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ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:28 AM May 2012

North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban: Obama Says He's 'Disappointed'

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's campaign says he's "disappointed" with North Carolina's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Obama campaign spokesman Cameron French said in a Tuesday statement that the ban on same-sex unions is "divisive and discriminatory." French says same-sex couples deserve the same rights and legal protections as straight couples.

Obama officials have been embroiled in a national discussion of same-sex marriage since Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that he is "absolutely comfortable" with gay marriage. Obama himself hasn't embraced legalizing gay marriage, saying his views on the subject are "evolving."

North Carolinians overwhelming voted Tuesday to amend their state constitution, strengthening a state law that already outlawed same-sex unions.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/gay-marriage-obama-north-carolina_n_1501766.html

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North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban: Obama Says He's 'Disappointed' (Original Post) ProfessionalLeftist May 2012 OP
If you are "disappointed", Mr. President, then get off the fence and demonstrate some leadership! markpkessinger May 2012 #1
And get off the fence you did! Thank you, Mr. President! n/t markpkessinger May 2012 #40
He is. After all, the convention, and all those dollars, go to NC. That will teach them! 24601 May 2012 #43
It's official: this issue should *NOT* be left up to the states!!! Initech May 2012 #2
Did Obama REALLY say this? Behind the Aegis May 2012 #3
Unbelievable. Your reaction to this news is to be angry at Obama?! SunSeeker May 2012 #4
Damn right I am angry. Behind the Aegis May 2012 #8
Then you want a perfectionist, not a president. Nt. armodem08 May 2012 #9
If asking for someone to stand up for civil rights is asking for a "perfectionist," then yes, I am Behind the Aegis May 2012 #10
It took 3 years for JFK to come out for civil rights. alp227 May 2012 #11
Don't use strawman, they burn easily. Behind the Aegis May 2012 #12
So JFK facing the Civil Rights Movement is not comparable w/Obama vs. gay rights? alp227 May 2012 #13
I was referring to this bullshit straw-dude. Behind the Aegis May 2012 #14
Why? I know NC Am. 1 is distressing for you, but maybe re-read my thoughts after calming down, alp227 May 2012 #15
And maybe you will stop with the patronizing crap and actual read what I wrote. Behind the Aegis May 2012 #16
OK, now I've reconsidered, if Obama can attack Republicans on everything from taxes to Medicare, alp227 May 2012 #17
Because there are alot of people who dont support it and challenging it now cstanleytech May 2012 #22
This line gets the 'Jean Dixon Predicts Award'. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #46
Uh huh: blkmusclmachine May 2012 #5
Maybe President Obama will announce his unequivocal support for gay marriage totodeinhere May 2012 #6
Wouldn't that be just perfect?! Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #7
My apologies Lil Missy May 2012 #18
We won in 2008 too bupkus May 2012 #19
You're equating people wanting their civil rights to being EFerrari May 2012 #20
It sure as hell is. Puglover May 2012 #24
The jury thinks it's fine and dandy. QC May 2012 #28
The juries always say it is okay Marrah_G May 2012 #30
Hopefully the member will either edit or self delete this post maddezmom May 2012 #25
+1 fishwax May 2012 #32
yup AngryAmish May 2012 #33
What a hateful, bigoted stereotyping thing to say. William769 May 2012 #26
Well, you win the prize for most offensive post of the day - that's for sure. enlightenment May 2012 #29
Interesting choice of words, Lil Missy... TeeYiYi May 2012 #31
She certainly offended me, as a gay person living in North Carolina. yardwork May 2012 #37
I agree with you... TeeYiYi May 2012 #39
Holy Wow. Just wow. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #34
Hey, Lil Missy Vanje May 2012 #35
What a filthy thing to say. /nt yardwork May 2012 #36
Pooed? Who the fuck wants to be pooed? JVS May 2012 #38
It's uncool to insult your allies; they'll never forgive you. Duncan Grant May 2012 #42
So does the state constitution trump the federal? cstanleytech May 2012 #21
Fine then Iliyah May 2012 #23
"disappointed"; such harsh language for a presidential candidate NorthCarolina May 2012 #27
Allowing states to vote on civil liberties is DISAPPOINTING...nt and-justice-for-all May 2012 #41
President Obama should issue an executive order for civil liberties BamaFanLee May 2012 #44
He can't issue executive orders where he has no authority. former9thward May 2012 #47
smh WhiteShoesATL May 2012 #45

Initech

(100,068 posts)
2. It's official: this issue should *NOT* be left up to the states!!!
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:41 AM
May 2012

Fuck you Bush - after making this such a fucking wedge issue in 2000 and 2004 this is what we're dealing with now. We need an equal rights amendment, not this shit!

