Chattanooga Shooter Gave a Chilling Warning of Jihad

[brooklynite]

Source: The Daily Beast

Three days before he set out in a silver Mustang convertible and murdered four Marines, 24-year-old Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez all but announced his intentions in a pair of blog posts.

One, headlined “Understanding Islam: The Story of the Three Blind Men,” declared that the original disciples of the prophet were not “like priests living in monasteries.”

“Every one of them fought Jihad for the sake of Allah,” Abdulazeez wrote as myabdulazeez.

The second post was headlined “A Prison Called Dunya,” that being a term for the material world.

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/16/chattanooga-shooter-gave-a-chilling-warning-of-jihad.html

[cosmicone]

1. I shan't comment

because anything I post about this matter regardless of veracity hurts someone's internet feelings and they alert followed by knee-jerk hiding of the post by people who live in utopia.

I think there is also a scheme to hide any post critical of a particular religion.

[snooper2]

3. Let them alert, some people must think fundies are special

following religion is foolish in the 21st century- Then you have assholes of all stripes who LITERALLY follow their holy books- They should all be fucking banished-

[bluedigger]

5. Thanks for letting us know this is about you.

[cosmicone]

7. If I cannot freely express my views, it is about me as well. n/t

[leftynyc]

9. Go ahead and let them alert

It just makes them look afraid of reality. Islam gets a pass on DU like nothing else. I've been saying it for years.

[840high]

37. I back you up on that.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. Critiques of Islam are one thing; bigoted frothing is another.

[cosmicone]

19. Some people see all critiques as bigoted frothing.

That is the problem.

I can write posts critical of Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Witchcraft, Voodoo or Santeria but no one sees it as bigoted. Only when I write something, however true, of Islam, the posts get systematically hidden.

[The Green Manalishi]

20. Agreed/

All fundies are evil and nuts.
All monotheism is a blight on humanity.
I would call religion a mental disease but I know people with mental disabilities who do NOT make the world a worse place, I cannot say the same thing for anyone with an invisible sky friend.

[FrodosPet]

49. Rogues gallery of sky daddy followers

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._Montgomery_arrest_1958.jpg





Please consider an edit, delete, or qualifier. You are offending a LOT of good people.

[The Green Manalishi]

62. Go ahead, alert then.

Religion is evil, all of it. Even the best, most rational and good hearted person in the world is only one 'revelation' away from genocide and destruction if they are actually capable of believing that any sort of Revealed Truth should have any place in the discourse of policy.

Humankind will never advance unless and until all spirituality is regarded as a condition that needs treatment, and something that Good People are able to overcome, rather than be informed by, when doing things that benefit others.

[840high]

36. I've noticed that. Let them alert.

[RandiFan1290]

42. Say what's on your mind

What is stopping you?





 

[romanic]

39. I agree with everyone else

when they say "Let them alert". They just can't handle having their little utopian world rattled by the cold hard reality of the world outside of their bubble.

[Telcontar]

40. Your post offends me

I'm alerting on it.

[FrodosPet]

50. Your offense offends me

I'm alerting on it.

[Moostache]

2. Screw him and his warped religious fantasies.

I won't give the barbarian the satisfaction of reading his words posthumously. He deserves no further coverage or attention now that his mortal remains are cold and stiff and discarded like the wasted life he led.

No one should bother reading his words and granting him ANY measure of immortality beyond the sickening coverage orgy he got yesterday evening. Let him fade into obscurity and never again mention his words, his twisted thoughts or his "message".


Putting attention on the perpetrator in this case is giving glory to his cause and the men who died in his cowardly assault deserve better than to have us hand-wringing and pondering the motives of the killer.

[Nye Bevan]

4. Not completely surprising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks

[cosmicone]

6. Even wikipedia has tried to water it down by creating a class of "political ideology"

regardless of its congruence with religious following.

[Plucketeer]

8. I'm not making ANY excuses for this young man

Clearly, he did wrong. Clearly, his acts are unforgiveable. But reading his tale, the first thing I wondered was what if he HAD landed a job with his newly minted college credentials? If only there was a push on to create jobs and liberate young folks from the desperation of facing a life with their parents.
Then there's the sick humor about how his name alone, had the power to set national security systems into panic mode. We could speculate as to who's fault something like that is, but the "blame" would likely not find it's way home with this young man. He pulled the trigger here - there's little doubt of that. But there are SO many witting and unwitting forces that assisted his finger.

