Kim Davis found in contempt and taken into federal custody by US Marshals

[Eugene]

Source: Raw Story

Kim Davis, the defiant Kentucky county clerk, was found in contempt of court and taken into federal custody.

U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning ordered Davis, the Rowan County clerk, to be jailed on the contempt charges until she agrees to comply with multiple court orders to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The judge ordered her held indefinitely because he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law.

Davis, an elected official, has argued that she should be exempt from following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges because she objects to same-sex marriage for religious beliefs.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/kim-davis-found-in-contempt-and-taken-into-federal-custody-by-us-marshals/

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TRAVIS GETTYS
03 SEP 2015 AT 13:04 ET

[beac]

1. Good.

That was the only way to prevent her from continuing to refuse licenses.

Now we will see how "deeply held" her beliefs really are. I'm guessing she resigns within the month.

[left-of-center2012]

28. I'm guessing she resigns within the month.

And becomes a new FOX NEWS host?

[WinkyDink]

61. Before Monday is my guess.

[pocoloco]

87. I don't think all the money will be in by monday?

[Jimbo S]

157. Before Friday

Who wants to spend a holiday weekend in jail?

[jtuck004]

161. But with Jesus as a cellmate...

I wish I was a songwriter.

[aidbo]

117. I'll put it bluntly

She's not (traditionally) pretty enough to be a host.

I'm sure she'll make quite a few appearances on various shows on Fox, though.

[left-of-center2012]

152. She's not (traditionally) pretty enough to be a host.

Oh come on.
Imagine her in a blonde wig and a mini skirt, sitting on the Fox couch.

[Jimbo S]

162. Ah, don't forget the high heels. eom

[CanonRay]

206. You owe me a new keyboard. The N has vomit on it.

[3catwoman3]

226. A woman's hair is...

...not always her glory.

[niyad]

262. welcome to du

[aidbo]

292. Belated Thanks to you :) nm

[Jimbo S]

160. Doubtful. Not a blue eyeed blonde. eom

[RoccoR5955]

170. She will retire with lots of money

from the morons who fund her. She can take her god-damned religion and stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

[cstanleytech]

188. That's only if the people who's rights she violated don't sue her

and get a massive judgement against her, hopefully both happen.

[truebluegreen]

228. It seems impossible that they would lose,

given all the court decisions against her, but who would set the amount of the judgment(s)? A Kentucky jury? I don't have much confidence in justice; I'd effing hate to see her retire on a pile of bigot cash.

[NewJeffCT]

251. Supposedly, GoFundMe has changed their policies

I'm sure she can get money in other ways, but at least they've made it a bit more difficult.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/03/sorry-kim-davis-gofundmes-new-policy-prevents-conservatives-from-raising-money-for-you/

[iemitsu]

282. I'd like to see a Go-Fund-Me account for the victims

of Kim Davis' bigotry.
The gay couple, denied a marriage license, ought have a wonderful honeymoon and I would gladly chip in.

[TNNurse]

217. Not to be critical of her appearance

but she does not fit the standard Fox News look for women.

[TNNurse]

218. Not to be critical of her appearance

but she does not fit the standard Fox News appearance for women.

[maddiemom]

271. I'd really like to see what her four husbands look like!

[maddiemom]

274. Oh, three husbands!

[SummerSnow]

242. Then she'll have to take a solemn oath and give allegiance to Faux

1. become republican
2. hate Obama
3. hate all groups
4. deny facts

[mdbl]

276. ROFLMAO

[squirecam]

29. Agreed

It was the only way. Crazies would have helped her pay any fines.

[RKP5637]

83. Yep, exactly what would have happened. I think the judge made a very good decision. n/t

[yuiyoshida]

80. People here predicted she would be a

Christian martyr if she went to jail. The feds have her now, so will it happen? I guess we will have to stand by and wait, as this drama unfolds. I personally think she's a drama queen, but hey, that's me.

by the way, I read she calls herself a Democrat. Bet she changes party to become a Republican, how could she not be?

[JustAnotherGen]

105. I agree

The Drama Llama!

[King_Klonopin]

268. Her entire presentation screams "BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER"

This contrived tempest in the tea pot has nothing to do with the oppression
of the religious beliefs of a Christian.

This as all about HER. This is all about ATTENTION seeking:
"Look what they're doing to ME, feel sorry for ME, pay attention to ME!"

And don't doubt for a minute that she so badly WANTS and HOPES to be made
into a poor, maltreated martyr-figure. Folks like Ted Cruz and Fux News will be
more than happy to play that game and reward this sick bullshit.

The shameless hypocrisy viz a viz her 3 dissolved marriages is obvious, but what
does that say about her past partners' ability to tolerate being in a relationship
with her?

