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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:31 PM May 2015

Black Man Found Hanging From Tree In Georgia Committed Suicide

Source: Huffington Post

The death of Roosevelt Champion III, the black Georgia man who on Monday was found hanging from a tree, has been ruled a suicide by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

A forensic autopsy was performed on Champion Tuesday morning, the GBI told The Huffington Post in a statement, noting: "The results of the autopsy are that the manner of death is suicide and the cause of death is hanging. After a thorough autopsy examination, there was no evidence of any inflicted trauma to Champion’s body."

Law enforcement said that Champion was hanging by a strap like those used to secure cargo on car roofs, with no visible wounds and his feet brushing the ground, NBC reports.

Investigators initially found no signs of struggle or other trauma on Champion’s body, which could indicate foul play, according to Rusty Andrews, deputy director at the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, talking to Action 2 News Monday.

Champion had been interviewed in connection with the murder of a woman on May 2 but had not been charged, Andrews told the station.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/12/roosevelt-champion-hanging_n_7260664.html



Probably won't change anyone's minds from yesterdays newstory, but it was what I suspected it to be....suicide.

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Black Man Found Hanging From Tree In Georgia Committed Suicide (Original Post) FLPanhandle May 2015 OP
Don't believe the finding.. AuntPatsy May 2015 #1
Why not sharp_stick May 2015 #2
Well obviously I have two choices on what to believe, I can easily disregard their evidence... AuntPatsy May 2015 #4
I suppose sharp_stick May 2015 #7
Unfortunately their feelings, oops findings do have legal finality AuntPatsy May 2015 #11
It's all some need. ileus May 2015 #29
Wow! Speechless. Did you see the evidence? yeoman6987 May 2015 #26
I don't either Abouttime May 2015 #42
I'm not buying this for one second. onecaliberal May 2015 #3
Hard to believe this conclusion. mia May 2015 #5
Was there a note? Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #6
There usually is not a note n/t MosheFeingold May 2015 #20
I feel whenever there's not a note, it's usually murder Reter May 2015 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #36
I understand your point MosheFeingold May 2015 #43
From somebody who has considered suicide, Quackers May 2015 #47
mental trauma from the police 'interview' Sunlei May 2015 #8
So far, looks like your comment is spot on. 7962 May 2015 #9
Emotions overrule logic for most people FLPanhandle May 2015 #10
There have been too many instances where the "facts" of certain crim son May 2015 #12
It is the very common method in developing countries. NutmegYankee May 2015 #45
who commits suicide on a tree, outside, in public. redruddyred May 2015 #13
My teachers son did exactly that. In the woods behind the school. 7962 May 2015 #15
holy crap that's awful. nt redruddyred May 2015 #21
"I thought the usual method was with a tie in the closet." NaturalHigh May 2015 #17
Outside of a judicial hanging (long drop), breaking of the neck doesn't happen. NutmegYankee May 2015 #46
Usually it's not in public, per se, but it's fairly common. Xithras May 2015 #22
I bet a black dude redruddyred May 2015 #41
Suicidal people aren't usually thinking about the political or social implications of their deaths. Xithras May 2015 #44
really? because all the black dudes I know have that shit on their minds constantly. redruddyred May 2015 #48
Homeless people ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2015 #24
A colleague of mine Doctor_J May 2015 #34
do you remember that black kid in new orleans who 'committed suicide' redruddyred May 2015 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #37
Hanging from a tree=lynching 6000eliot May 2015 #14
This wasn't a 'racist inquiry' .... the GBI is actually quite good groundloop May 2015 #16
Maybe some people wearing white hoods helped. 6000eliot May 2015 #25
have you given them a call to let them know? snooper2 May 2015 #35
Jesus!!! bigdarryl May 2015 #18
Not wanting your body to be found by your family Calista241 May 2015 #19
This might be important: Sgt Preston May 2015 #23
Well, if they don't find tox and they don't find injuries, then it is not murder. Yo_Mama May 2015 #27
Or he didn't want to go back to prison FLPanhandle May 2015 #30
It would be blatantly obvious if he had been murdered. Nye Bevan May 2015 #28
like the two shot shotgun suicide yurbud May 2015 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #38
I don't have a strong opinion on this one yurbud May 2015 #39
would like to see/read the police 'interview' of this man. Sunlei May 2015 #33

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
4. Well obviously I have two choices on what to believe, I can easily disregard their evidence...
Tue May 12, 2015, 09:40 PM
May 2015

It isn't enough.."

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
42. I don't either
Fri May 15, 2015, 08:13 AM
May 2015

The Feds need to look into this, there might be a local kkk (tea party) that helped this poor soul up to that tree branch.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
32. I feel whenever there's not a note, it's usually murder
Thu May 14, 2015, 12:16 PM
May 2015

Who would kill themselves without an explanation? If you are going to ruin your families lives, common courtesy would be to leave a note.

Response to Reter (Reply #32)

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
43. I understand your point
Fri May 15, 2015, 12:58 PM
May 2015

But I also believe (with certain huge exceptions, most notably mental illness) that suicide is an extremely selfish act, so I am not all that surprised they would be discourteous.

And regardless of what we think, a note is not common for whatever reason. Rates run about 1/6.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_note

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
47. From somebody who has considered suicide,
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:56 AM
May 2015

Writing a suicide note makes you relive or face the issues that's causing the suicidal thoughts. By avoiding writing a note, you can avoid facing the pain. That's just my experience though.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. Emotions overrule logic for most people
Tue May 12, 2015, 10:08 PM
May 2015

The statistics and odds pointed to suicide, but logic doesn't always apply.

