Nebraska senators override governor's veto, repeal death penalty
Source: Omaha World-Herald
LINCOLN Nebraska has repealed the death penalty following a dramatic vote Wednesday by state lawmakers to override the governors veto.
The high-stakes vote to override the veto of Legislative Bill 268 was 30-19. It requires at least 30 of 49 senators to overturn a gubernatorial veto.
The outcome represented a defeat for first-term Republican Gov. Pete Ricketts, who made an all-out effort to peel away some of 18 conservative senators who helped pass the repeal bill. Earlier in the session, lawmakers overrode the governors veto of a bill that raises the state gas tax.
And it represents a crowning achievement for Sen. Ernie Chambers of Omaha, who has made repeal of the death penalty his top priority during his four-decade political career.
Read more: http://www.omaha.com/news/legislature/nebraska-senators-override-governor-s-veto-repeal-death-penalty/article_32726c27-0ef4-5415-9d07-f90f08707602.html
Ernie Chambers is an interesting fellow: an avowed atheist who was forced out by a new term limits law in 2000; he ran again in 2012 and was re-elected.
Archae
(46,326 posts)Lisa D
(1,532 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Heard the story on NPR this morning, and one legislator - who pointed out that he identified as a conservative rather than a republican - said he would file an bill the first day of the next session to put the question to a referendum. Sure hope the voices of reason and sanity will be able to prevail if the question does get on the ballot.
I share your hope.
Lagom
(26 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)One more State steps out of the dark ages!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)pigs seen flying around the State Capitol Building !
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)mpcamb
(2,870 posts)This has been among his pet projects thru the years and is a triumph for justice.
He needs to be recognized for a lifelong fight against injustice.
mahannah
(893 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mnhtnbb
(31,384 posts)when we lived in Lincoln from 1994-2000.
Hooray for Ernie!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)Bryce Butler
(338 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)justhanginon
(3,290 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Last edited Wed May 27, 2015, 09:41 PM - Edit history (9)
http://journalstar.com/legislature/senators-vote-to-repeal-death-penalty/article_e2ee72ab-cfe2-548c-b0f7-8a3ccf3b05fa.htmlFor overriding the veto (30): Baker, Bolz, Campbell, Chambers, Coash, Cook, Crawford, Davis, Ebke, Garrett, Gloor, Haar, Hadley, Hansen, Harr, Hilkemann, Howard, Kolowski, Kolterman, Krist, Lindstrom, McCollister, Mello, Morfeld, Nordquist, Pansing Brooks, Schumacher, Seiler, Sullivan, Williams.
Against (19): Bloomfield, Brasch, Craighead, Friesen, Groene, Hughes, Johnson, Kintner, Kuehn, Larson, McCoy, Murante, Riepe, Scheer, Schilz, Schnoor, Smith, Stinner, Watermeier.
Technically the Senate in non partisan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Legislature
According to Wikipedia here is the breakdown by party. I related the party membership with how they voted on the override. 19 GOP Senators voted to uphold the veto, 19 GOP Senators voted to over ride the Veto. All 10 Democrats and the one Independent voted to override the veto (Total number of Senators is 49): I bolded the GOP Senators who voted to OVER RIDE the veto. The Democrats and Independent Senators are in bold AND italicized.
GOP...1. Dan Watermeier.....Syracuse
GOP...2 Bill Kintner..............Papillion
GOP...3 Tommy Garrett........Bellevue(Appointed)
GOP...4 Robert Hilkemann.....Omaha
DEM...5 Heath Mello............Omaha
GOP...6 Joni Craighead........Omaha
DEM...7 Jeremy Nordquist.....Omaha
DEM...8 Burke Harr..............Omaha
DEM...9 Sara Howard...........Omaha
GOP...10 Bob Krist................Omaha
IND...11 Ernie Chambers.......Omaha
GOP...12 Merv Riepe.............Ralston.