If you look through the outward facade, the faux sanctimony, you may not be
shocked to find a genuinely mean -spirited, angry, sadistic bully who lives for
the opportunity to enrage other people while still coming across as if she were the
victim.

Yup, this DQ is truly a piece of work.

You work for the State of Kentucky (abbreviated "KY", ironically!) not for the
evangelical church of pious southern hate-mongers, Inc. --
Get help and get over yourself !!!!

[smirkymonkey]

288. I think you nailed it with the Drama Queen tag.

I think she's eating up all this attention w/ a big old spoon.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

240. I was taught in high school government class...

... that the government cannot interfere with your religious beliefs, but they can interfere with religious practices/rituals if it breaks the law. And that is exactly what happened here.

[randys1]

2. Judge knew what to do here. Well done.

She wont last 48 hours in a real jail, she will be whining like hell.

Someone start a pool thread as to how long she lasts before she gives up.

[mnhtnbb]

17. I just thought about starting a pool thread!

I'll give her a week.

[lapislzi]

30. Nah.

She won't give up. She's probably already setting up her Go Fund Me page, because persecution.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

47. Well, GOFUNDME won't get her out of jail!

[passiveporcupine]

232. They need to change their name

GOFUNDYME

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

249. Good one! And seemingly apropos!

[still_one]

56. Unfortunately, you are right. She wants to be viewed as a "martyr". What they really should do is

impeach her to remove her from office for violating federal law.

[lapislzi]

73. Good luck rounding up those votes in Kentucky.

Sadly, this is a win-win for the bigot.

[Frank Cannon]

114. She will only be a martyr for people who have already made up their minds.

It's not like there are any people who were just sitting on the fence about whether gays should be able to marry, and now they're all going to be activists because of the poor persecuted bigot lady.

The people who feel any sympathy for this woman were crazy to begin with.

[passiveporcupine]

234. Still waiting to see what the deputy clerks working under her do

They've been instructed to speak to their lawyers...they have been issued a ruling by the judge that they can issue marriage licenses, even though their "clerk" won't. One of her deputy clerks is her son.

How many people can fit in one jail cell?

[TBF]

72. Go fund me will not allow her page

if it follows it's own guidelines:

Campaigns in defense of formal charges or claims of heinous crimes, violent, hateful, sexual or discriminatory acts

She's definitely discriminating.

https://www.gofundme.com/blog/2015/04/29/protecting-our-community/

[lapislzi]

81. That's a relief.

But I'm certain zealots all over the country will just send her money via other means. Which is just too depressing to contemplate...

[lark]

91. Zimmer had GoFundMe, didn't he?

He certainly didn't meet that criteria.

[TBF]

115. Check out the link at the blog

I'm pretty sure they changed their policy because of that slimeball.

[Duval]

167. Oh, good! eom

[workinclasszero]

158. Only in America

do "martyr's" become fabulously wealthy, have TV and radio shows and book deals and get paid 50 grand a speech to moan about the turrble persecution they had to undergo to discriminate against their fellow citizens.

[homegirl]

191. GoFundMe

no longer manages accounts for people involved in political/legal issues. Not since the pizza people collected over $800K.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

255. Yup.

GoFundMe will not allow campaigns that benefit individuals or groups facing formal charges or claims of serious violations of the law.

[RKP5637]

88. Yep! The judge made an excellent decision!!! n/t

[riversedge]

3. oh jail not good. Now she is persecuted christian!!

[Raster]

14. Yes, for some she will be the martyr of the moment....

...HOWEVER, I think most reasonable, rational and intelligent persons -- no matter their personal religious beliefs -- realize that to allow Davis to use her elected office to enforce her own religious beliefs sets a precedent that is most dangerous for all. The legal foundation of our very republic would be grossly diminished. That precedent door can swing both ways.

[avebury]

15. But at least husband number 4 will know where she is.

[StandingInLeftField]

49. I like to think of husband 4 as husband v3.1

since husbands 3 and 4 are the same man.

[avebury]

53. She married husband no. 3 twice?

If so, he is a glutton for punishment.

[underpants]

101. Married #1, divorced, gave birth to twins 5 months later...

Here's where it gets interesting

Husband #2 was not the father but he adopted the twins. About 10 years later they divorced.

She married #3 who IS the father of the twins but they later divorced.

#4 is actually #2 - they remarried and are still married.

Did I clear that up?

[avebury]

122. OK so Husband No. 2 is the glutton for

punishment.

[underpants]

129. That poor woman at the front desk

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#sitnexttoKimDavis is HILARIOUS

[Lochloosa]

199. You have to feel for her....

[nichomachus]

131. How did Maury miss this? nt

[underpants]

141. LOL

[kiri]

201. fornication? before marriage?