[cosmicone]

10. You ARE maing excuses

Muhammad Ali did quite well despite his race and his name ... and is revered. He even changed his name from Casius Clay to Muhammad Ali fearlessly.

[Plucketeer]

17. Technically, you are correct

However..... the instance you're trying to make an example of is from a different era. At that point in time, there hadn't been 19 zealots with Muslim-sounding names that had perpetrated a dastardly attack on American soil. Ali had only devastated consenting opponents in a supervised setting.

[B2G]

14. He spent 7 months in Jordan last year.

Dude wasn't hard up for cash.

[Plucketeer]

18. Well, I guess that seals it then!

How nice when things are so trim and tidy!

[840high]

38. Why make excuses for this POS?

[Plucketeer]

43. I loathe religions of all kinds

Sadly, many folks are deluded by the false hope and hollow comfort of the faith they follow. This fella turned to this false hope to find comfort and/or brotherhood. It was a stupid choice, but it was a choice driven by outside influences. And - no - I don't know exactly what those influences were in this case. Recognizing these things, I am not "making excuses" as has been argued. I simply suggest that we decipher the factors that steered this young man to his awful choice. Just blowing back with hatred and dismissal is not going to serve us going forward. And AS we go forward, we can damned sure bet there's recognized and Unrecognized catalysts fomenting future tragedies like what's happened in this instance. Considering and deciphering these possible catalysts - and combinations thereof - might give us a chance to detour other such ill-advised endeavors in the future.
No "excuses" here - only the acknowledgement that society failed here somehow. And this guy was a part of society right up until the moment a bullet stopped him. He was much like a growing node of cancer. Cancer can get a foothold before it becomes noticeable. Once we're able to detect it as it first starts, a lot more folks will survive it. But just damning it after the fact serves no one.

[840high]

45. Hate motivated him to kill 5 marines.

[Plucketeer]

46. Maybe so

But he wasn't BORN hating Marines.

[FrodosPet]

52. But I bet he had to fly "COACH"

The horror of it all!

[melman]

24. You are making excuses

as soon as you say BUT

[Chemisse]

27. Young people who have a bright future are less likely to throw it all away in a suicide mission.

Or on drugs, for that matter. They are just different ways of giving up on life.

Our young people need good jobs, and they need hope for a better life.

[Plucketeer]

31. Thanks for getting what I was getting at

So many here are as bad as Trump: "Nope! He killed those innocents and that's the end of the story." Maybe that IS the short version. But this fella didn't just exit his bubble and think: "Gee, I should go shoot some U.S. service members! My lot in life is to glow like a shooting star for a brief instant - and then go dark forever.
There has to be mitigating circumstances here. We may not like them, but they were an influence. We don't have to like them or accept them, but we do need to understand them. Flying into a tirade is not gonna change anything

[Chemisse]

32. We like to think people who would do this are different from us.

They are bad, or evil, or crazy.

But it's worth the effort to try and understand rather than demoize, because that's how we can try to prevent such tragedies in the future.

[Plucketeer]

60. Are you actually reading what we're saying here

or just jeering from the bleachers? One can get "extreme ideas" watching any number of thriller movies outta Hollywood.

[cosmicone]

44. That is utter horseshit

The world has some 6.5 billion poor people of which about 6 billion have no "future" as we aggrandize it.

The truth is that most of the terrorists are educated and come from well-to-do families. The common denominator is INDOCTRINATION mainly by Islam but also by other radical causes to a lesser extent.

This guy was an engineer, had a good paying job, was educated, was well-liked. He went to Jordan and from there probably Syria where he was in all likelihood indoctrinated by some fanatical mullahs/ISIS leaders.

