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kay1864

(5,064 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:39 AM Sep 2015

Judge orders Rowan clerk to appear in court Thursday after she again denies marriage licenses

Source: Lexington Herald-Leader

MOREHEAD — A federal judge has ordered Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis to appear in his courtroom Thursday and explain why she should not be held in contempt of court, according to Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins. All of her deputy clerks are supposed to join her, Watkins said.

Early Tuesday, Davis told two couples who asked for marriage licenses that she would not issue them, despite a federal court injunction ordering her to do so.

"Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis' compliance through incarceration," wrote William Sharp, legal director for the ACLU of Kentucky, which represents the couples.

"Since defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, plaintiffs urge the court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis' immediate compliance without further delay," Sharp wrote.

Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/01/4014743_rowan-county-clerk-continues-to.html?rh=1



Plaintiffs are asking that she be fined, not jailed. But I'm guessing it's the judge's discretion.

Tune in at 11 ET Thursday for the fireworks.
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Judge orders Rowan clerk to appear in court Thursday after she again denies marriage licenses (Original Post) kay1864 Sep 2015 OP
Why not both? beac Sep 2015 #1
She wants jail Jake Stern Sep 2015 #4
She might "want" it if she is thinking it will only be a few days or weeks, but beac Sep 2015 #8
yup, she'll be forgotten very quickly - the base has other Rush Limbaugh projects to work on tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #14
She may well change her mind about "martyrdom" mysuzuki2 Sep 2015 #72
BINGO! You are so correct. Don't give Liberty Council Propaganda Material. dieter Sep 2015 #11
I worry that without jail time, she will face no real consequences. beac Sep 2015 #17
I worry that lawyers gotta eat jberryhill Sep 2015 #30
Hahaha. Thanks. Good one. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #47
She may even profit from speaking engagments. n/t OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2015 #77
Sadly, you are probably right about that. beac Sep 2015 #84
A comment on another site says GoFundMe won't let her collect csziggy Sep 2015 #86
I thought John Aravosis had given up writing Americablog. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #97
I don't follow it - I found it while searching csziggy Sep 2015 #104
Not to mention the millions off the gofundme account Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #61
So, give her martyrdom. Let the mouthbreathers erect statues of her. frylock Sep 2015 #67
You watch she will be fined and then refuse to pay the fine because that's what almighty gawd wants Monk06 Sep 2015 #91
the judge cant rdking647 Sep 2015 #24
True, but in theory... kay1864 Sep 2015 #58
Does she continue to draw her salary while in jail? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #85
Let's not make her a martyr to The Cause. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #51
But, if she doesn't face SERIOUS consequnces (jail time, crippling fines) beac Sep 2015 #52
I think there should be serious consequences, truebluegreen Sep 2015 #53
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. beac Sep 2015 #55
I don't know why the both of you are talking about "civil suits" as some hypothetical future event jberryhill Sep 2015 #60
I guess I wasn't very clear in what I was saying... beac Sep 2015 #62
Oh, the case will go on jberryhill Sep 2015 #65
I know. That's why I am hoping the penalty for contempt beac Sep 2015 #71
The 82nd Airborne occupying City Hall might go a long way to KingCharlemagne Sep 2015 #100
Too late, she's already a martyr. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2015 #59
Let's? Do we have a say in this? saturnsring Sep 2015 #79
Wow, this is faster than I expected. hamsterjill Sep 2015 #2
This much is obvious: she's gunning for the GOP nomination to something. forest444 Sep 2015 #3
The more I think about it, the more I think she is completely clueless. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #9
No honor among thieves. forest444 Sep 2015 #15
She is a Democrat hack89 Sep 2015 #19
Remember: this is the Bible Belt. forest444 Sep 2015 #25
Wow Nixon missed one Monk06 Sep 2015 #92
She's just a tool of the anti-gay people. yardwork Sep 2015 #34
I can just see her a few years from now, somewhere in the Bible Belt, forest444 Sep 2015 #44
ACLU Files Contempt Of Court Motion Against Kim Davis, Say They Don’t Want Her Incarcerated mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #5
"All of her deputy clerks are supposed to join her, Watkins said." mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #6