You are implying that this devout Christian woman--with lots of deeply held beliefs--actually fornicated? May committed adultery, too?

I am shocked at the mere suggestion.

[underpants]

202. No no no, she WAS married

Just not to the person she was fornicating



Actually this might have been before she repented. It's all part of God's plan you know....well the gays aren't but nobody's perfect

[kiri]

204. But nepotism among the coeds and innocents?

"Actually this might have been before she repented." Glad you clearerd that up.

The Bible is generally in favor of nepotism, but practicing nepotism among the coeds and innocents is an altogether worse sin.

[niyad]

263. nah, all this happened before she found JAYSUS and all her sins were forgiven.

she is now an empty (oops, meant, clean) slate.

[maddiemom]

273. Supposedly she only became "Christian" a few years back.

If so, all her prior sins are forgiven.

[gregcrawford]

74. I read that it was #2 and #4 were the same guy...

... can't tell one husband from another without a score card!

[StandingInLeftField]

78. NPR (I know....) reported it as 3 and 4

but they've been known to be wrong in the past

They also made it a point to say in their opening sentence that she was a Democrat - I have no independent confirmation of that, but thought it said volumes about NPR these days.

[gregcrawford]

92. Of little consequence one way or the other...

... but even a masochist welcomes a break now and then. I'll bet he's breathing a great sigh of relief. "Praise the Lord" self-righteousness get old real quick!

[Hoppy]

257. NYT also reported her a a Democrat. The other nutball clerk is a Republican.

[dorkzilla]

265. She ran as a democrat. the wise judge was a Shrub appointee

The world has gone mad today....

[underpants]

106. Married #1, divorced. Gave birth to twins 5 months later....

Here's where it gets interesting

Husband #2 was not the father but he adopted the twins. About 10 years later they divorced.

She married #3 who IS the father of the twins but they later divorced.

#4 is actually #2 - they remarried and are still married.

[gregcrawford]

109. No wonder Kentucky family trees look like kudzu vines!

[underpants]

113. LOL

[Stonepounder]

177. I'm thinkin' her family tree don't branch! n/t

[gregcrawford]

190. Reminds me of a fifties novelty C&W tune...

... "I am my own grandpaw"! It's out there on the intertubes somewhere. They's nuthin' the matter with incest as long as you keep it in the family!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

212. We don't need us no Intertubes; we got your tune right here:

See if this helps:

[gregcrawford]

216. HA! Made my day!

Thank you! Although just the fact that I can remember it means I have seriously dated myself. Hmmm... that's the second time today I've done that.

[snort]

238. I seriously dated myself once

but I stiffed the waiter and I hate people who do that so I never saw me again.

[avebury]

195. ...

[Gore1FL]

138. I thought 2 and 4 were the same

This story is hard to follow.

[underpants]

203. He is

Married #1, divorced, gave birth to twins 5 months later...
Here's where it gets interesting

Husband #2 was not the father but he adopted the twins. About 10 years later they divorced.

She married #3 who IS the father of the twins but they later divorced.

#4 is actually #2 - they remarried and are still married.

Did I clear that up?

[Gore1FL]

279. I figured one of the kids might have been Josh Duggar's.

But otherwise I think I have it!

[Nay]

139. Avebury!

[avebury]

197. ...

[L0oniX]

192. ...but will she know where he is!

[Matariki]

55. Yeah, but she still sits in jail

away from her kids, her church, her 4th husband.

[still_one]

59. True, however, now they have solid grounds for impeachment to occur

[whatthehey]

71. The legislature will no more impeach her than they would paint themselves green

They are slavering for the Governor to call a special session so they can write a specific law exempting her from having to sign marriage certificates for same sex couples. Here, going against an overtly, even falsely, religious stance is instant political suicide.

[still_one]

102. A state cannot make a law violating Federal law.

[Lancero]

173. Won't stop em from trying.

[still_one]

174. maybe, but it would be very costly for them to try

[Cirque du So-What]

176. Cost Schmost

Fundie legislators see it more as an investment.

[still_one]

185. An investment to bring back the inquisition I guess

[Ed Suspicious]

90. That was my thought as well. She can now take her place upon the cross, on a cross next to, but

just slightly shorter than the one upon which Jesus resided. Poor poor persecuted xtian.

[wryter2000]

119. That'll only last until the next blonde goes missing in Aruba

She'll be forgotten soon unless she decides to obey the law and do her job.

[RKP5637]

103. At least she wasn't thrown to the lions! n/t

[Atman]

4. Let the martyrdom begin!

She'll be nominated for sainthood next. But probably not before getting her own Fox "News" program.

