Raid on ISIS Leader 'Picture Perfect,' Sen. Dianne Feinstein Says

[Omaha Steve]

Source: ABC News

By STEPHANIE EBBS and BEN SIEGEL

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the vice chair of the Intelligence Committee, said the "picture perfect" raid that killed an ISIS leader this weekend in Syria is "the kind of one-two punch that we should do more of" to combat ISIS.

"I believe that if we're not going to put troops on the ground, then we've got to use our Special Operations Forces to go in and collect intelligence; also be able to capture people that might be able to be helpful," she said Sunday on "This Week."

Feinstein added that she is "very worried" about the Islamic State and its spread to at least 12 countries around North Africa and the Middle East.

According to U.S. officials, the Army's elite Delta Force unit killed Tunisian Abu Sayyaf, a senior ISIS leader involved in the group's illicit oil and gas trade, in an attempt to capture and interrogate Sayyaf about hostages and the terror group's finances.

FULL story and more links at link. Video: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/sen-dianne-feinstein-week-31103852


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[Archae]

1. Bobby "Stupid Party" Jindal was whining about how the US doesn't kill ISIS leaders...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bobby-jindal-thinks-obama-isnt-killing-isis-leaders-same-day-us-killed-isis-top-leader

And this guy wants to be President?

[George II]

2. Well, he was correct on one thing: "it's almost like we live in different worlds"!

I know what world Obama lives in - the REAL world. Which one does Jindal live in?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

3. Well, Dianne, I think those ARE boots on the ground

unless Special Operations folks are trained in levitation.

And no, an operation to capture someone is not considered a success if you kill him. A corpse is not impressed by waterboarding.

[orpupilofnature57]

6. She thinks Betrayus is a success , fuck Diane .

[George II]

9. Were you in the military? "Boots on the ground" refers to troops stationed....

....in the country/territory/et. al. in which combat is taking place.

A quick in and out is NOT "boots on the ground"!

And it was an operation to obtain intelligence, which was successful (as was the capture of the terrorist's wife)

[HereSince1628]

10. Quick in and outs produce deaths that are just as dead. Worse

survivors get captured and things ratchet up...to boots on the ground, which then can't be walked away from because of 'sunk costs' = you can't let the deaths to have been in vane.

I do get how the whole boots on the ground thing works. So do the families of the American dead in Mogadishu.


about this mission though...I wish I knew how many times in US modern history we sent in teams to kidnap people. War doesn't look a whole lot like war anymore to me. It looks a lot like assassinations and kidnappings.

[Telcontar]

21. Modern war is mostly kidnappings and assasi ations

Keeps the overall body count down tho, so there is that.

[geek tragedy]

24. Taking prisoners and killing people

are not new tactics in warfare.

[HereSince1628]

30. That rather twists what I said. Assassinations aren't battle casualties

and intentional kidnappings aren't pows

[geek tragedy]

31. Taking an enemy prisoner is not kidnapping.

Nor is shooting him an assassination when he resists capture.

[Larry Engels]

14. I don't think that's right.

The first military use of the expression "boots on the ground" that we know of was by General Volney F. Warner, to refer to a mission to save the hostages during the Iran hostage crisis in 1980. That was certainly intended to be a "quick in and out."

[George II]

17. Yes, that was the first known use of the phrase, but he meant more than simply.....

....the "in/out" of the hostage rescue mission. In fact it wasn't the rescue mission itself, but the hostage crisis in general.

Here is what he said,

"US options grow more difficults [sic] as the chance of a Soviet response increases. However, many American strategists now argue that even light, token US land forces -- 'getting US combat boots on the ground' as General Warner puts it -- would signal to an enemy that the US is physically guarding the area and can only be dislodged at the risk of war.

[cosmicone]

4. I want more of these raids to kill those even remotely associated with ISIS n/t

[Ford_Prefect]

8. Are you saying you'd accept the inevitable collateral damage?

[PosterChild]

19. Speaking for myself, yes, of course . ...

.... collateral death is to be avoided and minimized as much as is practical. But not at all cost.

[FLPanhandle]

5. ISIS leader dead; our guys are fine, I'd say that is pretty much "picture perfect" too.

I'd like to see more of the same results.

[Ford_Prefect]

7. Somehow when I read that expression I feel like we're being had again.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the vice chair of the Intelligence Committee, said the "picture perfect" raid that killed an ISIS leader this weekend in Syria is "the kind of one-two punch that we should do more of" to combat ISIS.

