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Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:11 AM May 2015

Helmet camera captured deadly Yosemite cliff jump

Source: AP

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A camera on the helmet of cliff jumper Dean Potter, who died in Yosemite National Park, shows that he may have tried to avoid his friend who slammed into a ridge and then hit the rocks himself a split second later, a park official said.

It's not clear what went wrong, but authorities are using the video captured by Potter's GoPro and other images to reveal how he and Graham Hunt — both wearing wingsuits — died in the illegal stunt.

Mike Gauthier, the park's chief of staff, said images show that several seconds after the jump, Hunt clipped the right side of a notch in a ridge. Potter swooped left possibly to miss Hunt, Gauthier said, but then hit the rocks just beyond Hunt on the opposite side of the notch.

"It could have been an evasive maneuver," Gauthier told the San Francisco Chronicle in a Tuesday report (http://bit.ly/1Bac3v5 ). "Someone else said they saw a clipped piece of a tree up there, so we don't know for sure."

FULL story at link.



In this Monday, Nov. 15, 2010 photo provided by Tomas Ovalle, extreme athlete Dean Potter stands in front of El Capitan after a speed climbing attempt up El Capitan in Yosemite National Park, Calif. Potter, renowned for his daring and sometimes rogue climbs and BASE jumps, and his climbing partner Graham Hunt were killed Saturday, May 16, 2015 after jumping from a 7,500-foot promontory called Taft Point in Yosemite National Park. (AP Photo/Tomas Ovalle)

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2b3dcc38ab07440e8962070ed3d6a4e6/helmet-camera-captured-deadly-yosemite-cliff-jump

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Helmet camera captured deadly Yosemite cliff jump (Original Post) Omaha Steve May 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2015 #1
Who asked you to feel anything? morningfog May 2015 #3
Who allegedly is instructing you what to feel? LanternWaste May 2015 #14
No. You're supposed to feel sociopathic and uncaring when white guys die. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #16
A+. Sgt Preston May 2015 #21
+1 joshcryer May 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2015 #69
No. No, they're not. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #70
And this is why you have no friends .... Trajan May 2015 #73
Grow up. phil89 May 2015 #26
LOL Wut? Rebubula May 2015 #32
Nope...he died doing what he loved. ileus May 2015 #37
He was breaking the law with his jump. Sure it's his own life but he's influencing others, like the trillion May 2015 #58
He loved smashing his body against rocks? hugo_from_TN May 2015 #62
I rather doubt that in the last second or so before impact IDemo May 2015 #67
Nope, you should feel happy they went out like they wanted Exultant Democracy May 2015 #40
"They went out they way they wanted." ZX86 May 2015 #49
There are people who live life more on the edge titaniumsalute May 2015 #66
LOL! Yeah, that's gotta be worth some serious points... Marengo May 2015 #48
So this is your first thought? Lex May 2015 #50
They say he always had his dog Whisper sorefeet May 2015 #2
His dog was not with him. morningfog May 2015 #4
Good... No, I'm not diminishing the loss of human life, but I hate putting one's pet at risk hlthe2b May 2015 #6
me,too leftyladyfrommo May 2015 #7
But Whisper was harnessed and roped on most of his climbs Brother Buzz May 2015 #23
He took excellent care of his dog. Sunlei May 2015 #29
He sure as heck did. Brother Buzz May 2015 #30
Stupid is as stupid does. Hoppy May 2015 #5
They went down loving what riversedge May 2015 #8
really not a horrible way to die exboyfil May 2015 #10
While it may be lawbreaking, it harmed no one but himself.. and he paid the ultimate price n/t secondwind May 2015 #9
The harm would be if they got snagged on a rock or outcrop Hoppy May 2015 #11
I wonder if this and summit ting should have fees to cover rescue exboyfil May 2015 #13
Exactly. It's not the cost of the recovery, but the danger it places others in. Xithras May 2015 #25
It might be better to legalize it exboyfil May 2015 #12
Several years ago, BASE jumpers put on a demo at Yosemite LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2015 #45
And his family. And his friends. And they will pay a price, too. LanternWaste May 2015 #15
family and friends know... handmade34 May 2015 #18
How about the costs to recover the bodies? happyslug May 2015 #17
And if they request reimbursement from the estate they're heartless bastards. tammywammy May 2015 #41
OK then.... Plucketeer May 2015 #19
Yosemite Search and Rescue risk their necks to pick up their shattered bodies psychopomp May 2015 #38
Why not leave them for the birds? jberryhill May 2015 #55
Not entirely true. Drahthaardogs May 2015 #47
Wonder if it ever crossed his mind to get in a hot-air balloon packman May 2015 #20
The hard, bumpy things are the whole point. mn9driver May 2015 #27
It was probably the weather. Xithras May 2015 #22
Yosemite National Park should be sued for having those attractive nuisances. Coventina May 2015 #24
The "wingsuit" was beautiful to see him fly. To dangerous a sport. National Geographic 'approved' Sunlei May 2015 #28
Limits must be pushed (no joke) jomin41 May 2015 #31
The ultimate narcissist engaging in illegal activity. mnhtnbb May 2015 #33
Wile E Coyote tried to warn us but no, we wouldn't listen.... Monk06 May 2015 #35
I think these kind of people are crazy Skittles May 2015 #36
+1 FLPanhandle May 2015 #39
Many advances have been made by people taking senseless risks. Kaleva May 2015 #74
Darwin award winner workinclasszero May 2015 #42
Seems like inevitable suicide to me TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #61
well said roody May 2015 #63
This should be illegal. PRB May 2015 #43
In many places it is illegal. ManiacJoe May 2015 #44
Um, the article says it was illegal. nt Lex May 2015 #51
There should be stricter penalties PRB May 2015 #54
Why? jberryhill May 2015 #56
You need examples in society. PRB May 2015 #75
He's dead jberryhill May 2015 #76
What about young kids? PRB May 2015 #77
How would stricter penalties stop "What if being dead is deemed cool?" uppityperson May 2015 #78
Getting a fine is not seen as cool PRB May 2015 #79
It is illegal. Travis_0004 May 2015 #59
Probably safer to do it indoors... LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2015 #46
to investigate this 'accident', follow the money ...nt quadrature May 2015 #52
Maybe they should have paid attention to the don't do this it's illegal boomer55 May 2015 #53
This type of recreation is a luxury of the well-fed. roody May 2015 #57
Very true Stella_Artois May 2015 #60
as long as they don't land on any innocent bystanders... yurbud May 2015 #64
I really don't think "extreme athlete"... sendero May 2015 #65
So I suppose they'll release the video? treestar May 2015 #68
This isn't THE video Crabby Appleton May 2015 #71
thank you treestar May 2015 #72