[Purveyor]

6. Yep. She will milk this for all its worth... eom

[Behind the Aegis]

10. I am waiting for the comparisions.

She has already been compared to the clerks who refused to admit Jews to the gas chambers...who were they again? What do you want to be she is compared to Rosa Parks!? I got money says it happens within the next few hours!

[beac]

41. Someone has already made the Parks claim.

https://www.conservativereview.com/Commentary/2015/09/Kim-Davis-as-the-Modern-Day-Rosa-Parks

Link provided as proof but, trust me, you don't want to read that article.

[Behind the Aegis]

50. Damn! I didn't realize the comparision had already been made.

What a slap in the face to Rosa Parks.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

57. Anybody made a MLK comparison too?

[MADem]

95. She couldn't shine Rosa Parks' shoes. She might pass for

a crazed extra on Parks and Recreation, maybe.....

[beac]

100. I'm just glad she'll be parked in jail where she belongs. n/t

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

175. Even Worse Article: Is the Wrong Woman Running for President?

https://www.conservativereview.com/Commentary/2015/09/is-the-wrong-woman-running-for-president

I include the link as a normal courtesy, but wouldn't recommend bothering to read the garbage. I'll give you one excerpt:

Perhaps some of them really lack the worldview to truly grasp the profound truth this simple woman is standing for, and in that case I cannot blame them. For the watering down of the church and the surrender of our schools to pagan progressivism in this last generation has unfortunately made it possible to be a patriot at heart, all the while lacking the worldview in the head it takes to develop the courage of conviction to preserve our liberty and God-given rights in the first place. As a prophet of old once lamented, “my people perish for a lack of knowledge.”

To those in this camp I humbly say, “come now and let us reason together.” Let us discuss whether Daniel, as a public official, was right to refuse to obey Babylon’s decree to cease worshiping God, or if he should’ve just obeyed “the law” and never risked the lion’s den in the first place? Or whether our Founding Fathers should’ve just obeyed “the law” from King George III, and never have written nor executed a Declaration of Independence?

But then there are the smarty-pants, the thumb-suckers, and the bed-wetters who profess with their mouths how much they love the Lord and want their fellow believers to engage the political process, only to then condemn patriots like Davis when they do. Maybe it’s because true courage of conviction in the face of evil exposes their half-hearted, pretend activism they’ve been profiting off of all these years prior. It pays well to never win, and then continue raising money and writing books off the people you feign fighting for as the (losing) battle rages on.

And on.

And on.

[3catwoman3]

147. She ain't no...

...Rosa Parks. Not even close.

[phleshdef]

48. Yea this isn't good. This is exactly what she and the wingnuts wanted.

[louis-t]

69. Naw, she's reality show material.

[Jester Messiah]

241. Real martyrs were burned at the stake or fed to lions.

This porcine drama queen doesn't come anywhere near the minimum requirement for martyrdom. She's just in it for the attention and the book deal.

[George II]

5. A few hours in a jail cell and I'm sure change her tune.

[RKP5637]

7. Excellent! At this stage I think that was the only alternative. Perhaps if she prays a lot her

god will come down and spring her out of jail.

[Hepburn]

8. Hope it's the Feddie detention center...

...

If it's like the one in LA, she will be BEGGING to sign those licenses to get outta there!

[spinbaby]

9. Attention-seeking narcissist

With a persecution complex. She'll be on wingnut radio for months whining about it.

[geek tragedy]

13. not from inside a jail cell she won't nt

[SoLeftIAmRight]

11. Yea!

Give her some time to think - 2 marbles clack together

[TreasonousBastard]

12. OK, so, now do her minions issue the licenses, or...

do they go to jail, one by one?

[avebury]

18. Or get fired. After all, her minions are not

elected officials. Firing is an option on the table.

[RKP5637]

21. I was just wondering too, what happens next in the clerk's office. Do they start issuing licenses or

do they have to wait on her to change her mind. Apparently, as I understand it, the judge ordered she be held in jail indefinitely until she changes her mind and issues licenses.

[kay1864]

60. Judge gave the clerks 30 min to decide between jail and issuing n/t

[RKP5637]

68. Thanks!!! n/t

[kay1864]

85. Crowd is waiting to see if she's brought out the back in handcuffs

https://twitter.com/BGPolitics

[RKP5637]

99. I'll be pleased to see that. I really feel justice is being served! n/t

[kay1864]

104. I imagine she'll already be wearing orange

Or if we're lucky, she'll be issued pink. Or rainbow. (I can dream can't I...)

