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El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 10:46 PM Jul 2015

Movie theater shooting jury foreman survived 1999 shooting at Columbine High School

Source: 7News Denver

ARAPAHOE COUNTY, Colo. - Jurors in the Aurora movie theater shooting trial selected a survivor of the Columbine High School shooting to be their foreman. He is the one who signed the guilty verdicts.

The juror, whose identity remains a secret of the court, revealed during the selection process that he graduated from Columbine High School in 1999, the year the shooting occurred. He was childhood friends with the Columbine shooters and was close to their victims.

Juror 737 said he spent several years trying to overcome his experience in the high school and originally recoiled at the idea of being on the jury in this trial. After some reflection, however, he said he believed his experiences might make him more capable as a juror.

In May, this juror reported to the court that he realized he was recently acquainted with a witness called by the prosecution. That could have led to his dismissal from the case, but he told the judge he was confident he could remain impartial.

Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/movie-theater-shooting/movie-theater-shooting-jury-foreman-survived-1999-shooting-at-columbine-high-school



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Movie theater shooting jury foreman survived 1999 shooting at Columbine High School (Original Post) El Supremo Jul 2015 OP
Apparently he divulged that during voir dire so it's amazing the defense didn't dismiss him tularetom Jul 2015 #1
And now I bet you the defense uses that as their basis for an appeal bluestateguy Jul 2015 #2
No doubt iandhr Jul 2015 #3
astute observation HFRN Jul 2015 #6
And so they should. The guy should never have been on that jury. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #9
Well, they could have DQed him during jury selection bluestateguy Jul 2015 #13
They most likely were padding their future billing. LompocDem Jul 2015 #18
Well dont they have limit on how many they can ask to be dismissed? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #21
you can't dismiss people who have been involved in shootings CreekDog Jul 2015 #26
A basis for appeal, sure. joshcryer Jul 2015 #25
Especially since they dismissed two alternates for being mugged Recursion Jul 2015 #8
maybe because he said he was childhood friends with the shooters JI7 Jul 2015 #35
Amazing that he wasn't excused ... Myrina Jul 2015 #33
All I'm going to say is the defense truly sucked when it came to jury selection herding cats Jul 2015 #4
It's not as is there was ever any doubt as to Holmes guilt. nt alphafemale Jul 2015 #30
... shenmue Jul 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #7
If the juror lied during voir dire (he didn't) Recursion Jul 2015 #10
Wow, I'm amazed he was selected in the first place. arcane1 Jul 2015 #11
Maybe not so amazing. missingthebigdog Jul 2015 #12
It could raise doubts as to the competence of the defense. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #14
I would think that timdog44 Jul 2015 #15
The judge fucked that up SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #16
Yep. Should not have been up to either the defense or the prosecution. CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #29
I was shocked to see this. montana_hazeleyes Jul 2015 #17
wow... ibegurpard Jul 2015 #19
I have to wonder if this wasn't a calculated decision on the part of the defense Kennah Jul 2015 #20
Now that is some Karma KeepItReal Jul 2015 #22
Mindboggling Aerows Jul 2015 #23
Wow, I got excused from a jury due to gun violence... joshcryer Jul 2015 #24
looks like he has a fair trial and will never get out of prison anyway. Sunlei Jul 2015 #27
Uh oh RandySF Jul 2015 #28
I don't think he changed the outcome of the verdict but that sure looks bad REP Jul 2015 #31
Why? Because honestry & integrity are no longer desirable in a juror? Nihil Jul 2015 #32
How do you know the defense did not object? former9thward Jul 2015 #34
they should have accepted the guilty plea in exchange for life JI7 Jul 2015 #36
Bingo! El Supremo Jul 2015 #37
 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
6. astute observation
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 10:59 PM
Jul 2015

there can be no other explanation

but this guys dying in prison, be it in 10-20 years from lethal injection, or 60 years from now, of old age

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
9. And so they should. The guy should never have been on that jury.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jul 2015

The shooter will get new counsel and they will use this to show the incompetence of the defense. Also, the judge erred when he allowed the guy to stay on the jury after he disclosed he knew a witness.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
13. Well, they could have DQed him during jury selection
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jul 2015

and it was known to the defense that he had this in his past. But they chose to let him serve.