I have my emotional hot topics too where I don't see things logically, so I can't judge too much.



crim son

(27,464 posts)
12. There have been too many instances where the "facts" of certain
Tue May 12, 2015, 11:01 PM
May 2015

racially-charged cases have been fixed to ensure a particular outcome, so I don't believe that having doubt in this case is entirely an irrational, emotional response. I'm curious if many people choose death by hanging from a tree as their way out. There was another one in the news recently, in Miss. that was widely reported but it could happen ten times a day for all I know.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
45. It is the very common method in developing countries.
Fri May 15, 2015, 10:29 PM
May 2015

In Bangladesh for instance, 31,857 people chose hanging for suicide in the period from 2002-2009.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
13. who commits suicide on a tree, outside, in public.
Wed May 13, 2015, 03:01 AM
May 2015

I thought the usual method was with a tie in the closet.
betcha he had help.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
17. "I thought the usual method was with a tie in the closet."
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:21 AM
May 2015

I'm not really sure, but I kind of doubt that. The method you described would probably result in a painful, panicked death by strangulation. The goal of a suicide by hanging is to break the neck, resulting in death in just a few seconds.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
46. Outside of a judicial hanging (long drop), breaking of the neck doesn't happen.
Fri May 15, 2015, 10:31 PM
May 2015

Nearly all suicides by hanging are by asphyxiation. The reality is many people do not panic because the rope cuts off the blood flow to the brain and they lose consciousness within seconds as if put into a sleep hold.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. Usually it's not in public, per se, but it's fairly common.
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:23 PM
May 2015

It's hard to tell what's going through someones mind once they choose to commit suicide, but comments and notes left by people who have done it tend to suggest that it's an attempt to save their loved ones from being the person to find their bodies afterward. I read in another article that he'd been staying with his mother, so that certainly fits the profile. People who live alone often kill themselves at home, because they aren't as worried about that sort of thing.

When someone hangs themselves in a public place, they'll typically choose a spot remote enough so that nobody will interfere, but where their body will still be found at some point. A secluded tree in a park or on a nearby property, a low bridge in a less traveled area...somewhere like that.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
41. I bet a black dude
Fri May 15, 2015, 04:42 AM
May 2015

would think twice b4 hanging himself from a tree.
especially if he didn't want to upset his momma.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
44. Suicidal people aren't usually thinking about the political or social implications of their deaths.
Fri May 15, 2015, 10:17 PM
May 2015

And he no doubt knew that his mother was going to be upset. He just didn't want her to be the one to find the body.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
48. really? because all the black dudes I know have that shit on their minds constantly.
Mon May 18, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

it's not easy being not-white.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
34. A colleague of mine
Thu May 14, 2015, 01:12 PM
May 2015

wife informed him she was leaving with the 3 kids.

Tree, front yard, no note.

Trying to make this into something it wasn't does not help anyone or anything.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
40. do you remember that black kid in new orleans who 'committed suicide'
Fri May 15, 2015, 04:39 AM
May 2015

in the back of a police car, while handcuffed?
betcha he had help too.
this was only, like six months ago.

Response to redruddyred (Reply #13)

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
14. Hanging from a tree=lynching
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:50 AM
May 2015

I don't care what the results of any racist inquiry say. I've heard this story before as well.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
16. This wasn't a 'racist inquiry' .... the GBI is actually quite good
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:04 AM
May 2015

I've lived in Georgia for many years and have never heard of a case where the GBI's findings were influenced by racism or politics. If their autopsy found that there were no signs of trauma I believe them.

Now then, maybe we could talk about why this man would have chose to commit suicide. Maybe it was mental illness, maybe he was the victim of racism which led to a deep depression, maybe he had marital or money issues, who knows. But I believe looking into that would be more productive.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
25. Maybe some people wearing white hoods helped.
Wed May 13, 2015, 04:21 PM
May 2015

Sorry, they are going to have to prove independently that he wasn't lynched. I don't believe them.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
19. Not wanting your body to be found by your family
Wed May 13, 2015, 09:31 AM
May 2015

Is the main reason why people commit suicide away from the home. It's not that much of a stretch to apply it to this case also.

 

Sgt Preston

(133 posts)
23. This might be important:
Wed May 13, 2015, 12:45 PM
May 2015
Champion had been interviewed in connection with the murder of a woman on May 2


Champion's death could be suicide, or could be murder, e.g., by relatives of the woman.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
27. Well, if they don't find tox and they don't find injuries, then it is not murder.
Wed May 13, 2015, 05:16 PM
May 2015

You could be cracked on the head and hung, or you could be doped up and hung, or you could be tied up and hung. But if none of those things are true, then it is going to be suicide or accident, and in this case suicide by the circumstances.

What makes them rule out the murder is the lack of traces to show how the body could be found in the condition it was barring suicide.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
28. It would be blatantly obvious if he had been murdered.
Wed May 13, 2015, 08:18 PM
May 2015

Because no way would he meekly submit to having the noose put around his neck and carried up to the branch to be hanged. There would be marks of struggling and self-defense such as scratches and bruises all over his body. Alternatively he could have been murdered some other way, such as by a beating or being shot, and then his body hung from a tree to make a statement, but again this would be obvious in the autopsy.

Plenty of folks here disbelieving the findings, but nobody explaining how somebody who is dead by hanging but whose body is otherwise unmarked could have been murdered.

Response to yurbud (Reply #31)

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
39. I don't have a strong opinion on this one
Thu May 14, 2015, 04:38 PM
May 2015

though it's kind of creepy that a black guy would pick this particular method to off himself given that it would scare the crap out of people beyond his immediate family.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. would like to see/read the police 'interview' of this man.
Thu May 14, 2015, 12:36 PM
May 2015

people who are bullied/threatened suicide frequently.

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