[RKP5637]

112. Something like this would be nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maindawg]

27. I am sure someone will test that today

Id be surprised if the substitute clerk wants to go to jail also.
Im so happy that horrible woman is in jail where she belongs. She is an idiot . People afraid she will become some kind of hero to the wacko right should relax. The wacko right has a very short memory and they are like a snake in that the will turn on you in a second for no reason.
She is being manipulated by evil people because she is an idiot. She deserves what is going to happen to her. I hope it gets much worse.

[left-of-center2012]

36. I read or heard

The clerk employees were afraid of her, so they may be glad she locked up.

[Brother Buzz]

40. Kim Davis’s Deputies Reportedly Say They Want To Issue Marriage Licenses But Are Too Afraid Of Davis

Kim Davis’s Deputies Reportedly Say They Want To Issue Marriage Licenses But Are Too Afraid Of Davis

by Ian Millhiser Sep 3, 2015 11:05am

In an interview with the Kentucky Trial Court Review, Rowan County Attorney Cecil Watkins expressed exasperation with Kim Davis, the anti-gay clerk who has refused to issue marriage licenses due to her objections to marriage equality. Davis, Watkins said, “does not represent” the county or its values, and he added that he told Davis that he “will not and cannot support” her in her refusal to obey the Constitution.

Perhaps most significantly, Watkins also says that he learned that Davis’s deputy clerks would issue marriage licenses to all couples legally entitled to one, but that they are too afraid of Davis to do so. If Judge David Bunning, the federal judge who is expected to hold Davis in contempt after a hearing Thursday morning, orders Davis’s deputies to issue marriage licenses, Watkins says, the deputies will comply.

Davis’s refusal to comply with the Constitution has potentially placed her deputies in legal jeopardy. In an order announcing the contempt hearing, Judge Bunning said that Davis “and each of her deputy clerks shall be present at the hearing.” The deputies’ willingness to issue licenses if Davis is no longer an obstacle, however, may save them from sanctions since the primary purpose of the contempt hearing is to pressure Davis’s office to comply with the law.

In an editorial note accompanying its reporting, the Trial Court Review paints a grim picture of life in the Rowan County courthouse after Davis began a symbol of anti-gay defiance. “The takeaways from the Watkins interview are clear. Davis is acting alone in her zealous mission. Her conduct has terrorized not just her staff but everyone that works in the courthouse. And all for a foolish mission aided by out of state charlatan lawyers trying to raise money for their ‘religious liberty’ mission.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/03/3698353/kim-daviss-deputies-reportedly-say-they-want-to-issue-marriage-licenses-but-are-too-afraid-of-davis/

[underpants]

86. That one lady has had a rough week.

It would be nice if someone brought he a Diet Mt. Dew

[Brother Buzz]

98. That, or contraband RC colas and moon pies

[underpants]

133. :-)

Sitnexto Kim Davis ‏@nexttokimdavis
We all agreed that if #KimDavis falls in love and wants to marry her cell mate, we'll let her, but we're going to be dicks about it.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

142. A glass RC Cola bottle?

That alone on eBay would have paid the fine for several days.

[Brother Buzz]

159. RC Cola in glass is available at a premium in limited markets

But it's NOT the coveted 16 ounce bottle. Bummer

Get A Load Of This:

[underpants]

200. Really?

I think I know a place that carries them regularly.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

208. I could be wrong, but it's my belief, and I can't violate that. (sarcasm)

I haven't seen one in years. Various Coca-Cola products made in Mexico and bottled in glass are frequent flyers at many stores in northern Virginia. They're sweetened with sugar too, not high fructose corn syrup.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to figure out all those husbands.

[underpants]

211. It's really quite simple

Married #1, divorced, gave birth to twins 5 months later.-NOT #1's.....

Here's where it gets interesting

Husband #2 was not the father but he adopted the twins. About 10 years later they divorced.

She married #3 who IS the father of the twins but they later divorced.

#4 is actually #2 - they remarried and are still married.

Did I clear that up?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

213. But who's on first? NT

[awoke_in_2003]

248. You can get Mexican Coke everywhere down here...

in Texas. Twelve ounces (well, metric equivalent) is still the perfect size for a soft drink.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

128. She has a great Twitter feed:

And by "she" I mean someone else entirely.

Sitnexto Kim Davis

[underpants]

132. :-)

Sitnexto Kim Davis ‏@nexttokimdavis
We all agreed that if #KimDavis falls in love and wants to marry her cell mate, we'll let her, but we're going to be dicks about it.

[happyslug]

144. And if the minions issue the license, and she fires them for doing so, is the firing legal?

First, the Federal Civil Rights act does NOT apply to discrimination against homosexuals and neither does any state or local Civil Rights act. Thus her employees can NOT rely in the Civil Rights Act to protect them from being fired for NOT following the rules set by their supervisor.