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
3. Did Obama REALLY say this?
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:51 AM
May 2012

All I see in the damn article is "Obama campaign spokesman Cameron French said.." and "Barack Obama's campaign says...

Mr. President, if you are so "disappointed," then pull up to the podium and say, in the microphone, "I, President Obama, am disappointed by this vote!" Do it!

The gAyTM in this household says, "Sorry to "disappoint", but we're out of money!"

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
4. Unbelievable. Your reaction to this news is to be angry at Obama?!
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:32 AM
May 2012

He is obviously walking a fine line here. He has to deal with the reality that 30 states have voted to ban same-sex marriage, and continue to do so every time it is put up for a vote, including in my very blue state of CA. Obama is doing the best he can, and he has done more for the LGBT community than any other President. He refused to defend DOMA and got rid of DADT. That IS leadership.

Instead of expressing your outrage at the 61% of NCers who voted for this bigotry, you're pissed at Obama because he didn't walk up to a mic and say he was disappointed rather than saying it through his campaign. And until he does, you will not contribute to his campaign. Yes, that makes sense, because Romney would be SO much better for the LGBT community.

The only way all these bigotry-enshrining state laws are going to be overturned is if we get a liberal majority on the Supreme Court. And that is only going to happen if we keep electing Dems as POTUS.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
8. Damn right I am angry.
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:57 AM
May 2012

Oh, the "Romney would be better" dig. How fucking trite. I have every right to be angry and "disappointed" and don't need someone wagging his/her finger at me telling me my reaction is wrong.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
11. It took 3 years for JFK to come out for civil rights.
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:19 AM
May 2012

From Wikipedia:

Kennedy believed the grassroots movement for civil rights would anger many Southern whites and make it more difficult to pass civil rights laws in Congress, which was dominated by conservative Southern Democrats, and he distanced himself from it.


However, Pres. Kennedy did order federal intervention in cases where the Univ. of Mississippi and Univ. of Alabama blocked black students from entering campus, albeit "reluctantly" in the Mississippi case. Kennedy still didn't want to introduce a full civil rights bill, telling Martin Luther King Jr.: "If we get into a long fight over this in Congress, it will bottleneck everything else, and we will still get no bill." Finally, on June 11, 1963, JFK went on national TV to give an address launching civil rights initiatives, but Kennedy was assassinated nearly five months later and did not live to see his successor LBJ sign those initiatives into law the next year.

50 years later Obama is facing a similar situation. Sure, your community/state may be sympathetic to gay marriage, but keep in mind there are huge swaths of this country where homophobia is still rampant. Especially in the African-American community where many of them vote for Obama/Democrats yet attend churches that preach against homosexuality. In fact, homophobia is well known to be an issue among black Americans (see this article "Homophobia: it's a black thing" written by a black columnist of the Tampa Bay Times).

Realistically, given the cultural climate in America, you can't just expect Obama to come out for gay marriage instantly.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
14. I was referring to this bullshit straw-dude.
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:31 AM
May 2012

"Realistically, given the cultural climate in America, you can't just expect Obama to come out for gay marriage instantly."

alp227

(32,020 posts)
15. Why? I know NC Am. 1 is distressing for you, but maybe re-read my thoughts after calming down,
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:34 AM
May 2012

then you'll understand my JFK/Obama analogy.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
16. And maybe you will stop with the patronizing crap and actual read what I wrote.
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:40 AM
May 2012

You do know what a "strawman" is? If not, here...

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man&quot , and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

1.Person A has position X.
2.Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. The position Y is a distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including: 1.Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
2.Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
3.Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
4.Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5.Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

3.Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

alp227

(32,020 posts)
17. OK, now I've reconsidered, if Obama can attack Republicans on everything from taxes to Medicare,
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:44 AM
May 2012

why not on gay marriage? That sounds like a puh-retty good idea...so I'll concede my JFK analogy was flawed given how Obama has turned it up against the CONS in recent months.

cstanleytech

(26,290 posts)
22. Because there are alot of people who dont support it and challenging it now
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:59 AM
May 2012

during an election year is almost tantamount to political suicide because the gop will use it like they have in the past to rally their base to get them out to vote.
It sucks and the people in NC and in other states who voted in favor of such a bigoted pos suck but that doesnt nullify the the political reality of the situation.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
46. This line gets the 'Jean Dixon Predicts Award'.
Thu May 10, 2012, 07:38 PM
May 2012

"Realistically, given the cultural climate in America, you can't just expect Obama to come out for gay marriage instantly" you say less than 24 hours before he does exactly that.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
6. Maybe President Obama will announce his unequivocal support for gay marriage
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:46 AM
May 2012

at the Democratic National Convention being held in of all places North Carolina. But then again maybe not.