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Who allegedly is instructing you what to feel?
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:52 AM
May 2015

Who allegedly is instructing you what to feel about this incident?

Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #16)

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
58. He was breaking the law with his jump. Sure it's his own life but he's influencing others, like the
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:21 AM
May 2015

guy who died first in this jump. And, injury and death is probably why it's an illegal stunt.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
67. I rather doubt that in the last second or so before impact
Tue May 26, 2015, 07:45 AM
May 2015

he was thinking "God, I love doing this!"

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
40. Nope, you should feel happy they went out like they wanted
Sat May 23, 2015, 02:46 PM
May 2015

Not in some lame car accident getting mowed down by a minivan running late to soccer practice, or the myriad of other mundane deaths that await the majority of us. When you die will the world care even an shred of an iota as much as it care about this?

You can feel sorry for the people they left behind who I am sure are hurting and try to show a modicum of respect to the dead. But don't feel too bad for sounding like a total jerk, I doubt they read this and if they did I doubt they would very much care what a person like you thinks.

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
49. "They went out they way they wanted."
Sun May 24, 2015, 10:10 PM
May 2015

What they did was illegal and for good reason. Those idiots were selfish and stupid and paid the ultimate price. Now some civil servant will have to risk their own safety looking for them, scraping their remains off jagged rocks, and hauling it off in buckets. People who commit suicide in a violent manner whether intentional or not, are extremely selfish. Nobody wants to find and clean up people with gunshots to the head or dismembered bodies splattered across family recreational areas.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
66. There are people who live life more on the edge
Tue May 26, 2015, 07:22 AM
May 2015

The problem comes when others are impacted by the decisions to live on the edge. If you like to drag race do it somewhere organized...not on the streets. If you like to base jump...do it where it's legal so rescue teams are more able to help when needed.

