Live updates: Crowds gather outside courthouse for Rowan clerk's case over marriage licenses

[mahatmakanejeeves]

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Source: Lexington Herald-Leader, Kentucky.com

September 3, 2015



A crowd gathered about 10 a.m. outside of the federal courthouse in Ashland where Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis has been summoned over her continued refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

CHARLES BERTRAM | STAFF

Get live reports from the federal courthouse in Ashland where Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis will appear before a federal judge to explain her continued refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in June.

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Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/09/03/4018194_live-updates-developments-in-rowan.html

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The hearing starts at 11:00. Please keep checking in throughout the day.

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As I write, there are three related links at Kentucky.com:

Q&A: What can federal judge do to make Rowan clerk obey his order to issue marriage licenses?

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis makes last-minute plea to avoid contempt of court charge

Lesbian couple, like Kentucky clerk, standing up for beliefs

[RKP5637]

1. I've been trying to find a live video feed, but no luck so far. n/t

[madamvlb]

4. Live feed from across street of courthouse with no audio link below.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-kentucky/watch-live-rowan-county-ky-clerk-appears-in-us-district-court

[RKP5637]

6. Thanks!!! n/t

[mahatmakanejeeves]

9. From WSAZ, in Huntington, West Virginia:

UPDATE: Protesters and Supporters Gather Before Hearing for Rowan Clerk

Watch Video

It's possible that there is no feed of the proceedings. I'll snoop some more.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

10. VIDEO: Sidewalk preacher at Ky. courthouse for marriage case

Taken from the BGPolics twitter feed.

http://t.co/fMeZuPSeyQ



A man tells woman carrying signs supporting same-sex marriage that she is going to hell.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

13. Follow the law, asshole. Nobody gives a crap about your fantasies.

[RKP5637]

17. Yep, this feed seems pretty updated/current. Thanks!

https://twitter.com/BGPolitics

[RKP5637]

18. Also this seems good, looks like they will cover it asap on decisions.

I think maybe you sent this to me? Not sure, just reposting, it seem quite good!

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-kentucky/watch-live-rowan-county-ky-clerk-appears-in-us-district-court

[mahatmakanejeeves]

23. Let's add another link.

WKYT

[RKP5637]

24. Great! Got it saved! Thanks!!! n/t

[jberryhill]

27. There are also some smartphone users doing Periscope

The twitter hashtag #KimDavis is a hoot.

[RKP5637]

31. Thanks!

[KansDem]

2. I saw the clip of the Buffet-Bible thumper...

They're the ones who take what they like from the Bible and leave the rest for someone else.

He didn't explain how a woman married four times can refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

[RKP5637]

3. It's a real ego trip for them. They feel self importance and fall way short

on details. Carnival Barkers for Religion. Some in the US are often so embarrassing.

[ToxMarz]

12. She's some kind of marriage hoarder, wants it all to herself.

[Sunlei]

5. media circus

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I8OtQIGkrZI/UH3LanXmA6I/AAAAAAAAAng/qSrRPDJh144/s1600/interracial+marriage.jpg

[LeftofObama]

7. Bookmarking.

Thanks for the links!

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Martin Luther Syndrome

Trying to turn the world upside down

[homegirl]

11. JAIL HER

The court has previously ordered her to issue the marriage licenses, she has refused. Since she is an elected official she cannot be fired by the city council but the judge can throw her in jail for "contempt of court."

[niyad]

14. thus making her a martyr. asking for the fines seems a much better approach.

[RKP5637]

16. Yep, my thoughts too. If so, I hope they are heavy ones and not just a slap on the

wrist. ... this case opens up so much, for example, it sets precedence for clerks to decide how to interpret the law and to control the process/approval for so much. And, it gives SCOTUS the finger. This needs to be stopped asap, because history is repeating. As some have said, she is the George Wallace of this century. If this is allowed to slide along, it is setting so much precedence.

[homegirl]

29. The script

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is already being written for this scoflaw to sell her story to the ever hungry entertainment media. One way or the other she is figuring out how to cash in.

[RKP5637]

34. Yep! Religion, Inc. = $$$$$'s = tax free! n/t

[BlueIdaho]

19. Ongoing Fines

$1,000 a day until she obeys the court's ruling.

[old guy]

20. Not sure if the fines will do anything.

Donations will pay, not her. She will not suffer monetarily regardless of the fines. She will not be able to have a surrogate sit in jail for her. She would be a martyr only to people who already see her as a martyr. Send her to jail if the law allows for it.

[ncliberal]

33. Exactly

Fines will be taken care of with a GoFundMe account. She'll end up making money and not suffer any real consequences. She should have resigned if she had any real convictions about her beliefs.

[bvf]

35. Agreed.

All the hand-wringing about how jailing this idiot would only serve as ammunition for her cause is nonsense.

