Judge orders Rowan clerk to appear in court Thursday after she again denies marriage licenses
Source: Lexington Herald-Leader
MOREHEAD A federal judge has ordered Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis to appear in his courtroom Thursday and explain why she should not be held in contempt of court, according to Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins. All of her deputy clerks are supposed to join her, Watkins said.
Early Tuesday, Davis told two couples who asked for marriage licenses that she would not issue them, despite a federal court injunction ordering her to do so.
"Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis' compliance through incarceration," wrote William Sharp, legal director for the ACLU of Kentucky, which represents the couples.
"Since defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, plaintiffs urge the court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis' immediate compliance without further delay," Sharp wrote.
Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/01/4014743_rowan-county-clerk-continues-to.html?rh=1
Plaintiffs are asking that she be fined, not jailed. But I'm guessing it's the judge's discretion.
Tune in at 11 ET Thursday for the fireworks.
beac
(9,992 posts)She's clearly fully aware that she's in defiance of a court order. Why not fine her AND toss her behind bars?
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)She wants her martyrdom and I'm sure that's the reason the plaintiff's lawyers have asked for no jail time.
beac
(9,992 posts)will she still be so pleased when she is still sitting there months later and everyone has forgotten about her?
Not that I think she's brave enough to tough it out for more than a couple of weeks. She'll resign and then boo-hoo about losing her job to ungodliness.
Unless the fines are enough to bankrupt her and the plaintiffs are able to get ahold of whatever gofundme $$ she gets, I don't think fines alone will be enough of a deterrent to other fundie clerks just chomping at the bit to "martyr" themselves similarly.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)she's not young, blonde or FoxNewsworthy - the GOP's protest standards must be met!!
mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)when she is processed into jail, with the usual cavity searches and other indignities and given an orange jump suit. Too bad, so sad.
dieter
(94 posts)She and the Liberty Council would LOVE to have photos of her behind bars to use in their campaign against equality. For the Liberty Council it would make great fundraising propaganda.
beac
(9,992 posts)Some gofundme page or rightwing nutjob group will pay her fines and she'll sit home listening to Rush Limbaugh without a care in the world.
Even if it gives the Liberty Council a few photos for a mailer, it might make other fundie clerks think twice about following her example if they picture themselves rotting behind bars.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Putting her in jail doesn't put food on anyone's table.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)OneCrazyDiamond
(2,032 posts)beac
(9,992 posts)Hate groups seem to have unlimited funds to pay for hate speech.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)"GoFundMe has a policy against lawbreakers profiting from their crimes...
Comment by sonoitabear following story at: http://americablog.com/2015/08/kim-davis-court-ordered-to-issue-marriage-licenses-refuses-continues-digging-legal-hole.html
I hope they are correct about this!
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)For "Kim Davis" and GoFundMe.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)she's about to make for her efforts.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)She wants her day on the cross
rdking647
(5,113 posts)she can fine her or lock her up but not both. its a quirk in the law
kay1864
(5,064 posts)The Federal judge can fine her, and a State special prosecutor (and jury) can jail her on the official misconduct charge.
Way to go Kim, a twofer!
(hey, I can dream...)
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)If not, there's little difference between being fined and not get paid.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Although it would be nice to set her fine at everything she collects, plus a chunk out of her own pocket...not possible, I'm sure.
beac
(9,992 posts)what is to prevent the next fundie nut job from refusing to perform duties that they think violate their religion?
I am okay with giving her a temporary martyrdom. She will soon be forgotten-- if she is even brave enough to tough out jail for more than a few days. And, if she isn't and resigns instead, it will prove she wasn't such a warrior for Gawd after all.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)just not jail time. Something that will dip into her pocket, and also not allow her to collect a million dollars for being a bigot. I'm guessing we will have to wait for the civil suits for the latter, though.
beac
(9,992 posts)I still believe she is a coward and putting her in jail will expose that.
Civil suits months down the road will get zero media coverage and will not serve as a deterrent for others so inclined.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The proceeding here IS the civil suit against her.
Where we are at is that the court has issued a preliminary order requiring her to issue licenses. She has, at this point, exhausted appeals of the denial of the stay of that order. She has not, as yet, appealed the order substantively, but has been appealing the denial of the stay as a procedural matter.