All the deputies can probably be held in contempt as well. VMA131Marine Sep 2015 #10
The judge probably wants them to be there when she throws the clerk's ass in jail tabasco Sep 2015 #12
The judge is preempting any attempt at revolving non compliance on the part of the other clerks. Monk06 Sep 2015 #93
Not to brag, but I nailed this one. n/t tabasco Sep 2015 #106
She closed the office this past Saturday anyway. yardwork Sep 2015 #36
One deputy clerk is also her son. hamsterjill Sep 2015 #78
Ah that fine southern tradition of stacking county elected positions with your relatives. Monk06 Sep 2015 #94
I think that practice knows no geographical limits. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #98
Exactly. hamsterjill Sep 2015 #101
And now the money game begins ....................... turbinetree Sep 2015 #7
They'll probably get hoards of money from the freaks that are backing her up on this. C Moon Sep 2015 #29
I hope the judge says that this comes out of there ...................... turbinetree Sep 2015 #37
Next stop, Faux news program. kairos12 Sep 2015 #13
You know she is ripe for yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #21
Not likely jmowreader Sep 2015 #57
She's got to go... Helen Borg Sep 2015 #16
I don't think this clerk is mentally fit to hold office. n/t Sam_Fields Sep 2015 #18
She probably thinks her family owns that office csziggy Sep 2015 #87
It seems awfully difficult to get fired from that job. arcane1 Sep 2015 #20
unfortunately, she is an elected official. niyad Sep 2015 #23
I probably should've known that arcane1 Sep 2015 #27
excellent. I have been saying for some time that these people who refuse to do their whole niyad Sep 2015 #22
Wait. I thought she was A county clerk; now you mean she's THE County Clerk? If so.... Hekate Sep 2015 #26
Yep, she would need to be impeached by the state legislature kay1864 Sep 2015 #35
2 months salary at 80k a year is 13 k rdking647 Sep 2015 #28
Im fine with her going to jail. V0ltairesGh0st Sep 2015 #33
Nah. We don't need her to be martyred. yardwork Sep 2015 #42
That would happen ...jail or fines... V0ltairesGh0st Sep 2015 #45
Fines will have a serious impact, and deny her the theatre she craves. yardwork Sep 2015 #56
I'd rather justice not be predicated on the popularity of a decision LanternWaste Sep 2015 #74
She wants jail time. mac56 Sep 2015 #46
Seize her property? Fritz Walter Sep 2015 #41
Bring lots and lots of chocolate, marshmellows, and graham crackers! NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #82
This is actually a very cool structure Fred Drum Sep 2015 #83
Just pressure GoFundMe to cancel the account frylock Sep 2015 #68
This is her Mendocino Sep 2015 #31
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #32
I heard that her daughter is rumored to have stolen someone's dog. yardwork Sep 2015 #39
I just read somewhere that this woman has been divorced 3 times. Vinca Sep 2015 #38
Enough grandstanding can fund a pretty expensive makeover Warpy Sep 2015 #76
She can get off the hook easily..... Mustellus Sep 2015 #40
Her job is to follow the law and issue licenses louis-t Sep 2015 #43
UMM. IT IS A Federal judge. I have hopes riversedge Sep 2015 #48
Who's the judge? Jean Genie Sep 2015 #49
She issued a license for a transgendered couple earlier this year. longship Sep 2015 #50
I'd vote for jail time and a BIG fine! MsMAC Sep 2015 #54
If she will not do her job, fire her and hire someone who will do the job. Sunlei Sep 2015 #63
Pension and benefits? Martak Sarno Sep 2015 #64
Better get your affairs in order.. frylock Sep 2015 #66
I wonder how long of a contempt sentence her high sense of values will allow her to serve. marble falls Sep 2015 #69
The RWNJ's will raise her fine money. Unless they jail her or fire her, she'll keep it up. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #70
It looks like it's a family job SwankyXomb Sep 2015 #73
She worked for her mother in that office for 27 years csziggy Sep 2015 #88
Now we know why she told the couple to stand away from the counter and stop interfering with HER Monk06 Sep 2015 #96
At this point I think we're all missing the big picture. complain jane Sep 2015 #75
Why is this woman still employed? She's not doing her job Demeter Sep 2015 #80
She holds an ELECTED Position, thus only the voters can "Fire" her happyslug Sep 2015 #90
WSAZ (Posted: Tue 4:54 PM, Sep 01, 2015) Marthe48 Sep 2015 #81
Her statement is bizarre csziggy Sep 2015 #89
The whole thing is bizarre Marthe48 Sep 2015 #95
Seems to me... cannabis_flower Sep 2015 #99
Love the Kentucky Oath for all Officers of Kentucky - Section 228 of their constitution EndElectoral Sep 2015 #102
Shes going for the big prize workinclasszero Sep 2015 #103
Why hasn't a county judge stepped up to issue licenses? csziggy Sep 2015 #105

beac

(9,992 posts)
1. Why not both?
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

She's clearly fully aware that she's in defiance of a court order. Why not fine her AND toss her behind bars?