I have set up and fired professional fireworks displays for more than 20 years. Yes it is dangerous, but I have been through dozens of safety classes and know how to do it safely and legally. Hopefully I never have an accident. The main key though is to make sure the surrounding people remain safe.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
2. They say he always had his dog Whisper
Wed May 20, 2015, 07:30 AM
May 2015

with him. I hope he didn't have him this time. Poor dog don't have no say so.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
8. They went down loving what
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:13 AM
May 2015

they did-and together. Horrible way to die but ....maybe for them--they will find peace. I hope their families do

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
10. really not a horrible way to die
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:50 AM
May 2015

I would prefer it to taking 2 years to die from cancer. The biggest shame is that he leaves a girlfriend with children that I think he was a father figure to. I don't know about the younger one. Lots of years lost though.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
11. The harm would be if they got snagged on a rock or outcrop
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:51 AM
May 2015

and other people were to risk their lives to save their stupid asses.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
13. I wonder if this and summit ting should have fees to cover rescue
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:56 AM
May 2015

The sport really should cover the societal cost associated with it. I guess the argument could extend to lifeguards on public beaches as well.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
25. Exactly. It's not the cost of the recovery, but the danger it places others in.
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:34 PM
May 2015

There are places in Yosemite Valley that are incredibly hard to access and dangerous to visit , so they see very little foot traffic. The Ledge Route and Tenaya Canyon are obvious examples, but there are steep and dangerous places along the walls all throughout the Valley.

The NPS's worry isn't the cost of the rescue, but the fact that bodies from jumpers tend to end up high along the Valley walls in these hard to access and dangerous spots. Because the NPS isn't going to just leave dead bodies laying around in the park, it means that another human being has to risk his life to go into those risky places and retrieve it. That danger to others, and not the money involved, is the harm it places on society.

And it's worth mentioning that YOSAR saves very few lives. Yosemite is an incredibly unforgiving place and granite is not soft. When people fall in Yosemite, the result is usually body recovery.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
12. It might be better to legalize it
Wed May 20, 2015, 08:53 AM
May 2015

They jump towards evening to avoid legal entanglements including loss of their equipment. just don,t go looking for a deep pocket if something goes wrong.

45. Several years ago, BASE jumpers put on a demo at Yosemite
Sun May 24, 2015, 03:27 AM
May 2015

in an attempt to get NPS's blessing to pursue their sport. One jumper's parachute didn't open.

Needless to say, they didn't get the permission they sought.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. And his family. And his friends. And they will pay a price, too.
Wed May 20, 2015, 09:53 AM
May 2015

"it harmed no one but himself.." And his family. And his friends. And they will pay a price, too.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
18. family and friends know...
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:42 AM
May 2015

his choice, no harm

he died doing what he loved, I'm sure his family will have many fond memories

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
17. How about the costs to recover the bodies?
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:11 AM
May 2015

Someone paid for the removal of the bodies and looking at the terrain we are talking about Helicopters. Helicopters fees are NOT cheap.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
41. And if they request reimbursement from the estate they're heartless bastards.
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:11 PM
May 2015

That's what some will think at least. I think they should get reimbursed, the same if people get rescued due to their own stupidity.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
19. OK then....
Wed May 20, 2015, 10:43 AM
May 2015

So if no one but these daredevils were impacted (literally) - why IS it a violation of the law to do stuff like this??? Other'n bragging rights, the adrenalin rush or MAYBE some revenue return for their GoPro footage, HOW would these stunts be justified? As has been noted here already - there's some significant costs to taxpayers for the "clean-up" of these guy's failed taunt of fate. And even if there was a Gofundme cleanup cost drive, that still doesn't compensate those who put THEIR lives on the line to clean up the public park in the aftermath.
Not just with these jumper sorts - there have been rescue efforts in the past where rescuers lost their lives (or suffered injury) trying to save folks after they'd stupidly backed themselves into a corner. These jumpers were taunting fate - purposely to get their "jollies". I have to wonder if they ever objectively talked about the aftermath of the day they would fail? If you LIVE to taunt the ol' "Reaper", eventually he's gonna be annoyed enough with you to put an end to your teasing him. And from the great beyond, there's what? A heartfelt, but inaudible "sorry!" to those left to clean up (and pay for) the mess?

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
38. Yosemite Search and Rescue risk their necks to pick up their shattered bodies
Sat May 23, 2015, 10:16 AM
May 2015

Death by misadventure and suicide in Yosemite always necessitates the involvement of SAR. who have to put their lives just as much on the line to find and retrieve bodies off of ridges and outcrops.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
55. Why not leave them for the birds?
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:43 PM
May 2015

Surely animal carcasses are nothing unusual there.