LompocDem

(143 posts)
18. They most likely were padding their future billing.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jul 2015

This is how the 1% works the justice system. This defendant isn't among the 1% but his lawyers most certainly are...speculation on my part.
Please, I'm not slamming lawyers. They are an invaluable part of our justice system but some are only in it for the money and only want the monetary rewards of their efforts no mater what is right.

cstanleytech

(26,303 posts)
21. Well dont they have limit on how many they can ask to be dismissed?
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jul 2015

And besides you would think the prosecutor would also move for dismissal as well because it puts the verdict in jeopardy.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
26. you can't dismiss people who have been involved in shootings
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jul 2015

thanks to the gun lobby it's becoming too common.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
25. A basis for appeal, sure.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:22 AM
Jul 2015

But it won't go anywhere. The judge would've thrown him out if he didn't think the guy could work toward impartiality.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Especially since they dismissed two alternates for being mugged
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:09 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe they think 17 years is a long enough time?

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
4. All I'm going to say is the defense truly sucked when it came to jury selection
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 10:55 PM
Jul 2015

There was also another juror who had a family member who survived Columbine. I'm not making this up, you can find it someplace on the internet I'm sure.

Response to El Supremo (Original post)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. If the juror lied during voir dire (he didn't)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:13 PM
Jul 2015

Or if it can be shown that his attorney acted negligently, conceivably (though SCOTUS has been tightening that up insanely lately). However, his two lawyers (Tamara Brady and Daniel King) have been working capital cases for 20 years now.

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
12. Maybe not so amazing.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jul 2015

He was childhood friends with the shooters at Columbine.
A defense attorney could conclude that such a person might be sympathetic to the shooter.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
14. It could raise doubts as to the competence of the defense.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jul 2015

What kind of attorney would allow someone with his background on the jury?

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
15. I would think that
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:44 PM
Jul 2015

both sides would have been compassionate enough to dismiss these people. The PTSD they must be suffering and then to bring it all back with a trial and confronting the shooters, the shooters, friends, the victims of the crimes and how far must I go. They should not be on the trail for humanitarian reasons. The judge should have rejected them in the original jury pool selection.

Kennah

(14,290 posts)
20. I have to wonder if this wasn't a calculated decision on the part of the defense
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:00 AM
Jul 2015

Guilt couldn't have ever really been in question. Insanity was always possible.

Could the defense have reasoned that this juror might hold some sway in pushing for a life sentence rather than a death sentence? Surviving the shooting, knowing the shooters, and losing a friend at Columbine might be the sign of a healed person with forgiveness in their heart. I cannot help but think that it would come out during deliberations that he'd survived the shooting at Columbine.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
24. Wow, I got excused from a jury due to gun violence...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:16 AM
Jul 2015

...but I admittedly said that perhaps I would not have clear judgement. It's not like in TV shows, you basically recuse yourself, but I think this is an extraordinary example.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
32. Why? Because honestry & integrity are no longer desirable in a juror?
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 08:57 AM
Jul 2015

Considering that neither the judge nor the defence objected to the fact
when it was clearly stated during jury selection, how come it suddenly
"sure looks bad" afterwards?

Hell, if it had been that bad a thing then the prosecution would have objected
on the grounds that they wouldn't want to allow any wiggle room for the future.


former9thward

(32,044 posts)
34. How do you know the defense did not object?
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

They may have been out of challenges.

From the article:

He originally recoiled at the idea of being on the jury in this trial, telling the court, "I can't do it." After some reflection, however, he said he believed his experiences might make him more capable as a juror. He said he believed the gunmen at Columbine also had mental issues.

This person should not have been on the jury.

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
37. Bingo!
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jul 2015

If he gets the death penalty this will go on and on and on. Colorado has executed only one person in the last 38 years. Nathan Dunlap has been on death row for over 19 years after many appeals. Governor Hickenlooper will issue a stay to anyone due for execution.

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