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
4. She wants jail
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:44 AM
Sep 2015

She wants her martyrdom and I'm sure that's the reason the plaintiff's lawyers have asked for no jail time.

beac

(9,992 posts)
8. She might "want" it if she is thinking it will only be a few days or weeks, but
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:50 AM
Sep 2015

will she still be so pleased when she is still sitting there months later and everyone has forgotten about her?

Not that I think she's brave enough to tough it out for more than a couple of weeks. She'll resign and then boo-hoo about losing her job to ungodliness.

Unless the fines are enough to bankrupt her and the plaintiffs are able to get ahold of whatever gofundme $$ she gets, I don't think fines alone will be enough of a deterrent to other fundie clerks just chomping at the bit to "martyr" themselves similarly.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
14. yup, she'll be forgotten very quickly - the base has other Rush Limbaugh projects to work on
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:03 PM
Sep 2015

she's not young, blonde or FoxNewsworthy - the GOP's protest standards must be met!!


mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
72. She may well change her mind about "martyrdom"
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 03:17 PM
Sep 2015

when she is processed into jail, with the usual cavity searches and other indignities and given an orange jump suit. Too bad, so sad.

 

dieter

(94 posts)
11. BINGO! You are so correct. Don't give Liberty Council Propaganda Material.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

She and the Liberty Council would LOVE to have photos of her behind bars to use in their campaign against equality. For the Liberty Council it would make great fundraising propaganda.

beac

(9,992 posts)
17. I worry that without jail time, she will face no real consequences.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:17 PM
Sep 2015

Some gofundme page or rightwing nutjob group will pay her fines and she'll sit home listening to Rush Limbaugh without a care in the world.

Even if it gives the Liberty Council a few photos for a mailer, it might make other fundie clerks think twice about following her example if they picture themselves rotting behind bars.

beac

(9,992 posts)
84. Sadly, you are probably right about that.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 07:34 PM
Sep 2015

Hate groups seem to have unlimited funds to pay for hate speech.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
86. A comment on another site says GoFundMe won't let her collect
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:03 PM
Sep 2015

"GoFundMe has a policy against lawbreakers profiting from their crimes...

Comment by sonoitabear following story at: http://americablog.com/2015/08/kim-davis-court-ordered-to-issue-marriage-licenses-refuses-continues-digging-legal-hole.html

I hope they are correct about this!

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
91. You watch she will be fined and then refuse to pay the fine because that's what almighty gawd wants
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:23 PM
Sep 2015

She wants her day on the cross

kay1864

(5,064 posts)
58. True, but in theory...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:46 PM
Sep 2015

The Federal judge can fine her, and a State special prosecutor (and jury) can jail her on the official misconduct charge.

Way to go Kim, a twofer!

(hey, I can dream...)

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
85. Does she continue to draw her salary while in jail?
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 07:54 PM
Sep 2015

If not, there's little difference between being fined and not get paid.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
51. Let's not make her a martyr to The Cause.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sep 2015

Although it would be nice to set her fine at everything she collects, plus a chunk out of her own pocket...not possible, I'm sure.

beac

(9,992 posts)
52. But, if she doesn't face SERIOUS consequnces (jail time, crippling fines)
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:23 PM
Sep 2015

what is to prevent the next fundie nut job from refusing to perform duties that they think violate their religion?

I am okay with giving her a temporary martyrdom. She will soon be forgotten-- if she is even brave enough to tough out jail for more than a few days. And, if she isn't and resigns instead, it will prove she wasn't such a warrior for Gawd after all.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
53. I think there should be serious consequences,
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:26 PM
Sep 2015

just not jail time. Something that will dip into her pocket, and also not allow her to collect a million dollars for being a bigot. I'm guessing we will have to wait for the civil suits for the latter, though.

beac

(9,992 posts)
55. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:37 PM
Sep 2015

I still believe she is a coward and putting her in jail will expose that.

Civil suits months down the road will get zero media coverage and will not serve as a deterrent for others so inclined.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
60. I don't know why the both of you are talking about "civil suits" as some hypothetical future event
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:49 PM
Sep 2015

The proceeding here IS the civil suit against her.

