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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:38 PM Jul 2015

Greek PM Tsipras sacks leftist party rebels in reshuffle

Source: Reuters

Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras sacked left-wing Energy Minister Panagiotis Lafazanis and two deputy ministers on Friday as he reshuffled his cabinet following a party revolt against a tough new bailout deal adopted this week.

The 40 year-old prime minister moved to clear out the rebels after 39 Syriza hardline lawmakers refused to back the government over the measures, which were demanded by European partners as a pre-condition for beginning talks over a new bailout.

The main economic ministries remain unchanged, with Euclid Tsakalotos remaining in place at the finance ministry and George Stathakis staying at the economy ministry.

But Labor Minister Panos Skourletis, one of Tsipras' closest allies, will replace Lafazanis in the key energy portfolio, where he will be responsible for sensitive privatization dossiers. Administrative Reforms Minister George Katrougalos will take over at the labor ministry.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/17/us-eurozone-greece-reshuffle-list-idUSKCN0PR1Z820150717?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter

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Greek PM Tsipras sacks leftist party rebels in reshuffle (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs Jul 2015 OP
OK, now I really wonder what his price was. Warpy Jul 2015 #1
Tis been a head spinning sequence of events and promises..... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #3
"The will of the people"? You mean that horrible referendum? Igel Jul 2015 #5
People knew what they were voting against.... dharmamarx Jul 2015 #10
Well, THAT'LL teach em... brooklynite Jul 2015 #2
How many of us believed that Obama would have our backs ... ananda Jul 2015 #15
Except that Obama did campaign on either of those things... brooklynite Jul 2015 #16
the Syriza guys that made impossible promises, cozied up to the fascist Putin, and then blamed uhnope Jul 2015 #4
Nobody fled. The radicals were forced out. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #6
actually Yanis was the first one sacked. The night of the referendum, he proposed a plan to leave magical thyme Jul 2015 #7
I think they will have no choice but to eventually take the IMF recommendation and either take a cstanleytech Jul 2015 #8
Schauble wants them out. He says temporarily, but in 2012 he said he wanted them out period. magical thyme Jul 2015 #11
Had to be done. The Greek people are solidly behind Tspiras and the terms of a deal that finally Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #9
"The Greek debt crisis is providing fuel for the country’s neo-Nazi movement Golden Dawn" pampango Jul 2015 #12
This guy makes Mitt Romney look resolute and principled. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #13
So the "leftist hero" now switches teams. DCBob Jul 2015 #14
Here comes the new boss same as the old boss..guess we were fooled again dembotoz Jul 2015 #17

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
1. OK, now I really wonder what his price was.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jul 2015

Sacking the leftists in a leftist coalition while overturning the will of the people might not turn out to be viable long term strategies.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. Tis been a head spinning sequence of events and promises.....
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jul 2015

which once again remind me.....ignore what they say, watch what they do.

Igel

(35,332 posts)
5. "The will of the people"? You mean that horrible referendum?
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015

Yes, they voted down that particular package.

Or they voted down austerity and rejected any bailout.

Or they just voted down austeriy, and wanted a bailout on their terms and none others.

Or they voted down the Eurozone. But not debt relief. Or maybe with debt relief.

Or they voted down the EU.

Or they voted just to express defiance and resentment. Or to back Tsipras he wanted a better deal and a stronger bargaining position.

You ask 30 people, you get all kinds of answers. People were upset that Tsipras didn't exit the Eurozone. Even though he said that wasn't what he wanted ... a day or two before the referendum.