 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
19. We won in 2008 too
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:28 AM
May 2012

White House and both Houses of Congress. Where did that get us?

Winning doesn't count if the winners still allow the losers to rule.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
20. You're equating people wanting their civil rights to being
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:35 AM
May 2012

"powdered, puffed, pampered, pooed, pottied, wooed, and flattered"?

I'm sorry, but that's disgusting.

QC

(26,371 posts)
28. The jury thinks it's fine and dandy.
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:49 AM
May 2012

This place has certainly declined since placing "community standards" above common decency.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
25. Hopefully the member will either edit or self delete this post
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:36 AM
May 2012

as it's now a subject of discussion in META.

William769

(55,146 posts)
26. What a hateful, bigoted stereotyping thing to say.
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:38 AM
May 2012

I'll even bet your damn proud of yourself.

Enjoy your freedoms, one day I will also.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
29. Well, you win the prize for most offensive post of the day - that's for sure.
Wed May 9, 2012, 11:50 AM
May 2012

You have, in a single sentence, managed to not only insult and denigrate, but also to suggest that certain groups should just shut up and sit down because their equality is irrelevant to WINNING.

Putting it mildly - that is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
31. Interesting choice of words, Lil Missy...
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:56 PM
May 2012

Last edited Wed May 9, 2012, 04:02 PM - Edit history (2)

Edited to say, I've changed my mind. Lil Missy doesn't owe me an explanation. If she chooses to edit her post, that's on her, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think Lil Missy's words were meant to be homophobic. Hurtful, yes. Homophobic, no.

Although I don't agree with Lil Missy's opinion, I do believe that she's certainly entitled to have a viewpoint that differs from mine. However rudely she chooses to make her point is up to her.

If her post should have been hidden, it would have been because of rudeness and not homophobia.

TYY

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
37. She certainly offended me, as a gay person living in North Carolina.
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:11 PM
May 2012

People here are heartbroken. Comparing us to babies is beyond the pale. I consider the post to be unforgivable.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
39. I agree with you...
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:52 PM
May 2012

I think her post is hurtful and dismissive to all LGBTQs but especially to those in North Carolina. Especially today.

My change of mind has to do with whether or not her words were intended to be homophobic. I don't believe that they were. Hurtful, yes. Homophobic, no.

TYY

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
34. Holy Wow. Just wow.
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:54 PM
May 2012

I hope you really didn't mean to say that and reconsider your post, perhaps deleting it.

And then...consider New Jersey.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
23. Fine then
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:10 AM
May 2012

don't vote or vote for someone else so when the insane party of no comes into major offices such as the presidency and they enact a federal law overturning all gay marriages and civil unions please be the last person who will cry me a river - OK

Civil rights for blacks was not voted on by the American people because we all know it would have lost big time. The federal government voted for civil rights for blacks. Same here, many people are afraid of gays because of what many religions are teaching.

 

BamaFanLee

(64 posts)
44. President Obama should issue an executive order for civil liberties
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:53 PM
May 2012

Look at the precincts in NC and how they voted. In the more educated precincts around major universities, they voted in favor of gay marriage in a landslide. In the more rural, backwoods, undereducated parts of NC, they voted against the civil right. We really need the votes of undereducated bigots to count for less. Otherwise, just let President Obama sign an executive order allowing gay marriage across the country and be done with it.

I for one am boycotting NC now.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
47. He can't issue executive orders where he has no authority.
Thu May 10, 2012, 08:56 PM
May 2012

His power is limited by the Constitution just as Congress is limited.

WhiteShoesATL

(30 posts)
45. smh
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:56 PM
May 2012

who cares what gay people want to do or a pro gay church?! This should have been decided by County and NOT the State. Hell, no one votes anyway. You don't have time to its a pain in the ass living down South. I gotta drive 25 minutes to Wal Mart just for groceries. No ones in Unions so good luck getting time off of work if you're blue collar

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