Where we are at is that the court has issued a preliminary order requiring her to issue licenses. She has, at this point, exhausted appeals of the denial of the stay of that order. She has not, as yet, appealed the order substantively, but has been appealing the denial of the stay as a procedural matter.

But - all that aside - this proceeding IS the civil suit against her (one of several, actually, but this one has gotten the farthest so far).

beac

(9,992 posts)
62. I guess I wasn't very clear in what I was saying...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 02:00 PM
Sep 2015

I am concerned that any punitive damages awarded after what will no doubt be months and months of wrangling by those "hungry" lawyers you mentioned above will not get anywhere near the coverage throwing her bigoted butt in jail for contempt RIGHT NOW will.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
65. Oh, the case will go on
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 02:09 PM
Sep 2015

This is just one early order in the case. The case will go on, but her compliance with the order, and proceedings relating to it, won't be held up by that.

beac

(9,992 posts)
71. I know. That's why I am hoping the penalty for contempt
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 02:48 PM
Sep 2015

sends a strong message. IMO, fines don't do that b/c they will be paid by someone else and she'll be sitting pretty and still at work until/unless KY decides to prosecute her for the Class A misdemeanor of first-degree official misconduct for failing to do her job. And even if she is convicted of that, it doesn't look like she'd lose her job.

The federal judge can't remove her (and the spineless KY legislature is unlikely to impeach her), so what is to prevent her from going right back to her office and continuing to refuse licenses unless she is physically unable to do so?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
100. The 82nd Airborne occupying City Hall might go a long way to
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 10:17 AM
Sep 2015

Ensuring that the laws are faithfully executed. Eisenhower didn't think twice before sending them to Little Rock to compel compliance with federal law around racial discrimination.

59. Too late, she's already a martyr.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:47 PM
Sep 2015

If she didn't see herself that way she'd obey the Constitution that she swore to uphold.

She knows she's not going to win. She's just milking the attention for all it's worth. She probably sees herself as a Christian Rosa Parks.

I would image if she set up a GoFundMe page she'd get a couple hundred thousand dollars for her to pay any fine that may be imposed.

The only recourse is to remove her from her position, by whatever legal means possible. I favor jail. She'll still be a martyr -- out giving speeches at CPAC and Christian Coalition type events -- but at least her proclivities won't affect the rights of the citizens she's supposed to serve.

I bet she'd get re-elected, though...

forest444

(5,902 posts)
3. This much is obvious: she's gunning for the GOP nomination to something.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sep 2015

It's no secret that McConnell is mulling retirement, what with his advanced age and other problems (http://m.thenation.com/article/186689-mitch-mcconnells-freighted-ties-shadowy-shipping-company).

Me thinks Ms. Davis has some ideas as to who Senator McCocaine's successor should be (and dagnabbit, she might just get it).

forest444

(5,902 posts)
15. No honor among thieves.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

Even so, picture this: Davis is fired and prosecuted for contempt of court, and ends up doing time.

It would be a few months of easy time, and when she gets out - just in time to challenge Runt Paul for his Senate seat - the Kentucky GOP will have found their new folk hero. Church ladies everywhere rejoice!

(I lived in the Deep South for a number of years, and can tell that church ladies - the white ones, of course - are very much the power behind the throne in Southern right-wing politics).

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. She is a Democrat
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:21 PM
Sep 2015
Democrat Kim Davis is among a handful of clerks who have refused to grant licenses to any couples in order to avoid handing them out to gays and lesbians



http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2015/07/02/aclu-lawsuit-rowan-clerks-gay-marriage/29639341/

forest444

(5,902 posts)
25. Remember: this is the Bible Belt.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:26 PM
Sep 2015

A place littered with "repentant" Democrats who switch parties to get right with GOP.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
34. She's just a tool of the anti-gay people.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:44 PM
Sep 2015

She's a useful tool for them now. Once they're done with her they'll toss her aside. She will have lost her $80,000 job and her son won't inherit it either. After she resigns the people in the county will quietly elect a replacement.