Now, they are GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, and as such have a property right to their job (unlike private employees who are subject to the At Will Doctrine of employment). Thus as long as their follow the rules, they are entitled to keep their jobs. The issue is what rules are to be followed? The employer, the Clerk, or the Judge's court order? That is the real legal issue now, does the Judge have the power to FORBID the Clerk from firing any employee for NOT obeying the Clerk's rule against filing ANY marriage license.

Worse, the Court that can remove her, the State Legislature through impeachment, will not touch her. Thus jail is the only real option for the Judge as to the clerk, but as to the Clerk's employees do they run the risk of being terminated by the clerk for obeying the Judge's order?

Remember the Civil Rights Act, and the remedies under that act, do NOT come into play in this case for we are NOT talking about a protected class of people listed in the Civil Rights Act. The Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment's equal protection of the law required issuance of such marriages licenses to same sex couples, but the clerk is NOT issuing any licenses, thus she can claim she is NOT discriminating against Homosexuals, for she is NOT issuing any licenses. When the court used the 14th amendment to end discrimination in 1954, discrimination was alive and well till Congress passed the 1974 Education act that gave money to schools, but not schools that were segregated by race (Yes, the 1963 Civil Rights Act had very little affect on school segregation).

Now, the Court of Appeals had upheld the Judge's ruling on the issuance of such licenses by the Clerk, but has NOT addressed the issue of the Clerk terminating an employee for obeying the Judge's order. The later is a different argument and gets into interference with the rights of the States where CONGRESS has not address (See the 11th amendment:

The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Please note the Clerk is considered part of the State Government.

Now the 11th amendment is a modification of Article III, Section 3:

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State;—between Citizens of different States;—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_2

In simple terms, unless CONGRESS makes something a Federal action, all actions must be in State Court. Thus the US Courts can rule that a Clerk can NOT refuse to issue same sex marriage license for that is clearly against the US Constitution, but an issue exists as to the Clerk's right to terminate employees for NOT following her instructions, since Congress has NOT address that issue, can the employees be protected from being terminated?

Now, in the 1950s, the Courts got around the above problem by citing the 13th amendment, but the 13th only addresses issue of race. Thus that is NOT an option in the issue of Sex or sexual orientation.

Thus can the Federal Judge issue an order requiring the Clerk NOT to terminate an employee for disobeying the Clerk's instructions? Without a clear mandate from Congress, under what justification can the Judge issue such an order against the State (which is what the Clerk is, in this case)?

In many ways the clerk made a mistake, she should have NEVER cited religion, but instead just said she is NOT issuing any such license and when asked why, just state it is clear the state only intended to pass marriages between people of the opposite sex and when that law was ruled constitutional, she has no right to issue any marriage license till the State Legislature passes a new law as to who can or can not be married. Thus there is no valid law as to issuance of any marriage license and thus she can not issue any. When challenged in Federal Court, cite the above and ask the Judge to dismiss the case for it is a matter of State Law not Federal Law. I see the judge dismissing the case till it worked its way through the State System. In the state system, her argument would have had merit, that she can not issue a marriage license for the law authorizing her is unconstitutional and thus she can NOT issue any till the State Legislature pass a new law that meets the current federal constitutional rules. In the State courts her right to fire her employee for not obeying her would have been settled as a matter of state law, but right now it is an open issue.

[avebury]

198. Davis is responsible for creating a hostile work environment.

That creates valid grounds for the other employees to file suit against her.

[happyslug]

260. If they are forced to quit, but if they stay on the job, no grounds for a lawsuit.

Remember all you can gain in a lawsuit is loss wages, and if you hold onto the job, not lost wages to recover. If she fires an employee her defense will be that the employee did NOT obey the rules and thus she had the right to fire the employee. Even in Civil Service and Unionized work forces, failure to follow the rules set by the employer are grounds for termination (unless it can be shown the hostile work environment violated the union contract OR violated the Civil Service law).

I suspect the Clerk's office has no union and Civil Service law only states, in most states, the employer has to have cause to terminate, and failure to do as the boss wants is grounds to have the employee terminated.

Thus we are back to what power does the Judge have to ORDER the employees to do what the Judge wants them to do, when the person who signs their checks tells them NOT to follow what the Judge tells them to do? So far the Court of Appeals has said the Trial Court has the power to issue an ORDER forcing the Clerk to issue such licenses till a trial is heard on the subject. The Clerk instead of issuing the licenses, contingent on the Court ruling against the Clerk at any subsequent trial (where the issue of what affect the US Supreme Court ruling on same sex marriage had on the Kentucky Marriages license law would be decided) decided to disobey the COURT ORDER.