But most polls show that about the same percentage of the population backed the set of laws passed Wednesday night as legislators voted for it. That's pretty much "the will of the people." At least the Greeks. Perhaps we have some in-group definition of "the people" that excludes those we don't agree with.

dharmamarx

(58 posts)
10. People knew what they were voting against....
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

Everyone knew they were voting against an austerian budget, and they all knew that the risk of voting against that austerian budget would likely earn them the wrath of the Troika with grexit possibly following. Most of them may not have wanted grexit, but they understood the risks of their decision. Many people still like Tsipras because he is not corrupt, and he is obviously well intentioned. But in a few months when they recognize that he signed them up for indefinite austerity, they're going to replace him with someone with more of a fighting spirit. They have no choice.

brooklynite

(94,660 posts)
2. Well, THAT'LL teach em...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jul 2015

...what right did they have to believe him when he said he was going to fight against more austerity?

ananda

(28,870 posts)
15. How many of us believed that Obama would have our backs ...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:03 AM
Jul 2015

... and then got sold down the river with Holder's refusal to
after banking criminals and Obama's insistence on the horrible
TPP?

brooklynite

(94,660 posts)
16. Except that Obama did campaign on either of those things...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:50 AM
Jul 2015

He was a mainstream liberal Democrat; nothing more.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
4. the Syriza guys that made impossible promises, cozied up to the fascist Putin, and then blamed
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jul 2015

everyone else for Greece's problems. Yanis fled before the shit really hit the fan, now his comrades are joining him.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. actually Yanis was the first one sacked. The night of the referendum, he proposed a plan to leave
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jul 2015

the Euro, and made public comments about wishing they'd instituted a parallel currency a week earlier. As a result, his leaving was 'resign or be fired.'

There was one sticking point on the Troika offers that he could not accept, and that was the lack of debt write-down because without it, the debt would remain unpayable and Greece's hole would just become deeper.

He says that the reason Tsipras rejected the plan and backed out of leaving the euro was because Yanis couldn't guarantee that it would be a success. Iow, Tsipras lacked the courage to make the necessary change.

Had the Troika included that IMF-recommendation in the proposals, this would all have gone down very differently.

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
8. I think they will have no choice but to eventually take the IMF recommendation and either take a
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jul 2015

a severe haircut on the amount owed or agree to a longer repayment plan, otherwise there just isnt any way Greece will be able to meet its obligations even with the combination of reforms and cuts that they will be doing.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
11. Schauble wants them out. He says temporarily, but in 2012 he said he wanted them out period.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jul 2015

and Merkel seems to be taking direction from him. If they continue to refuse, then that signals they intend to crush Greece until it leaves, with or without assistance.

Time will tell.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Had to be done. The Greek people are solidly behind Tspiras and the terms of a deal that finally
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jul 2015

taxes the wealthy and closes tax loopholes....there is some sugar for the bitter pill.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. "The Greek debt crisis is providing fuel for the country’s neo-Nazi movement Golden Dawn"
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:12 PM
Jul 2015
The latest EU bailout deal for Greece offers so little in the way of economic relief for the average Greek citizen that it risks emboldening a growing neo-Nazi movement that is casting its gangs of thugs as saviours of the poor.

As supporters of the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party set up “Greeks only” food banks to help feed the unemployed, the leftist coalition government of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras​ is facing an uphill battle to sell yet another version of austerity to an already traumatised nation.

Tsipras’ Syriza Party and their coalition allies came to power riding a wave of nationalistic revolt over EU-imposed austerity measures, buoyed by heady, if unrealistic, popular expectations for change. Syriza’s capitulation to EU negotiators this week leaves the deep-seated resentment and frustration that austerity, poverty and widespread unemployment have stoked casting around for alternative avenues of political expression. With a weak political centre that supports the EU bailout, the anti-austerity mantle and all the emotion it carries could swiftly default to the political far right. Golden Dawn, which opposed the EU package, is flexing its muscles in the wings.

The neo-Nazi presence in Parliament has given oxygen to overt racism. On the streets, such sentiment is playing out in violent attacks on immigrants and street battles between far left groups and Golden Dawn-aligned gangs. In my own research I uncovered countless incidents in which fascists and neo-Nazis were protected by the riot police during clashes, or even had the use of a riot police van to hide their rocks, bricks and baseball bats.

http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/the-greek-debt-crisis-is-providing-fuel-for-the-countrys-neo-nazi-movement-golden-dawn/

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. So the "leftist hero" now switches teams.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jul 2015

I am not surprised. He knows that his brash anti-austerity talk was just that.. all talk. He now has to face reality actually get things done.

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