nuts" like universal background checks Recursion May 2015 #5
actualy responsible gun owners like ubcs. gun nuts do not. samsingh May 2015 #11
not here they don't CreekDog May 2015 #15
Yet you have several gudgeon regulars in this thread supporting UBCs. hack89 May 2015 #19
So why don't you post that thread? eom. GGJohn May 2015 #23
Unless it requires a gun owner to sell/transfer a gun through an FFL to ensure a background check Hoyt May 2015 #26
Why? I'm pro second amendment and I support laws like these. Throd May 2015 #27
Good for Oregon. It's an intelligent, conscientious, responsible, sane decision. n/t Judi Lynn May 2015 #7
One of the very few times I agree with you. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #10
Hopefully Oregon is getting a better law than ManiacJoe May 2015 #12
One day, in Hillary Clinton's second term.. cosmicone May 2015 #13
That turbinetree May 2015 #16
It would make no difference hack89 May 2015 #21
I disagree turbinetree May 2015 #24
I said the 2A as presently interpreted allows strict regulation of guns hack89 May 2015 #25
The 2A does not prevent strict regulation of guns. hack89 May 2015 #20
Good law. My state has had them for years with no issues. nt hack89 May 2015 #17

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
2. Fear the future?
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:40 PM
May 2015

Very few states are passing gun control laws, more states are loosening their gun laws.
UBC's are a good thing, most gun owners have no problem with it.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
6. As a gun owner, I have no problem with expanded background checks
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:50 PM
May 2015

I live in AZ where we don't even have to have a CHL to carry concealed, however, I choose to get a CHL and go through the training, including the state statutes on the lawful use of self defense.
I have the CHL, but I rarely utilize it as I live in a very safe area, mind my own business, and do prefer de-escalation over confrontation.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Most "gun nuts" like universal background checks
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:48 PM
May 2015

If people could dial down the culture war for a second they might notice that.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
15. not here they don't
Tue May 5, 2015, 07:34 AM
May 2015

post universal background checks in the gungeon and watch it argued down to nothing.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. Unless it requires a gun owner to sell/transfer a gun through an FFL to ensure a background check
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:50 AM
May 2015

is performed, proper records kept, and accountability.

Then, a lot of them really go nuts.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
13. One day, in Hillary Clinton's second term..
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:45 AM
May 2015

there will be >5 supreme court justices who would put 99% of the weight on the phrase "well regulated militia" rather than on "shall not be infringed"

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
16. That
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:04 AM
May 2015

is what will be needed to this issue.
The pre-amble of the amendment was specifically placed there for a reason, and that's were we are seeing, and what we are feeling in this country, a U.S. Supreme court twisting that fact and placing it at the end of the amendment to justifier there opinion.
When a lawsuit is filed in one of these eight states I hope we have progressive court to put this back in its place.
Well said


hack89

(39,171 posts)
21. It would make no difference
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:23 AM
May 2015

strict regulation is allowed by the 2A. Go read Heller. The only explicit right you have is to own a handgun in your home. AWBs, registration, magazine size limits are all perfectly legal.

Time to retire the 2A argument and realize your problems are political - there is simply not enough broad national support for most of your agenda.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
24. I disagree
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:02 AM
May 2015

its about the money and always has been about the money.

I will not retire my argument, especially when my principle was shot dead, and a student was wounded 55 years ago---its about the principle to the amendment---that's what the problem is, it being undermined by the lack of principle.

And has for strict regulation, I do not agree, a private owner at a gun show, or to sell it privately does not have to ask the buyer of a gun to fill out a background check paperwork.

And again you do not have a explicit right to own a hand gun or any gun.

Heller is a joke, they again did not address the issue towards the pre-amble of the amendment: That issue has always been side stepped and every ruling as been bias and this ruling is dangerous.
I also now get the luxury of having a gun in a national park for example.

"District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies to federal enclaves and protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states, which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense."

'On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Heller v. District of Columbia. The Supreme Court struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are "arms" for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the Regulations Act was an unconstitutional ban, and struck down the portion of the Regulations Act that requires all firearms including rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock." "Prior to this decision the Firearms Control Regulation Act of 1975 also restricted residents from owning handguns except for those registered prior to 1975."


So have a nice day

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. I said the 2A as presently interpreted allows strict regulation of guns
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:28 AM
May 2015

not that guns are necessarily strictly regulated. Heller explicitly says that regulation of guns is permitted.

And yes, you have an explicit right to own a gun. That is what Heller is all about. You make think it a joke but it is the law of the land.

Btw, are you aware that the Democratic Party platform explicitly recognizes that the 2A protects an individual right to keep and bear arms? And that President Obama has publicly said the same?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
20. The 2A does not prevent strict regulation of guns.
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:22 AM
May 2015

go read Heller. The only explicit right you have is to own a gun in your home. AWBs, registration, magazine size limits are all perfectly legal.

Time to retire the 2A argument and realize your problems are political - there is simply not enough broad national support for most of your agenda.

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