But - all that aside - this proceeding IS the civil suit against her (one of several, actually, but this one has gotten the farthest so far).
beac
(9,992 posts)I am concerned that any punitive damages awarded after what will no doubt be months and months of wrangling by those "hungry" lawyers you mentioned above will not get anywhere near the coverage throwing her bigoted butt in jail for contempt RIGHT NOW will.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This is just one early order in the case. The case will go on, but her compliance with the order, and proceedings relating to it, won't be held up by that.
beac
(9,992 posts)sends a strong message. IMO, fines don't do that b/c they will be paid by someone else and she'll be sitting pretty and still at work until/unless KY decides to prosecute her for the Class A misdemeanor of first-degree official misconduct for failing to do her job. And even if she is convicted of that, it doesn't look like she'd lose her job.
The federal judge can't remove her (and the spineless KY legislature is unlikely to impeach her), so what is to prevent her from going right back to her office and continuing to refuse licenses unless she is physically unable to do so?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Ensuring that the laws are faithfully executed. Eisenhower didn't think twice before sending them to Little Rock to compel compliance with federal law around racial discrimination.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)If she didn't see herself that way she'd obey the Constitution that she swore to uphold.
She knows she's not going to win. She's just milking the attention for all it's worth. She probably sees herself as a Christian Rosa Parks.
I would image if she set up a GoFundMe page she'd get a couple hundred thousand dollars for her to pay any fine that may be imposed.
The only recourse is to remove her from her position, by whatever legal means possible. I favor jail. She'll still be a martyr -- out giving speeches at CPAC and Christian Coalition type events -- but at least her proclivities won't affect the rights of the citizens she's supposed to serve.
I bet she'd get re-elected, though...
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Good!
forest444
(5,902 posts)It's no secret that McConnell is mulling retirement, what with his advanced age and other problems (http://m.thenation.com/article/186689-mitch-mcconnells-freighted-ties-shadowy-shipping-company).
Me thinks Ms. Davis has some ideas as to who Senator McCocaine's successor should be (and dagnabbit, she might just get it).
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)It won't be Matt Staver getting fined or losing his job.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Even so, picture this: Davis is fired and prosecuted for contempt of court, and ends up doing time.
It would be a few months of easy time, and when she gets out - just in time to challenge Runt Paul for his Senate seat - the Kentucky GOP will have found their new folk hero. Church ladies everywhere rejoice!
(I lived in the Deep South for a number of years, and can tell that church ladies - the white ones, of course - are very much the power behind the throne in Southern right-wing politics).
hack89
(39,171 posts)http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2015/07/02/aclu-lawsuit-rowan-clerks-gay-marriage/29639341/
forest444
(5,902 posts)A place littered with "repentant" Democrats who switch parties to get right with GOP.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)yardwork
(61,608 posts)She's a useful tool for them now. Once they're done with her they'll toss her aside. She will have lost her $80,000 job and her son won't inherit it either. After she resigns the people in the county will quietly elect a replacement.
After a brief flurry of fundraising - most of which will go to the lawyers who are using her - she'll end up with nothing. Maybe an occasional gig on right wing radio as one of the Christian martyrs for the cause.
forest444
(5,902 posts)praying the gay away.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)This is the same thing:
ACLU Files Contempt Of Court Motion Against Kim Davis, Say They Dont Want Her Incarcerated UPDATE: Hearing On Motion Set For Thursday
The ACLU has filed a federal motion asking that Kim Davis be cited for contempt of court. The motion declares that the ACLU is not seeking to have Davis arrested. From the motion:
See the full filing.
UPDATE: That was fast.
Excerpt from the filing:
Respectfully submitted,
s/ William E. Sharp
William E. Sharp
Legal Director
ACLU OF KENTUCKY
315 Guthrie Street, Suite 300
Louisville, KY 40202
(502) 581-9746
sharp@aclu-ky.org
- and -
Dan Canon
Laura E. Landenwich
Joe Dunman
Clay Daniel Walton & Adams PLC
462 South Fourth Street
Suite 101
Louisville, KY 40202
(502) 561-2005
dan@justiceky.com
laura@justiceky.com
joe@justiceky.com
ACLU OF KENTUCKY Cooperating Attorneys
Counsel for Plaintiffs
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)So who's going to be running the office during that time?
VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)People have a responsibility not to follow illegal instructions from their supervisors.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and ask them if they intend to follow the law.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)yardwork
(61,608 posts)Her shenanigans are beginning to seriously inconvenience the people of Rowan County, most of whom are probably not happy to have their home depicted this way in international news.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)n/t
Monk06
(7,675 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,446 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Convenient, huh?
turbinetree
(24,700 posts)she and her band of merry workers that supported her in this escapade should be fined and held in Contempt and then lets see where the bouncing ball falls now on what was ordered by her through the court.
"Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis' compliance through incarceration," wrote William Sharp, legal director for the ACLU of Kentucky, which represents the couples.
"Since defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, plaintiffs urge the court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis' immediate compliance without further delay," Sharp wrote.
She was denying civil liberties for other human beings
C Moon
(12,213 posts)turbinetree
(24,700 posts)pockets and you cannot take contributions too off set your loss, and if you do, they have to been donated to programs that end bigotry and hate
Such as for starters:
http://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/resources/civil-rights-organizations
kairos12
(12,861 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Sean Hannity's show..
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)She doesn't have the Fox News Look(tm).
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)If she stays, then teacher can refuse to teach certain people, bus drivers to drive certain people, and so on.
Sam_Fields
(305 posts)I was a government admin clerk once and just because I issued someone a permit didn't mean I agreed that they should have a driver's license. I was just doing my job.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)"Davis served as her mother's deputy for 27 years before she was elected as a Democrat to succeed her in November. Davis' own son is one of the six deputy clerks also summoned to appear before Bunning Thursday at the federal court in Ashland."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-refuses-same-sex-marriage-gods-authority/
It's time someone else runs the county clerk office in Rowan County!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Must be nice!
niyad
(113,302 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)niyad
(113,302 posts)jobs need to refund the money they are screwing out of the taxpayers.
Hekate
(90,683 posts)...that would explain why she's not being processed through Human Resources right now, on her way to being fired for insubordination and failure to perform her lawful duties.
MOREHEAD A federal judge has ordered Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis to appear in his courtroom Thursday and explain why she should not be held in contempt of court, according to Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins. All of her deputy clerks are supposed to join her, Watkins said.
This is the first time I've seen all the capital letters in place. It's typically an elected position, and one with a lot of responsibility (like elections). Now I understand why she's not pounding the pavement looking for a new job. She's going to be a lot harder to get rid of than that, because, like The Mayor, she doesn't really have a boss to fire her immediately.
The plaintiffs are, imo, right to want fines imposed, and not jail. Jail would make this bigot all the more a martyr to the lost cause.
kay1864
(5,064 posts)or voted out, but that would take too long.
I'm guessing if the fines from the Federal judge are onerous enough (and I'm guessing they accrue to her personally, not to the county), she would just resign, since he would likely include additional fines for each license she refuses to issue.
And if she's found guilty of official misconduct, she can be jailed for up to 365 days. Not sure if she still draws a salary if she's in jail (I'm guessing not, or more likely, that there's a provision that you lose your job--even an elected one--if you're jailed on such a charge)
The official misconduct process (a separate process, since it's state-level, whereas the contempt of court is Federal level) will take longer though, since the state Attorney General has to appoint a special prosecutor, then a jury, etc.
Either way...it's schadenfreudelicious!
rdking647
(5,113 posts)its been 2 months since the supreme court decision.
i figure 10x that is a reasonable about,so 130k in fines plus 5k a day until she complies. seize her property staring thursday until she pays.
and if idiots start a go fund me account to support her,increase the fine by the amount in the account
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)ACLU should have stood behind jail time and convinced the plaintiffs of it also. WEAK SAUCE!
I'm hoping the judge has the brass to hammer her with as much hard time as possible.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)They've already begun the martyr drama, and they will go on to right wing rampage radio no matter what the judge decides, so the judge may as well kick her ass hard and send a message. The opportunity to strike hard now will send a clear message later so these clowns can't shrug it off and try again,or elsewhere. They will laugh at it off otherwise. Time to get real, right now !
yardwork
(61,608 posts)Actually, I'm starting to wonder if she's not the one playing the Liberty Counsel. She may not be the figurehead they would have chosen. Too many marriages and divorces, she's a Democrat, not very appealing..... I predict that they will start to distance themselves from her soon, especially if she costs them money.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd rather justice not be predicated on the popularity of a decision, as then it becomes less justice, and merely a popularity contest.
mac56
(17,567 posts)Feeds her "persecuted for standing up for her faith" meme.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)What would the court do with this collection of tornado magnets?