Who cleans up if an old mountain goat falls?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
47. Not entirely true.
Sun May 24, 2015, 09:13 AM
May 2015

Recovering bodies is expensive stuff as well as the investigation into his death. We will pay the bill for this.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
20. Wonder if it ever crossed his mind to get in a hot-air balloon
Wed May 20, 2015, 11:53 AM
May 2015

and jump out of it and avoid all those hard, bumpy things on the way down.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. It was probably the weather.
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:15 PM
May 2015

We've been having unsettled weather and winds in Northern California since last Thursday which dumped a bit of rain across most of the state, has been keeping our temperatures below normal, and will be dropping more rain and snow in the Sierra's starting tomorrow. When I heard that he'd been killed, I was a bit surprised that ANYONE would be doing that kind of thing in this weather. While it wasn't raining up there on Saturday, it was still a bit blustery across most of the mountain range.

My guess, as a person who wasn't there, hasn't seen the video, and was 90 miles away when it happened, is that the wind pushed them off course and they missed the notch in the rocks they were aiming for.

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
24. Yosemite National Park should be sued for having those attractive nuisances.
Wed May 20, 2015, 12:31 PM
May 2015

Clearly, that is what is to blame, here....

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. The "wingsuit" was beautiful to see him fly. To dangerous a sport. National Geographic 'approved'
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

Mar 14, 2012 Dean Potters epic jump with Mt. Edens Bat for Lashes as the music.
Clip from the National Geographic documentary "The man who can fly"


Skittles

(153,159 posts)
36. I think these kind of people are crazy
Sat May 23, 2015, 04:37 AM
May 2015

but I concede that life would be very boring indeed if no one took senseless risks

My sympathy to their loved ones

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
74. Many advances have been made by people taking senseless risks.
Thu May 28, 2015, 05:03 AM
May 2015

The inventor of video recording oneself doing something senseless and dangerous was a man by the name of Franz Reichelt and he did this in 1912.

Now we have tv shows on cable that are all about youtube videos of people getting themselves hurt doing stupid stuff.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
42. Darwin award winner
Sat May 23, 2015, 03:30 PM
May 2015

Gravity wins again. Couldn't see that coming.

More first world, idle rich folk problems.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
61. Seems like inevitable suicide to me
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:53 PM
May 2015

They don't know when they will die, but it's a good chance it will be soon.

 

PRB

(139 posts)
43. This should be illegal.
Sun May 24, 2015, 01:04 AM
May 2015

These activities are very dangerous. You have an entire industry that benefits by selling things like equipment, but then people die. It's not worth it. I get tired of seeing this.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
56. Why?
Sun May 24, 2015, 11:47 PM
May 2015

Pray tell what "stricter penalty" will deter someone who is determined to engage in an activity which has a substantial risk of death?

Let's see... I might die but, OMG there might be a huge fine.
 

PRB

(139 posts)
75. You need examples in society.
Thu May 28, 2015, 03:27 PM
May 2015

If people are not deterred, then this will mushroom. It's insidious. Pretty soon you have an entire generation that grows up with this and it sticks. It's called common sense safety.

 

PRB

(139 posts)
77. What about young kids?
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:01 PM
May 2015

What about younger people who do this because they take their inspiration from this person? What if being dead is deemed cool? If you're an adult, then you have this responsibility. If you're engaged in sports like this, then it's a given that you will be a role model. Whether you want that responsibility or not. No excuses for poor behavior.

 

PRB

(139 posts)
79. Getting a fine is not seen as cool
Fri May 29, 2015, 08:04 PM
May 2015

If the fine is stiff enough, then you're just hurting in the wallet. Nothing bad ass about getting a fine. It's not like being in jail.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
59. It is illegal.
Mon May 25, 2015, 06:40 AM
May 2015

But skydiving is not illegal, so of course there is a whole industry dedicated to skydiving, and some people will use that equipment for base jumping.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
65. I really don't think "extreme athlete"...
Tue May 26, 2015, 05:44 AM
May 2015

... is accurate, these guys were daredevils pure and simple. I'm sure they got a serious adrenaline rush doing this, but like anyone who tempts fate enough times, they eventually lost.

I feel sorry for their families.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. So I suppose they'll release the video?
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:28 AM
May 2015

Since that was the lead on the story.

Never heard of a "wing suit" but I suppose that allowed him in theory to jump and be able to ride it out - some type of parachute like thing?

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