Put her behind bars and let the cameras roll. She's denying people their rights, and should suffer the consequences.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

15. Links at Joe.My.God

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Some naughty language at site, but by now, that's beginning to get ordinary.

Christian Love On Display At Davis Hearing {VIDEO}

REPORT: Rowan County Deputy Clerks Would Issue Marriage Licenses, But They’re Afraid Of Kim Davis

September 3, 2015

According to Rowan County Attorney Cecil Williams, the deputy clerks in Kim Davis’ office would issue same-sex marriage licenses, but they’re too afraid of their boss to come forward. Williams made the claim in an interview with the Kentucky Trial Court Review, which has recapped the not yet published story on their Facebook page. An excerpt:

Watkins indicates that Kim Davis “does not represent” Rowan County and is not representative of its inclusive values. From day one, Watkins told Davis “I will not and cannot support you” in her defiance of the law. Not only that he was clear he would not represent her as the law in the case of same sex marriage is clear. While he has no stance on same sex marriage, well-established federal law must be followed. Watkins wanted to emphasize several other things. First that everyone who works at the courthouse has endured cursing as they enter the building. And it’s not just at her office. Everyone in the courthouse is scared to come to work. Second that Liberty Counsel will leave Kim Davis high and dry when this charade is over. Watkins thinks the funds they raise off the case should go to Rowan County. Finally and most importantly he has learned that deputy clerks would issue lawful marriage licenses. They are simply afraid to do so. And if Judge Bunning instructs them to do so . . . they will. Davis has put, in the words of Watkins, her employees and everyone in the courthouse in a “terrible position.”

Todd Starnes: Kentucky Clerk Prepared to Go to Jail

Davis is the clerk of Rowan County, Ky. - a small patch of earth in the northeastern part of the state. She was elected last November - taking the place of her mother, who held the position for nearly 40 years.

It's fair to say that issuing marriage licenses was something of a family business - until the day the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.

No, it isn't. What is fair to say is that the position of county clerk is an elected position, not a family business. The clerk is there to assist the citizens of Rowan County in their dealings with the county government.

[V0ltairesGh0st]

21. I think i heard chants of

"god is great"..... are they really chanting "allah hu akbar" .....are they really that stupid to not understand the irony ?

[Geronimoe]

22. Can judge order she get psychiatric care?

She does seem to be controlled and irrational by some delusions about an invisible man in the sky wanting her to do things.

Her job is clerical. Her signature only attests that a form is properly filled out and filed. She is not sanctifying marriages or marrying anyone. She truly is a moron.

[RKP5637]

26. I've wondered the same. She's seems to have some real difficulties with understanding

and comprehension, and at minimal, she is letting someone else/being dictate her responsibilities.

[jberryhill]

30. She seems to completely understand the situation

As far as competence for the purpose of this legal proceeding is concerned, she appears to be fully informed and capable of choice.

“I’ve weighed the cost and I’m prepared to go to jail, I sure am,” Mrs. Davis told me in an exclusive interview. “This has never been a gay or lesbian issue for me. This is about upholding the word of God.”

That indicates she is completely aware of the potential consequences of her chosen course of action, and is fully competent to direct her defense in this proceeding.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

32. Thank you for dropping in. You've provided badly needed legal clarity in these threads. NT

[jberryhill]

36. Got the big container of Orville Redenbacher today!

[lamp_shade]

37. Thanks for scootching over.

[mnhtnbb]

40. She also is apparently in defiance of the tenets of her Apostolic Christian church

See my post http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027136238

[jberryhill]

43. So?

That's up to the members of her play club to sort out.

[mnhtnbb]

44. Read what the rabbi wrote.

Precisely. He's urging her play club to advise her to follow the law, because if she doesn't,
she's the one going to hell.

She's getting bad advice not only from attorneys, but apparently from members of her own
church who don't even know their Apostolic Christian church advises members to follow
the law.

[jberryhill]

46. I fail to see the point

First, I'm quite sure that no rabbi is an authoritative source on "what her group believes" any more so than I would expect a Catholic priest to sort out who is a faithful Muslim.

Secondly, it is clear that the rabbi doesn't have much exposure to how these people deal with that particular passage. You can rest assured they feel no obligation to obey a government which requires them to do something contrary to any of their other beliefs.

Her group turned up to support her today outside of the courthouse, so it's a safe bet they don't agree with some outsider's opinion of what they are "supposed" to believe or do.

[mnhtnbb]

49. Geesh. Read what the rabbi wrote. He quotes the Apostolic Christian Church Statement of Faith

He goes to the source according to her own church.



http://www.apostolicchristian.org/page.cfm?p=555

17. Governmental authority is respected and obeyed. Members serve in a non-combatant status in the military. Oaths are not taken, but truth is affirmed.