Unless and until we do a correction of religious leaders' behavior, such indoctrination shall continue. Whenever I went to a mosque in India, Turkey, Egypt, France, UK or South Africa, the common theme is as follows:

1. Islam is under siege and being exterminated - there will be no Muslims left. (Fact: Islam's population has grown the fastest of any religion)
2. World is conspiring to keep Muslims poor and hungry. (Fact: The per capita income and net worth of Islamic countries as a whole is as high as Europe when PPP is applied)

Then there are assorted calls for Jihad ... as in What Would The Prophet Do? (Not unlike WWJD - thankfully, Jesus never preached violence)

So it goes. Make them feel victimized. Make them angry. Imply that it is ok to be violent and kill (like you know who.) Boom! You got a terrorist.

There are many noteworthy exceptions. In a mosque in UAE, the preacher was talking about the glory days of Islam with mentions of Rumi, Umar Khayyam and Kahlil Jibran. I could see the young minds totally tuned and empowered with wanting to change the world for the better. That would be the brighter future of Islam and this is why the preachers everywhere need a correction. If the preachers won't do it, a massive PR campaign by moderate Muslims will make the youth see a different path.

As it is, Muslims everywhere suffer because they are all seen as potential terrorists no matter how liberal a society they live in. Even at Istanbul airport, I have seen bearded men with skull-caps being given the third degree by security - and Turkey is 98% Muslim! The mullahs (like priests of all religions) don't really care about the people and are stuck in some book thousands of years old.

So, for heaven's sake, don't make excuses for terrorism. It has nothing to do with poverty of opportunity.

[840high]

47. Thank you. K/r

[Plucketeer]

48. I sure wasn't making excuses for terrorism

I WAS saying that this killer was just a pawn. Did he buy into the gaggle of virgins BS? Did he - with coaching - see himself a warrior, a martyr? We can't ask him. Maybe like Dylan Roof, he fancied himself instigating a massive uprising against the infidels. We can't ask him. Maybe he'd just had enough of the suspicions and teasings about being of middle eastern descent - having to nervously "laugh it off" every time someone thought they were making innocent fun about his being a terrorist. But really..... he should've gotten "the joke" - right? Maybe if he'd countered with a "funny" about priests and young boys - or maybe he was afraid of the blowback if his sorry Muslim ass displayed such audacity. The "American" way is to just suck it up and press on. Someone's God knows there's never been any outrageous killings by folks of a Christian persuasion. Something like TEN THOUSAND intentional gun deaths a year in the US, and these stand out? What about the innocent kids who're shot by revelers on New Years and the Fourth? Where's the outrage over their deaths? Where's the "terrorist" label for the stupids that spray lead for fun?
TEN THOUSAND intentional gun deaths A YEAR - and we can't twist our legislator's arms enough to buck the NRA. That we can't effect change in that arena - does that equate to terrorism by apathy??? We KNOW that where there have been solid gun regs instituted, there's been drastic changes regarding gun deaths. Whatsamattaer with the "Greatest Nation On Earth"? I would offer that we U.S. citizens are COMPLICIT in every murder that goes on here. And if we're complicit, are we not a PART of that Terror assault?

Yeah. The perp in this instance is a stand-alone cancer. Forget that stood out simply because of how he looked - forget that he turned to the wrong forces for help (He's one of those rare humans that make mistakes) - forget that there were plenty of warning signs that a metamorphosis was going on..... There's just no way our society has to bear any of the blame for what happened. Mater of fact, it makes one wonder why we have to bother with laws and enforcement thereof what with so many perfect people on this planet. I know I'M perfect - since I've never spent a day behind bars. Sure - there was that fishing violation, but that was FISH - no humans were harmed or offended!

[Ms. Yertle]

28. He was an engineer

Check out job opportunities for engineers. I can guarantee, lack of a job had nothing to do with what he did.

[Plucketeer]

51. You can have degrees out the wazoo

If you're Indian or Oriental (with no resume of prior work in the realm of your major), you likely won't have to bother with an application. But if you look like one of the 9/11 perps, it might not be that easy to get hired.

[Ms. Yertle]

54. Well, he did get a job

which he lost after only 10 days, either because he tested positive for drugs, or didn't pass the background test. I've heard both, don't know which is true.

[Skeeter Barnes]

29. He did have a job. He was a supervisor at Superior Essex in Franklin, TN.

He called in sick this week so he was employed and local radio said today that he was a supervisor there.

http://wkrn.com/2015/07/16/sources-chattanooga-gunman-worked-in-franklin-called-out-sick-this-week/

[Chemisse]

33. That makes this a lot harder to understand.

Why would someone throw his life away, embracing a violent and extreme ideology, when he had a good future ahead of him?