Remember this is similar to Martin Luther King's disobeying a Court Order forbidding him from attending a Civil Rights March in the 1950s. King decided NOT to wait for the appeal the decision to be heard (the Order was overturned on appeal) but to disobey that decision. King was then held in Contempt of the Order, and that case was appealed all the way to the US Supreme Court. King's jailing for disobeying the Court Order was UPHELD on the grounds King should NOT have disobeyed the Court Order, instead King should have appealed the order (the Order was clearly illegal, and was later ruled to be illegal, but that is a separate issue from the Contempt of disobeying the Court Order). The US Supreme Court ruled that people MUST obey Court Orders even if the Order is Illegal.

So far what happened to King's appeal, is what happened in this case, the Clerk has NOT lost at trial yet, but instead of obeying the Court Order till the trial, the Clerk is disobeying the Court Order and no court of appeals will reverse a trial judge's decision on such contempt, even if that same Court of Appeals would uphold her right NOT to issue such licenses when the appeal on the merits of the case finally gets up to them.

This Clerk is clearly grandstanding. She would be better going to Trial and point out that the Federal Judge had no right to issue the order he did on the grounds Marriage is a State Institution and since the US Supreme Court has ruled that states can NOT forbid same sex couples from marrying, the Kentucky Statute on marriages is unconstitutional and needs to be rewritten by the State Legislature and until it is rewritten THERE IS NO STATE LAW AS TO MARRIAGE. She seems to be adopting this policy, forbidding her employees from issuing ANY marriage licenses, but then is grandstanding when the Federal Judge ruled against her on an interim basis till the trial. Yes the Clerk has a point, but that does NOT give her the right to disobey a Court Order.

As to a hostile work environment, by itself that is NOT grounds to quit and sue. You have to show the hostile work environment is the product of some other wrong done by the employer. a wrong that is clearly illegal. So far I have NOT read of any such grounds, the Clerk running a tight ship and yelling at her employees by itself is NOT grounds to sue her.

[smirkymonkey]

289. Just hearing about what a bully she is makes me hate her even more than

I already did. It's not enough for her to stand up for her own ignorant views, she forces everyone around her to do the same. Ugh!

[sadoldgirl]

16. Why did the judge not offer the alternative:

resignation or jail?

Oh yes, she will now become a Christian martyr.

[bobclark86]

22. She's had the option this whole time...

Now she's gotten exactly what she wanted. I see fame and right-wing fortune in her future.

[jberryhill]

25. She always has the option of resignation

If she resigns right now, she walks.

As soon as there is no reason to hold her in contempt, she walks. Her options are issue licenses, resign, or stay in jail until her term is up.

The jailhouse key is in her hands at all times. That's how contempt works.

[Ed Suspicious]

123. So, contempt is a tool to compel only? It is not a standalone punishment for bad behavior?

That's interesting. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding. Thanks.

[jberryhill]

137. No, contempt is not punitive

Contempt is an inherent and discretionary power of the court in order to obtain compliance.

If it were punitive, she would be entitled to a jury trial on that issue alone.

The most common ground of appealing a contempt sanction is that it was used as a punitive measure, instead of a compliance measure.

The entire point of incarceration for contempt is that it is the contemnor him/herself who holds the power to be released at any time.

[Ed Suspicious]

140. Thank you. You probably don't hear it often, but lawyers are awesome.

[Pacifist Patriot]

67. The judge does not have to offer an alternative that is inherent to the situation.

She could have, and still could, resign at any time of her choosing.

[truebluegreen]

235. Or comply.

[Hepburn]

111. Maybe a few days in the Feddie detention pit and that might be a interesting alternative

But.....she may hold out to be an anchor on Faux Snooze, too!

[allan01]

19. oh deary me

[SMC22307]

287. God Bless ya, Freddie.

I'm on a Queen jag today as I work on a kitchen reno!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

20. Federal judge jails Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses

Federal judge jails Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses

By John Cheves
[e-mail] 3, 2015
Updated 7 minutes ago

Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis was taken to jail Thursday by U.S. Marshals after a federal judge found her in contempt of court for ignoring his order to issue marriage licenses.

U.S. District Judge David Bunning ordered Davis to remain in jail until she agrees to comply with his Aug. 12 order.

Davis has refused to give anyone a marriage license since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage June 26, citing her religious objections. A half-dozen local couples are suing her.

Kentucky clerk ordered jailed for refusing to issue gay marriage license

National

By James Higdon and Sandhya Somashekhar September 3 at 1:17 PM 

ASHLAND, Ky. — A county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples was found in contempt of court Thursday and taken into custody.