[jberryhill]

54. Yes, and if they believe what others of that ilk typically believe...

Then "governmental authority" which is contrary to whatever they think God is telling them to do, is not legitimate governmental authority.

These people are nutcases. It really doesn't mean much that someone outside of their belief system doesn't think they are correctly following the dictates of their psychopathy.

[beac]

25. Thanks for the links.

Wonder what's taking so long? Did the hearing start late?

[RKP5637]

28. Maybe the judge is talking to the others in her office. I think they all came to the hearing.

Not sure, but sort of pretty sure a bunch of people came with her at the Judge's request.

[beac]

39. Latest BGPolitics tweet:

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics · 1m1 minute ago
One member of the courthouse security told some close to the door that it could be another hour before the hearing is finished.

[RKP5637]

45. Thanks!!! This will be quite interesting. There is so much precedent being set here, far far beyond

marriage equality. If she is successful, IMO, there will be a potential gaggle of clerks feeling empowered to interpret the law and apply their name as they see fit.

[beac]

48. There is already another one in KY refusing to do so.

No one has sued him yet, so he's getting away with it, for now.

[RKP5637]

58. This decision by the judge just now to find her in contempt of court, she was taken out

of court by the US Marshals. Perhaps they will notice the clerk's office is not a pulpit to preach their brand of religion from.

[beac]

59. I sure hope so.

And, if not, someone needs to start a suit against that other clerk ASAP.

[RKP5637]

64. I just heard now there are 3 other clerks in KY refusing to issue licenses. I agree with this

judge 100%. It has gone on long enough. She is not the decider! With all respect, she is a paper pusher there to ensure forms and processes, etc. are properly executed.

[beac]

65. And he's given her deputy clerks a half-hour to decide if they will issue licenses or

possibly join her in jail.

Bravo, Judge Rowan!

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics · 4m4 minutes ago
Kim Davis' deputy clerks get half-hour to decide if they will obey court order or possibly join boss in jail. Meeting w/ lawyers.

[RKP5637]

69. Thanks for the update. I had not heard this. It was outrageous that she was basically

giving the US Supreme Court and this judge the finger, and doing as she damn well pleased.

[lamp_shade]

38. Sigh...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

41. The last tweet I read said the hearing could go for another hour.

Late lunch, it seems.

[lamp_shade]

42. I'm following that same link.

https://twitter.com/BGPolitics

[V0ltairesGh0st]

47. right now they have some idiot

leading the crowd in "JESUS GOD HALLELUJAH" blathering.

[madamvlb]

50. Held in contempt.

[Glimmer of Hope]

53. Wow! It had to be done.

[madamvlb]

51. Taken away by US Marshalls!

[Hortensis]

57. "Dangerous precedent" to allow her to disobey. Yes, ESPECIALLY in a Christian theocracy believer.

Across our nation her fellow believers are sincerely plotting the overthrow of our secular republic. It'll be interesting to see how the people of Kentucky see this. She's hardly a camera-ready Sarah Palin-type charmer, so maybe she'll just disappear into obscurity.

[NV Whino]

63. Yay!

Put her ass in jail.

Then it's time to forget her. No more "news" coverage.

[lamp_shade]

52. Kim Davis is in custody until she signs marriage licenses.

Crowd outside erupts in applause. https://twitter.com/BGPolitics

[Hortensis]

62. Yes, not punishment - she can get out whenever she agrees to comply with the law.

[TubbersUK]

67. Do we know whether resignation would also get her out of jail at this juncture ?

Either way, I'm pleased to see decisive action being taken against her

[mak3cats]

55. One of the tweets said the judge thought fines would not work...

Bluegrass Politics
@BGPolitics


Judge said fine for Kim Davis would not work b/c others apparently raising money to pay fines for her.
10:05 AM - 3 Sep 2015

[V0ltairesGh0st]

61. Kim the fool

The idiot had chance to resign or comply, she chose jail. |I'm Glad the judge put a boot in her sanctimonious ass.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

56. BREAKING: Kim Davis Is IN CUSTODY, Headed To Jail

Martyrdom in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ....

BREAKING: Kim Davis Is IN CUSTODY, Headed To Jail

September 3, 2015

Judge David Bunning has cited Kim Davis for contempt of court and she is now in custody and being march off to jail. Story developing!

[4lbs]

60. Great! Now, get those other two KY clerks who are refusing to do the same thing, on the same

grounds.

[madamvlb]

66. 5 of 6 of her clerks can issue marriage licenses. Judge is giving them a half hour to

Decide whether they will or join there boss in the slammer!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

68. Thus endeth the lesson for this morning.

Let us turn now to Kim Davis found in contempt and taken into federal custody by US Marshals.