After a brief flurry of fundraising - most of which will go to the lawyers who are using her - she'll end up with nothing. Maybe an occasional gig on right wing radio as one of the Christian martyrs for the cause.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
5. ACLU Files Contempt Of Court Motion Against Kim Davis, Say They Don’t Want Her Incarcerated
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:46 AM
Sep 2015

This is the same thing:

ACLU Files Contempt Of Court Motion Against Kim Davis, Say They Don’t Want Her Incarcerated UPDATE: Hearing On Motion Set For Thursday

September 1, 2015

The ACLU has filed a federal motion asking that Kim Davis be cited for contempt of court. The motion declares that the ACLU is not seeking to have Davis arrested. From the motion:

Plaintiffs have established a prima facia case, in that they have shown by sufficient evidence that Defendant Davis, in refusing to grant Plaintiffs Miller and Roberts a marriage license following the U.S. Supreme Court’s denial of her most recent (and final) attempt to stay the August 12, 2015, preliminary injunction, has, in fact, violated a definite and specific order of this Court. Because Davis cannot show either that she is unable to comply with the August 12, 2015, order or that she has taken all reasonable steps to comply, this Court is left with no choice but to hold her in contempt. Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis’ compliance through incarceration. Since Defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the Commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, Plaintiffs urge the the Court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis’ immediate compliance without further delay.

See the full filing.

UPDATE: That was fast.

Excerpt from the filing:

Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis’ compliance through incarceration. Since Defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the Commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, Plaintiffs urge the the Court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis’ immediate compliance without further delay.

Respectfully submitted,
s/ William E. Sharp
William E. Sharp
Legal Director
ACLU OF KENTUCKY
315 Guthrie Street, Suite 300
Louisville, KY 40202
(502) 581-9746
sharp@aclu-ky.org

- and -

Dan Canon
Laura E. Landenwich
Joe Dunman
Clay Daniel Walton & Adams PLC
462 South Fourth Street
Suite 101
Louisville, KY 40202
(502) 561-2005
dan@justiceky.com
laura@justiceky.com
joe@justiceky.com
ACLU OF KENTUCKY Cooperating Attorneys

Counsel for Plaintiffs

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
6. "All of her deputy clerks are supposed to join her, Watkins said."
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:48 AM
Sep 2015

So who's going to be running the office during that time?

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
10. All the deputies can probably be held in contempt as well.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

People have a responsibility not to follow illegal instructions from their supervisors.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
12. The judge probably wants them to be there when she throws the clerk's ass in jail
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

and ask them if they intend to follow the law.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
36. She closed the office this past Saturday anyway.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

Her shenanigans are beginning to seriously inconvenience the people of Rowan County, most of whom are probably not happy to have their home depicted this way in international news.

turbinetree

(24,700 posts)
7. And now the money game begins .......................
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:48 AM
Sep 2015

she and her band of merry workers that supported her in this escapade should be fined and held in Contempt and then lets see where the bouncing ball falls now on what was ordered by her through the court.

"Plaintiffs do not seek to compel Davis' compliance through incarceration," wrote William Sharp, legal director for the ACLU of Kentucky, which represents the couples.

"Since defendant Davis continues to collect compensation from the commonwealth for duties she fails to perform, plaintiffs urge the court to impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous to compel Davis' immediate compliance without further delay," Sharp wrote.
She was denying civil liberties for other human beings






turbinetree

(24,700 posts)
37. I hope the judge says that this comes out of there ......................
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

pockets and you cannot take contributions too off set your loss, and if you do, they have to been donated to programs that end bigotry and hate


Such as for starters:

http://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/resources/civil-rights-organizations







Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
16. She's got to go...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

If she stays, then teacher can refuse to teach certain people, bus drivers to drive certain people, and so on.

Sam_Fields

(305 posts)
18. I don't think this clerk is mentally fit to hold office. n/t
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:17 PM
Sep 2015

I was a government admin clerk once and just because I issued someone a permit didn't mean I agreed that they should have a driver's license. I was just doing my job.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
87. She probably thinks her family owns that office
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:08 PM
Sep 2015

"Davis served as her mother's deputy for 27 years before she was elected as a Democrat to succeed her in November. Davis' own son is one of the six deputy clerks also summoned to appear before Bunning Thursday at the federal court in Ashland."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-refuses-same-sex-marriage-gods-authority/

It's time someone else runs the county clerk office in Rowan County!

niyad

(113,302 posts)
22. excellent. I have been saying for some time that these people who refuse to do their whole
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

jobs need to refund the money they are screwing out of the taxpayers.