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I'm sure it could produce enough heat for a S'more party.
Fred Drum
(293 posts)in the parlance of our times
frylock
(34,825 posts)Mendocino
(7,490 posts)stand in the schoolhouse door moment. We all know how Wallace was judged for that petulant act.
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yardwork
(61,608 posts)The family sounds corrupt and powerful.
Vinca
(50,271 posts)Ahhhh . . . the sanctity of marriage.
Warpy
(111,256 posts)so she can go looking for #4.
Mustellus
(328 posts).. if she brings God with her to vouch for her stand.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)according to the law. If she can't do that, the county should find someone who can.
riversedge
(70,216 posts)he she will give her a good smack down and send a message about our Constitution.
Jean Genie
(273 posts)So Kim, why don't you do your duty, STFU, and let god speak for himself. Or is he too shy?
longship
(40,416 posts)MsMAC
(91 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Have the Judge tell her, do the job or you're fired.
Martak Sarno
(77 posts)She's been a public employee for how long...with pension and retirement benefits. 80k a year should have some pretty hefty bread waiting for her.
Plead guilty, apologize and retire off the tax payer's money.
It's the GOP way.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and bring a toothbrush.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Her son works in the office, and her predecessor was her mother.
http://www.themoreheadnews.com/news/local_news/fiscal-court-approves-smaller-salary-budget-for-clerk-s-office/article_526ff440-9577-5742-9e34-17c317a9cd3f.html
More detailed info is not available now, as the county website seems to be down.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-refuses-same-sex-marriage-gods-authority/
Monk06
(7,675 posts)BUSINESS. They think it's a family owned enterprise.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)Clearly, judging by the grandstanding declarations that homosexuality is sinful, she's salivating over the thought of jail and finally getting some girl action. If this was a guy she would have shown up on Grindr by now.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Let her go work for the church of her choice, if she doesn't want to serve the People who pay her salary.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)n/t
Marthe48
(16,957 posts)I was looking for an update and saw this story. There is a statement by the clerk.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)She swore an oath to perform her duties as County Clerk and obey the laws of the county, state and country - NOT the archaic crap someone derives from parts of the Bible to support their bigotry.
Where is that video from Betty Bowers? Ah - here she is, explaining "traditional marriage":
Marthe48
(16,957 posts)And while this goes on, so many other things are just slipping by, under the radar
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)She has 3 choices. Issue the marriage licences, resign or suffer whatever the consequences.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Section 228 oath
"Members of the General Assembly and all officers, before they enter upon the execution of the duties of their respective offices, and all members of the bar, before they enter upon the practice of their profession, shall take the following oath or affirmation: I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of .... according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God."
30A.020 Oath of clerk and deputies.
Every clerk and deputy, in addition to the oath prescribed by Section 228 of the Constitution, shall, before entering on the duties of his office, take the following oath in presence of the Circuit Court: "I, ....., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of .............. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God." The fact that the oath has been administered shall be entered on the record of the Circuit Court.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)She will get sacked eventually and then cash in on the "persecuted for my faith" fiction.
Teabag republican dominunists will throw barrels of money at the 4 times married holy saint woman.
Shes a guaranteed millionaire soon.
The right is in effect, one big mass of rubes begging to be suckered out of their money and theres no shortage of prosperity preachers and grifters like Palin ready to shear the sheep.
This massive hypocrite will be the next to cash in.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)In checking out the duties of the county clerk (http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf) I found this provision:
County judges/executive may perform marriage ceremonies. They may also authorize justices of
the peace and fiscal court commissioners in their respective counties to perform marriages
(KRS 402.050). In the absence of the county clerk, the county judge/executive may issue a
marriage license (KRS 402.240).
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf
Oh yes, her oath of office reads as follows:
Page 40
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib59.pdf
So she swore to her god that she would support the Constitution of the United States - that means she swore to abide by the decisions of the US Supreme Court. She is now violating her oath to her god!