[Telcontar]

41. You're stuck in the mindset that poverty and dispair causes terrorism

Empirical evidence shows that this is not the case. Most are literate, educated individuals. In many cases, with STEM degrees.

[Plucketeer]

61. Huh?

Where did Chemisse say anything about poverty or despair??? Looks like this fella had "fit in" - at least from what we know of him so far.
So, he just decides one day..... "fuck it, I wanna go out in a blaze of glory and notoriety. I've not met an Infidel yet that I'd trade for 72 horny virgins. My mortal remains won't care one way or another."
I'm sorry - I just ain't buyin' that he did this cause of some dopey religious sleight of hand.

And another thing - calling this terrorism. Terrorism is FEAR - and FEAR is POWER. Power to clamp down on our populace more and more. Bush and Cheney loved that power! Maybe some of you LIKE being watched 24/7. I don't. This was murder - mass murder. Call it a slaughter if you like. But every time we promote the term "terror", Bin Laden lays back amongst his 72 beauties and grins a little grin. His work goes forward - on our backs.

[cosmicone]

55. See post #44

[christx30]

30. There are a lot of people that are

out of work, having a hard time and having to live with their parents. They don't shoot up innocent people. They figure out a way to make it in the world. Maybe they are lucky enough to find a job using their degrees. Maybe they don't. Maybe he has to work at a movie theater or a gas station for a while until something picks up. But he choose to gun down people that had nothing to do with his finantial problems. This kid deserves 100% of the blame for his actions.

[Sunlei]

11. he specificy target only the 2 stripmall 'recrutment storefronts? looks like just preaching to me.

Maybe he had a problem with those 2 places, maybe they turned him down or something.

[B2G]

13. He obviously had a problem with those 2 places nt

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

15. Yes, and he knew they would be unarmed.

He didn't have the guts to go near a military base.

Mohammed was a cowardly zealot, and not at all surprising.

[Psephos]

22. as the Fort Hood shootings showed, military bases also comprise gun-free zones n/t

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

23. The guards at the entries aren't armed?

I thought they were when I used to visit a friend.

[marshall]

25. Gun-free means gun-free

That's how the bobbies in London deal with it. Anything else is not gun-free.

[Psephos]

34. Only MPs may carry personal firearms on a military base.

So your memory is right, because MPs are in the guard booths.

This policy was first provided under DoD Directive 5210.56, in February 1992. The directive was reissued in 2011.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a272176.pdf

Note that this does not, for example, prohibit training uses of military engagement weapons in sanctioned exercises.

Reminds me of that line from Dr. Strangelove. "Gentlemen. You can't fight in here! This is the WAR ROOM."

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

35. The guards at the gate are armed

but the Fort Hood assailant worked there, so could sail past the guard with a windshield sticker and a salute. Like everyone else employed at the fort.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. I can't see anything there that is a 'warning'

The Daily Beast is reading into that what it wants to.

[Lobo27]

21. I don't give a damn if he was a Muslim.

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In the end he was a piece of shit coward. What we should be worried about is the wives, brothers, sisters, parents and children who no longer have their loved ones.

[Warpy]

26. Same here. I don't know why random gun violence against strangers

is any more scary than targeted gun violence against friends and family, as happened in northern Maine today.

I'd prefer we all stop pussyfooting around the real issue here, that any crazy bastard in this country can get his hands on a gun powerful enough to allow him to commit mass murder very easily.

No, the gun doesn't shoot itself. It helps, though, and even the most hardened gun fetishist has to admit that.

[cosmicone]

56. Simple. Terrorism has a political and broader motive

than someone being killed for a big screen TV or a wallet.

[Warpy]

57. Dead is dead whether it's for geopolitics, a flat screen TV or because

Uncle Gus was shitface drunk and playing with his gun. I have no clue why one would terrify people more than any other.

[cosmicone]

58. Because a political motive targets random people

and it is difficult to defend against terrorism than it is against ordinary crime.

[Sunlei]

53. now that shooter is dead and didn't write anything except a school yearbook single line, media

and 'homeland security' can build the 24 year old into a giant jihad army