8-Year-Old, Another Woman Killed In Baltimore Shooting

[Bacchus4.0]

Source: CBS

BALTIMORE (WJZ) — An 8-year-old boy and another 31-year-old woman were shot in the head in Baltimore city Thursday morning.

Officers were called to the 100 block of Upmanor Rd for a report of a shooting around 8:19 a.m.

When they arrived they found the woman suffering from a gunshot wound to the head. Then police found a second victim — the boy — with a gunshot wound to his head.

Both were pronounced dead on the scene.


Read more: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/8-year-old-another-woman-killed-in-baltimore-shooting/

[onehandle]

1. Must have guns because of freedumb. nt

[Raine1967]

2. After seeing the happening this past weekend,

I have to wonder if the Baltimore Police are pulling a silent strike (the way NYC a few months ago) This article seems to concur:
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/28/baltimore-residents-fearful-amid-rash-of-homicides/

Perrine’s brother is one of 36 people killed in Baltimore so far this month, already the highest homicide count for May since 1999. But while homicides are spiking, arrests have plunged more than 50 percent compared to last year.

The drop in arrests followed the death of Freddie Gray from injuries he suffered in police custody. Gray’s death sparked protests against the police and some rioting, and led to the indictment of six officers.

Now West Baltimore residents worry they’ve been abandoned by the officers they once accused of harassing them. In recent weeks, some neighborhoods have become like the Wild West without a lawman around, residents said.

“Before it was over-policing. Now there’s no police,” said Donnail “Dreads” Lee, 34, who lives in the Gilmor Homes, the public housing complex where Gray, 25, was arrested.

[elleng]

3. Wouldn't surprise me.

They're upset that some of theirs are being called out for mistakes.

[Raine1967]

7. Please forgive me for the link, but this was on Fox news a few days ago:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/26/no-proactive-policing-right-now-baltimore-cop-says-violence-will-get-worse

A current Baltimore police officer who chose to hide his identity reacted on "Hannity" tonight, saying that the surge in violence is a "direct result" from the six officers who were indicted by a grand jury in the death of Freddie Gray.

"After the protests, it seems like the citizens would appreciate a lack of police presence, and that's exactly what they're getting," the officer said. "No proactive policing right now."

Sean Hannity asked the officer if other Baltimore cops are afraid to do their jobs.

"When you go out into the street, you trust that your command staff and those you work with will support you," the officer replied. "The tip of the spear needs the most assurance that your department, your citizens, your mayor and city council have your back."

absolutely horrific.

[elleng]

9. Awful.

Again, no surprise.

[geek tragedy]

6. There wasn't a spike here in NYC when the cops stopped arresting people.

If people are going to shoot someone, they're going to do it when cops aren't around no matter what.

[Raine1967]

8. There is No Proactive policing happening. That is a big difference I think.

[geek tragedy]

10. one person's pro-active policing is another's stop-and-frisk/harassment

Baltimore PD is very poorly trained.

[Raine1967]

13. That is true.

The thing is, for all the issues with the NYC PD, the city itself has moved way beyond what it was in the 80's. West Baltimore is a lot like NYC was back then.

There needs to be a balance between brutal policing and No policing at all.

[7962]

18. Gee, ya think? Any surprise?

[Taitertots]

4. Are the police going to start doing their jobs?

or will their leadership continue to allow them to "slow down" to coerce the people to accept their continued criminal behavior?

[PersonNumber503602]

14. Is there anything that suggests that the police were negligent in this shooting?

Was there 911 call they ignored?

[Taitertots]

36. An intentional "slow down" is negligence.

Or do you think the police are behaving responsibly (Regarding the work slowdown)?

[PersonNumber503602]

39. Is there a confirmed intentional slow down?

I've only seen theories about such a thing. I haven't seen anything specific that says that's what driving the increased violence. It's very likely I just haven't dug dig deep enough, or that I missed something important. That's why I'm asking if there was something more that is driving those claims. Such as 911 calls that were either ignored or had unacceptable response times.

And to answer your question, it would not be acceptable or responsible for the police to intentionally slow down response time as some form of protest.

[Igel]

15. I suspect they thought they were.

And someone flipped the script on them.

Now it's unclear where the boundaries are. What used to be okay might or might not be okay, and it's a nasty situation to be in when the population you work among is hostile *and* your bosses are hostile. You need to be able to trust somebody, and that, it turns out, is only your fellow officers. (This is a bad situation and what's happened will only make that part of the problem worse.)

Given both the public's mood and the videophilia that seems to be endemic, no officer wants to be caught up in the next feeding frenzy.

[7962]

19. Well put.

[Taitertots]

38. Someone flipped the script?

They thought they could break the law with impunity. Now they are finding out that their past criminality isn't going to be accepted by the public or their supervisors.

The police know or should know the law well enough to know what isn't acceptable (i.e. beating innocent people to death). The only people confused are criminals wearing police uniforms.

[Oktober]

44. That's the answer...

What was acceptable before might not be... What might be technically legal could look awful on a video phone...

Add into that a Mayor and prosecutor who make full use of the media and are in desperate need of some scalps to show 'progress' and this is what you get.

[valerief]

5. God bless Freedumb and Libertea and Guns.

[Rex]

11. I bet a lot of people would stand in line to fill out applications to become cops.

Just saying...if they don't want to do their jobs (and the reason is so WRONG that they should all be fired for dereliction of duty) there are PLENTY of people looking for work right now.

Cops need to learn that they MUST be punished when they act like the criminals they are so happy to arrest!