DEM...13 Tanya Cook.............Omaha
GOP...14 Jim Smith................Papillion
GOP...15 David Schnoor.........Fremont (Appointed)
GOP...16 Lydia Brasch............Bancroft
GOP...17 Dave Bloomfield........Hoskins
GOP...18 Brett Lindstrom........Omaha
GOP...19 Jim Scheer..............Norfolk
GOP...20 John McCollister.......Omaha
DEM...21 Ken Haar.................Malcolm
GOP...22 Paul Schumacher......Columbus
GOP...23 Jerry Johnson...........Wahoo
GOP...24 Mark Kolterman.........Seward
GOP...25 Kathy Campbell.........Lincoln
DEM...26 Matt Hansen............Lincoln
GOP...27 Colby Coash.............Lincoln
GOP...28 Patty Pansing Brooks.Lincoln
GOP...29 Kate Bolz.................Lincoln
GOP...30 Roy Baker................Lincoln
GOP...31 Rick Kolowski............Omaha
GOP...32 Laura Ebke...............Crete
GOP...33 Les Seiler.................Hastings
GOP...34 Curt Friesen.............Henderson
GOP...35 Mike Gloor................Grand Island
GOP...36 Matt Williams............Lexington
GOP...37 Galen Hadley............Kearney (Speaker of the Legislature)
GOP...38 John Kuehn...............Heartwell
GOP...39 Beau McCoy..............Omaha
GOP...40 Tyson Larson............O'Neill
DEM...41 Kate Sullivan.............Cedar Rapids
GOP...42 Mike Groene..............North Platte
GOP...43 Al Davis...................Hyannis
GOP...44 Dan Hughes..............Venango
DEM...45 Sue Crawford............Bellevue
DEM...46 Adam Morfeld............Lincoln
GOP...47 Ken Schilz................Ogallala
GOP...48 John Stinner.............Gering
GOP...49 John Murante............Gretna
jayschool
(180 posts)How does Lincoln, a city of 275,000, the state capital and home to the University of Nebraska, Nebraska Wesleyan University, and with a voting population close to 50/50 Democrats and Republicans, end up with 5 of 6 of its senators from the GOP?
How does the second Congressional District, which voted for President Obama in 2008, end up with 9 Republicans, 5 Democrats and 1 Independent?
Man, am I tired of Republicans being over-represented in legislative bodies and executive mansions.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Now, Israel votes by parties not individuals. The more votes a party gets, the more members of the Israeli Knesset they can name (Total votes are counted and divided by the total number of seats, then the parties with more then that number gets seats in proportion to the total). This system eliminates gerrymandering for if the country is 33% African American, the party the African Americans support will get at least 33% of the total seats.
The problem is such nationwide voting has its own downside, i.e. small minority parties can win enough votes nationwide to get a seat, and then use the need to get 50% of the seats to support the government to demand outrageous demands. This happens in Israeli all the time, the two main parties need the votes of these smaller parties (and for internal politcal reasons will NOT let into their governing coalition the 25 to 30% of the Seats held by Palestinians who live and are citizens of Israel).
A good system of voting tends to use BOTH systems. An vote from different regions so the interests of those reasons are addressed AND a "proportional" vote in areas where the intermixing of people of different interests are so intermix that a Regional Representation is to easily gerrymander (Clinton's First Choice for EEOC Director advocated this type of voting in certain Urban Areas to preserve Minority racial voting power, she was attack for advocating that method of voting by the GOP and her nomination was withdrawn).
The answer to Gerrymandering may be proportional representation, especially in urban areas.
Side note: A lot of cities in the US has City Council members elected at large, that is NOT the same as Proportional Representation. At large generally have two or more candidates and each voter gets to vote for two, but can NOT vote twice for the same candidate. This has the effect of minimizing minority votes. If a Minority has a favored candidate and votes for that Candidate, and then votes for three other Candidates, the voter has in reality voted three times AGAINST his favored candidate (The top four vote getters get elected in this scenario). Thus to get the voter's favorite Candidate elected, the voter has to NOT vote for anyone else, thus reducing his vote by three quarters (the Voter ends up casting one vote not four votes). This is the problem with at large systems that a proportional system bypasses. In a proportional system the same top four vote getters still get elected, but each voter only votes once, not four times (A variation of this is to permit four votes on one candidate). This type of voting is permitted and done in Corporations all the time, to protect minority interest (in the case of Corporation a minority of investors whose interests are different then the Majority of the investors in that corporations).
Now, proportional representation can be used to control gerrymandering a different way, but adopting a simple rule "Any County, whose population can support ONE election district by its own population, has the option of requiting any and all such election districts that contains any part of said county, to be merged into one election district and that the election results shall be proportional, If two or more counties have such population and share a Election District, either county my opt for the merger of the Election Districts".