I hear echos of reports from Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and Palestine: "We've cut the serpent's head off. It cannot continue to live."

I don't for a minute think they have a clue how to stop ISIS. I'm not sure it is something "WE" can stop. Not with all the different Middle-Eastern players involved behind the scenes. Not to mention the American Neo-Cons, Apocalyptic Christians, Neo-Liberals, The MIC and the Israeli right-wing all trying to start the last Holy War.

[swilton]

13. Not only that

1. I don't believe in the notion of 'picture perfect' anti-terrorism ops
2. After the countless 'stories' / propaganda that the press has already fed the public about Jessica Lynch, Osama Bin Laden et. al, I have no reason to believe this piece of manufactured news

[MisterP]

20. I'll go further than that: by 2017 we'll be fighting alongside ISIS/acting as their air force

heck, we hired AQ for Libya and Syria and Israeli hospitals are treating Nusra fighters

I've read these people's classified docs: they didn't think more than 3 months ahead in the 80s, and I doubt it's gotten any longer since then

[Ford_Prefect]

22. I keep seeing images of who we "hired" to fight in Iraq and the damage he did in Our Name.

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A fine christian warrior and paranoid Uber-patriot. Leader of a dedicated group of "professionals" whose work includes the al-Nisoor Square massacre, the First battle of Fallujah, along with foreign and domestic contract murder, weapons smuggling and money laundering on a global scale. Available for interventions or insurgencies whether foreign or domestic. "Unscripted" Foreign Policy a specialty.
(see: New Orleans, September 2005 or http://www.democracynow.org/2005/9/12/overkill_feared_blackwater_mercenaries_deploy_in
http://www.roamagency.com/pages/1560259795.html)

[libdem4life]

11. A Picture-Perfect Murder. n/t

[geek tragedy]

23. You ought to consult a dictionary before

using words like "murder" given that it's clearly inapplicable here.

ISIS is not the victim of US aggression.

[libdem4life]

25. Thank you for sharing. I can call whatever it I like. Don't need a dictionary.

Breathing vs. Not Breathing ... whether it's the DP, or random cop shooting, or "state authorized" in war, or singling out people we don't like just because we can...No. Just. No.

So, it is absolutely Inappropriate to call any Intentional Death "picture perfect". For years I've waited for DiFi to change her party affiliation. Her husband builds prisons and gets Huge Contracts from the government..talk about a conflict of interest???

Assuming you do not live in California and I'll not insult as does the above post and send one of the thousands of links.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/03/dianne_feinsteins_husband_wins_nearbillion_dollar_california_high_speed_rail_contract.html

[geek tragedy]

27. Affirming the consequent propositional fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

Every murder is a killing
This was a killing
Therefore this was murder.

Sorry, no.

[libdem4life]

28. Agree to disagree. Peace Out.

[Scurrilous]

12. Seymour Hersh haz a sad. n/t

[romanic]

15. I dunno.

Even if the ISIS leader is taken out, what's stopping those freaks from finding another "leader"?

[libdem4life]

29. Our Hydra Fixation from the Iraq fiasco. The enemy of my friend is my enemy.

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This is all one needs to know. It's not like we haven't watched it for decades now.


3. a persistent or many-sided problem that presents new obstacles as soon as one aspect is solved.

Also, referred to as Blowback. Nothing new under the sun. Solomon


http://www.search.ask.com/web?tpid=ARSSP3-MED&pf=V7&o=APN11429&p2=^BC8^YYYYYY^BO^US&gct=&itbv=12.27.0.999&apn_uid=7CED65DF-7186-4D53-A699-C2C7A9F1AC50&apn_ptnrs=^BC8&apn_dtid=^YYYYYY^BO^US&apn_dbr=ff_37.0&doi=2015-04-27&trgb=CR&psv=&pt=tb&q=hydra+definition

[roody]

16. She and her husband must have made some money off it. nt

[libdem4life]

26. Fienstein/Blum make the Clintons look like paupers. They have been at this Long Before the Clintons

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And most Californians hate it, but cannot do one thing about it. And they have tried.

[Kingofalldems]

18. Must have been picture perfect--Fox news did not mention it

for at least an hour after the story broke. For one hour they focused on Hilary Clinton being a croook and possible terrorism in the train crash--with the implication Obama was at fault.