Hekate

(90,683 posts)
26. Wait. I thought she was A county clerk; now you mean she's THE County Clerk? If so....
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:26 PM
Sep 2015

...that would explain why she's not being processed through Human Resources right now, on her way to being fired for insubordination and failure to perform her lawful duties.

MOREHEAD — A federal judge has ordered Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis to appear in his courtroom Thursday and explain why she should not be held in contempt of court, according to Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins. All of her deputy clerks are supposed to join her, Watkins said.


This is the first time I've seen all the capital letters in place. It's typically an elected position, and one with a lot of responsibility (like elections). Now I understand why she's not pounding the pavement looking for a new job. She's going to be a lot harder to get rid of than that, because, like The Mayor, she doesn't really have a boss to fire her immediately.

The plaintiffs are, imo, right to want fines imposed, and not jail. Jail would make this bigot all the more a martyr to the lost cause.



kay1864

(5,064 posts)
35. Yep, she would need to be impeached by the state legislature
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:45 PM
Sep 2015

or voted out, but that would take too long.

I'm guessing if the fines from the Federal judge are onerous enough (and I'm guessing they accrue to her personally, not to the county), she would just resign, since he would likely include additional fines for each license she refuses to issue.

And if she's found guilty of official misconduct, she can be jailed for up to 365 days. Not sure if she still draws a salary if she's in jail (I'm guessing not, or more likely, that there's a provision that you lose your job--even an elected one--if you're jailed on such a charge)

The official misconduct process (a separate process, since it's state-level, whereas the contempt of court is Federal level) will take longer though, since the state Attorney General has to appoint a special prosecutor, then a jury, etc.

Either way...it's schadenfreudelicious!

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
28. 2 months salary at 80k a year is 13 k
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:30 PM
Sep 2015

its been 2 months since the supreme court decision.
i figure 10x that is a reasonable about,so 130k in fines plus 5k a day until she complies. seize her property staring thursday until she pays.

and if idiots start a go fund me account to support her,increase the fine by the amount in the account

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
33. Im fine with her going to jail.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

ACLU should have stood behind jail time and convinced the plaintiffs of it also. WEAK SAUCE!

I'm hoping the judge has the brass to hammer her with as much hard time as possible.

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
45. That would happen ...jail or fines...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:00 PM
Sep 2015

They've already begun the martyr drama, and they will go on to right wing rampage radio no matter what the judge decides, so the judge may as well kick her ass hard and send a message. The opportunity to strike hard now will send a clear message later so these clowns can't shrug it off and try again,or elsewhere. They will laugh at it off otherwise. Time to get real, right now !

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
56. Fines will have a serious impact, and deny her the theatre she craves.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:38 PM
Sep 2015

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if she's not the one playing the Liberty Counsel. She may not be the figurehead they would have chosen. Too many marriages and divorces, she's a Democrat, not very appealing..... I predict that they will start to distance themselves from her soon, especially if she costs them money.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
74. I'd rather justice not be predicated on the popularity of a decision
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 03:34 PM
Sep 2015

I'd rather justice not be predicated on the popularity of a decision, as then it becomes less justice, and merely a popularity contest.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
82. Bring lots and lots of chocolate, marshmellows, and graham crackers!
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 07:11 PM
Sep 2015

I'm sure it could produce enough heat for a S'more party.

Mendocino

(7,490 posts)
31. This is her
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

stand in the schoolhouse door moment. We all know how Wallace was judged for that petulant act.

Response to kay1864 (Original post)

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
39. I heard that her daughter is rumored to have stolen someone's dog.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:50 PM
Sep 2015

The family sounds corrupt and powerful.

Vinca

(50,271 posts)
38. I just read somewhere that this woman has been divorced 3 times.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

Ahhhh . . . the sanctity of marriage.

louis-t

(23,295 posts)
43. Her job is to follow the law and issue licenses
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:51 PM
Sep 2015

according to the law. If she can't do that, the county should find someone who can.

riversedge

(70,216 posts)
48. UMM. IT IS A Federal judge. I have hopes
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

he she will give her a good smack down and send a message about our Constitution.

Jean Genie

(273 posts)
49. Who's the judge?
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:11 PM
Sep 2015

So Kim, why don't you do your duty, STFU, and let god speak for himself. Or is he too shy?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
63. If she will not do her job, fire her and hire someone who will do the job.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 02:03 PM
Sep 2015

Have the Judge tell her, do the job or you're fired.