In most states, the counties with the population that can support one election district by themselves tend to be urban centers. The above rule would give such urban centers a huge control over gerrymandering. The State Legislature could still gerrymander, but if they are to creative, the urban counties could force these creations into one huge district with proportional representation.
Here is the partisan split in Pennsylvania by US Congressional Districts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania%27s_congressional_districts
The above rule would require, three districts in Western Pennsylvania to vote as one for the State Legislature made Pittsburgh and its older suburbs in a 90% plus democratic District, while doing they best to make the other two district 52% Democratic, which is enough to win those districts with heavy advertising and claiming the Democrats are Anti-coal (You saw this in both of these districts, about the Democrats "War on Coal", both districts have a lot of active coal mining AND a lot of ex coal miners. who except for Coal Equal Jobs would vote Democratic).
In the Philly area, an area I am less familiar with, it looks like just two Congressional districts would be merged under the above rule, but the State Senate and House would be affected and in many ways that is more important for it gives more votes to the people who actually draws up these districts.
You must understand that a Congressional District must have at least 710,767 people in the district (Except if the State has less then that population, then they get one Representative).
At the present time, only three Counties in Pennsylvania exceed $710,767, that is Philadelphia, Allegheny (County Seat Pittsburgh) and Montgomery (A suburban county of Philadelphia).
http://www.us-places.com/Pennsylvania/population-by-County.htm
Each State Senator represents about 250-260,000 people. 15 Counties exceed that number:
Philadelphia......1,548,647
Allegheny.........1,229,912
Montgomery........808,946
Bucks.................7626,377
Delaware.............560,699
Lancaster............526,436
Chester...............506,190
York....................437,411
Berks...................412,948
Westmoreland.......363,233
Lehigh.................354,746
Luzerne...............321,423
Northampton.........299,371
Erie.....................280,823
Dauphin...............269,797
Remember this would be CHECK on gerrymandering, a county would NOT have to opt for it, but it could. Often such a check is enough to keep most thieves honest. If a county exercise it once every 20 to 30 years, that would implant enough fear that the legislature will NOT want to do anything to get one of the above counties mad at them.
So much gerrymandering is expected, you really need to show that you have more then a bare majority if you want to change and gerrymandering does that to a degree. The problem is such gerrymandering has become excessive in recent decades.
Back to Omaha. On a State Wide basis, the State Senate Districts look compact:
The Omaha and Lincoln Area districts look compact (But I am from Western PA, where we have some real strange districts over the years):
State Senate District 27 looks to be the strangest, but compared to Pennsylvania looks compact.
Given the above, and what the US Supreme Court has permitted in Texas and Pennsylvania, this is NOT bad.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I hope that happens in Delaware too. The governor there may cooperate.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)groundloop
(11,518 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,146 posts)Putting people to death is shockingly expensive.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)Now all they have to do is not follow it up with a Teahadi sweep of the legislature that reverses the move.
bobjacksonk2832
(50 posts)I hope the other states in this country follow suit.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)State Sen. Ernie Chambers is suing God. He said on Monday that it is to prove a point about frivolous lawsuits.
http://www.ketv.com/State-Sen-Ernie-Chambers-Sues-God/10211380
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Lagom
(26 posts)One times, two times, three times, he has voted to abolish the death penalty in the state of Nebraska.
He has already told the governor where he stands. He has already told his mother where he stands.
At 3:59 p.m., the speaker of the house calls his name. In a quiet, clear voice, Brett Lindstrom says a single word: Yes. The speaker presses a green button that lights up a green dot next to his name. Seconds later, there are 30 green dots on the board, the exact number needed to abolish the death penalty in Nebraska. He stands up. He stretches. He still looks tired, but now he looks like a man who will sleep well tonight.
It would have been easier to vote the other way, thats for sure, he tells me after he shakes a few hands and wipes a layer of sweat off his forehead. It was the hardest vote I ever made. But gathering the facts and making hard choices is what I was elected to do.
Today, thats what I believe I did.
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I am sure he is horrid on most issues, but he made the right choice on this.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)19 states and DC have abolished the death penalty. 31 states still have it. I wonder which state will be next.
States that still have the death penalty.
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming
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