Otherwise, FIRE THEM. Not like they are doing a service to the community. ALL they've done so far, is tell the population that if they (the cops) cannot be immune from their OWN laws...then they will punish innocent people for it by not patrolling.

Pathetic.

[Igel]

16. That applies to some cops.

Not many. Perhaps not most.

The contrast between assumptions and rhetoric and the reality is a real problem.

[Rex]

17. Who assumes that means all cops and why?

Is what I always wonder.

[7962]

20. But are they not responding to calls? That'd be a fireable offense

If all this happens when you stop "pro active policing", then maybe this is all the proof needed to show that it DOES work after all.
They've stopped the "stop & frisk" in NYC too. Murder is up 60+% since Deblasio took office. Why?

[Rex]

21. I'd love to see your source on that number.

Got a link handy?

[7962]

23. Here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/murders-nyc-60-time-year-article-1.2235101
http://nypost.com/2015/05/26/youre-45-more-likely-to-be-murdered-in-de-blasios-manhattan/
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

[Rex]

26. So crime is down in 7 of the 9 major crimes that happened in that city since last year.

And murder is up 12% and rape is up 6%...that according to the cscity.pdf you linked to.

NOTHING about 60% overall.

You might want to correct those numbers.

[Raine1967]

29. See this as well:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1104436

[7962]

31. Correct, I should've made the "Manhattan" distinction.

For some reason, murder is way up there, as well as shootings.

[Raine1967]

22. Do you have a link about that murder rate?

And, do you have some background information that corroborates your suggestion that removing Stop and frisk is why murder rates might be up in NYC?

[7962]

24. Above. I'm not saying thats the reason murder is up,

but thats the only major change since he took office.

[Raine1967]

28. interesting since the NY post link has a cop saying that.

They are also saying that there are not enough LEO's.

I have a hard time believing that removing Stop and Frisk is the reason behind the uptick in murders.

Also, While I believe that no murder is good, the uptick, the one you say is 60%… from the daily news article you posted:

Murders were up 60% from last year for the week to date, as eight people were killed between Friday and Sunday, compared to five people killed during the same period in 2014, according to recently released NYPD statistics.

You said this: Murder is up 60+% since Deblasio took office. Why?

Murder is up 60% from last year in the same week.

That is a big difference from "since Deblasio took office"

[7962]

32. My initial statement was not correct; I should've said Manhattan, not the whole city

[Raine1967]

33. DeBlasio is the mayor of the city. Gale Brewer is the President of the Bourough.

still, your stats are incorrect. The murder rate is not up 60%.

I want to believe you are posting in good faith, but, you still seem to be saying that removing stop and frisk is the reason for an uptick in murder, and that is simply not founded in truth.

[7962]

37. No, I dont know that. I also said I dont know of any other major changes.

I cant say thats why or why not anything is happening. Its just the only major policy change that i know of. There could be more that I'm not aware of.

[Rex]

27. It's not true, the last link totally disproves the 60%.

Crime is down overall from last year...I guess the poster didn't look at his links.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

[Raine1967]

30. I saw that as well.

It's all bullpucky.


In the meantime, people are dying in Baltimore because the police are not doing their job.

[sarisataka]

25. I bet a lot of crime rates would fall

If we overlooked those 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment protections.

No thanks.

Get rid of stop and frisk along with the "Patriot" Act BS; I will happily take my chances in a more dangerous but less authoritarian society.

[FrodosPet]

40. I thought a lack of police was a good thing?

Everyone is supposed to be relaxed and happy and peaceful when not feeling the oppression of police presence.

[cosmicone]

12. Stupid dead people. Didn't they get the Lapier memo that

they would be alive if they had carried guns?

[romanic]

34. *sigh*

That's all i can say to this.

[jonno99]

35. IMO - this is not so much as a "cop" problem as a leadership problem.

"A fish rots from the head down" sort of thing.

The leadership of the city need to do a better job of integrating the officers into the community (getting to know you sessions, block captains, etc... ).

Until the cops are seen as integral members of their community there will continue to be this tension. And as long as the cops are made to feel that their mere presence is the problem, they will remain "aloof" - having no vested interest...

[romanic]

41. Residency requirements

would solve some of the problems you've brought up. I take it the Baltimore police department don't have them do they?

[jonno99]

42. I don't know, but a residency requirement sounds like an excellent step in the right direction. nt

[LanternWaste]

43. Seems the BPD has only two speeds-- choking the innocent, and not doing anything

Seems the BPD has only two speeds-- choking the innocent, and not doing anything. I guess they think it's too difficult to do their jobs with professionalism and transparency.

[NeoConsSuck]

45. Thread Winner!

You summed it up perfectly.

[christx30]

46. There were a bunch of cameras on

the cops that were arresting Eric Garner. Those videos have been circulated all over TV and the Internet. If that's not transparent, I don't know what is. And there was still a huge uproar. I mean, other than not arresting the guy for breaking the law, what could have been done in that situation to mitigate the damage or stop the loss of life, especially if a suspect resists.
The cops in Baltimore probably just don't want to be in a situation where they have to shoot someone, or get shot themselves.
Ride out the rest of their career and get that nice, fat pension.

[libdem4life]

47. My thoughts, exactly. Seems they might take this time for some training in the fine are of Serving

and Protecting. I don't know what's so hard about that. You don't shoot people running in the back, you don't take out some kid for "looking into your eyes" (a throw back from slavery days...blacks were not allowed to look their masters in the eye...head down only), or playing with a toy gun, et al.

In the end most likely, this falls into the category of "If you don't already know what we're talking about, then training is likely not to work." They need a new crop of cops, as I see it, from their community only.