Martak Sarno

(77 posts)
64. Pension and benefits?
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 02:05 PM
Sep 2015

She's been a public employee for how long...with pension and retirement benefits. 80k a year should have some pretty hefty bread waiting for her.

Plead guilty, apologize and retire off the tax payer's money.

It's the GOP way.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
88. She worked for her mother in that office for 27 years
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:10 PM
Sep 2015
Davis served as her mother's deputy for 27 years before she was elected as a Democrat to succeed her in November. Davis' own son is one of the six deputy clerks also summoned to appear before Bunning Thursday at the federal court in Ashland.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-refuses-same-sex-marriage-gods-authority/

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
96. Now we know why she told the couple to stand away from the counter and stop interfering with HER
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:47 PM
Sep 2015

BUSINESS. They think it's a family owned enterprise.

complain jane

(4,302 posts)
75. At this point I think we're all missing the big picture.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 04:22 PM
Sep 2015

Clearly, judging by the grandstanding declarations that homosexuality is sinful, she's salivating over the thought of jail and finally getting some girl action. If this was a guy she would have shown up on Grindr by now.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
80. Why is this woman still employed? She's not doing her job
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 07:06 PM
Sep 2015

Let her go work for the church of her choice, if she doesn't want to serve the People who pay her salary.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
89. Her statement is bizarre
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:18 PM
Sep 2015

She swore an oath to perform her duties as County Clerk and obey the laws of the county, state and country - NOT the archaic crap someone derives from parts of the Bible to support their bigotry.

Where is that video from Betty Bowers? Ah - here she is, explaining "traditional marriage":

Marthe48

(16,957 posts)
95. The whole thing is bizarre
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:35 PM
Sep 2015

And while this goes on, so many other things are just slipping by, under the radar

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
99. Seems to me...
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 09:55 AM
Sep 2015

She has 3 choices. Issue the marriage licences, resign or suffer whatever the consequences.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
102. Love the Kentucky Oath for all Officers of Kentucky - Section 228 of their constitution
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 01:30 PM
Sep 2015

Section 228 oath

"Members of the General Assembly and all officers, before they enter upon the execution of the duties of their respective offices, and all members of the bar, before they enter upon the practice of their profession, shall take the following oath or affirmation: I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of .... according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God."

30A.020 Oath of clerk and deputies.
Every clerk and deputy, in addition to the oath prescribed by Section 228 of the Constitution, shall, before entering on the duties of his office, take the following oath in presence of the Circuit Court: "I, ....., do swear that I will well and truly discharge the duties of the office of .............. County Circuit Court clerk, according to the best of my skill and judgment, making the due entries and records of all orders, judgments, decrees, opinions and proceedings of the court, and carefully filing and preserving in my office all books and papers which come to my possession by virtue of my office; and that I will not knowingly or willingly commit any malfeasance of office, and will faithfully execute the duties of my office without favor, affection or partiality, so help me God." The fact that the oath has been administered shall be entered on the record of the Circuit Court.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
103. Shes going for the big prize
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 01:52 PM
Sep 2015

She will get sacked eventually and then cash in on the "persecuted for my faith" fiction.

Teabag republican dominunists will throw barrels of money at the 4 times married holy saint woman.

Shes a guaranteed millionaire soon.

The right is in effect, one big mass of rubes begging to be suckered out of their money and theres no shortage of prosperity preachers and grifters like Palin ready to shear the sheep.

This massive hypocrite will be the next to cash in.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
105. Why hasn't a county judge stepped up to issue licenses?
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:33 PM
Sep 2015

In checking out the duties of the county clerk (http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf) I found this provision:

Marriages
County judges/executive may perform marriage ceremonies. They may also authorize justices of
the peace and fiscal court commissioners in their respective counties to perform marriages
(KRS 402.050). In the absence of the county clerk, the county judge/executive may issue a
marriage license (KRS 402.240).
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib114.pdf


Oh yes, her oath of office reads as follows:
Section 228. Oath of officers and attorneys. Members of the General Assembly and all officers, before they enter upon the execution of the duties of their respective offices, and all members of the bar, before they enter upon the practice of their profession, shall take the following oath or affirmation: I do solemnly swear (or affirm, as the case may be) that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of _________________ according to law; and I do further solemnly swear (or affirm) that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this State, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this State nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God.
Page 40
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/ib59.pdf


So she swore to her god that she would support the Constitution of the United States - that means she swore to abide by the decisions of the US Supreme Court. She is now violating her oath to her god!
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