“The idea of natural law superceding this court’s authority would be a dangerous precedent indeed,” U.S. District Judge David L. Bunning told Rowan County clerk Kim Davis.

“Thank you, judge,” she replied before being removed from the courtroom by U.S. marshals.

Davis, an Apostolic Christian, had said it would violate her faith to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and had directed her office to withhold marriage licenses to anyone, gay or straight. She was sued by four gay couples who had been denied licenses, and was ordered by Bunning last month to begin issuing the licenses this week.

[Lurks Often]

23. Good

although I would have fined her $1000 per day, going up $1000 on each successive Monday until she complied

[nadine_mn]

39. wingnuts would raise that money for her in a heartbeat

This is just the thing that cause them to whip out their wallets.

The judge was right - no fine was going change her mind. But jail might

[Maeve]

66. Let them waste their money giving it to.... the government

Personally, I'd prefer "and" not "or"

[Lurks Often]

93. I think the judge could have seized that money as well

[jeff47]

118. Only if they donated to her.

So donate to husband #4 instead. Presumably he'd share.

[Lurks Often]

121. Hmm, a legal gray area

It MIGHT still be seizable, especially if they filed a joint state and/or Federal tax return

[HenryWallace]

165. Kim Davis needs to be ignorred!!!!!!

By arresting her you have encouraged the "Christian Persecution" meme.....

The offending institution is the Rowan County government, who refuses to comply with Federal Law.

A $20,000/day fine against Rowan County would have a material impact on County Services! My guess she would have no support for her "principled stand" if it meant county residence lost their trash pickup.

[awoke_in_2003]

250. whether jailed or fined...

they are going to whine about persecution. Someone else would pay her fines- only she can sit her ass in jail.

[catbyte]

24. At least baggers won't be able to bitch about those damn liberal activist judges this time...

...what with it being Jim Bunning's son & a Shrub appointee and all.

[truebluegreen]

237. They'll do it anyway. nt

[left-of-center2012]

26. he did not believe fines would be enough to compel her to follow the law"

Evangelicals were collecting money across America to pay her fines and mock the law.

[jeff47]

35. Well, gotta close the budget deficit somehow.

Theoretically, could just fine away whatever money they raise.

Practically, there's no way to do that. They'd just donate the money to Husband #4.

[ram2008]

31. Bye Felicia!!

[Oneironaut]

32. I am not happy about this. I wish she would just follow the law.

My reaction isn't, "Yay! A bigot is going to jail!" I'm sad that it got to this point, and that she didn't come to her senses.

[beac]

54. Hard to come to her senses when she has none.

This is what she wanted and now we'll see if "be careful what you wish for" applies. She will have no platform to spill her hate from inside a cell.

[WinkyDink]

64. Yeah, well, following the law is what we all wish. She has no "senses" to come TO.

[3catwoman3]

156. You beat me to it.

You have t have senses in order to be able to come to them.

[IDemo]

33. This will likely make her a focal point of the next R debate

with each trying to outdo the next to gain Dominionist points.

[Fred Sanders]

34. Still no impeachment proceedings by the government....what a con the whole system of Christian

privilege is.

Media still calling the religious zealot "defiant" as she rightly heads off to jail still collecting her wages.

If only it were a Muslim clerk of the court being " defiant" about dosing their sworn jobs....wonder if
other words might be used...say, like "contempt"?

And where is the mass media coverage of women even now in jail in Fundieland because they dared to have an abortion to save their own lives, but without permission of God's representatives on Earth?

[jeff47]

42. Nowhere near a 3/4 majority in the KY Senate to convict. (nt)

[treestar]

37. She has to quit the job

that's the only way around it for her.

[RKP5637]

127. He put her in jail indefinitely, so she has one of 3 choices ...

- stay in jail
- comply
- resign

[jberryhill]

150. ...until her term expires

However, there is another interesting procedural pathway here, which I will get to if I have more time in a while.

Put simply, if the deputy clerks issue the licenses to the plaintiffs, as they promised they would, her continued incarceration for contempt in this case becomes moot.

The rest of the case in chief will proceed in any event, but it will be interesting to see whether the plaintiffs go to the county courthouse to get their licenses from the clerk at this point or not.

That doesn't necessarily get her out, but part of the dynamic here was that she was refusing to allow the deputies in her office to issue them.

So, if the plaintiffs get the licenses from the clerks, then it is difficult to justify, in this case, continuing to hold her in contempt since, at that point, what is that she is supposed to do in order to gain release?

Contempt is not punitive. It is a tool for obtaining compliance.

There are a couple of other procedural nits that need sorting out, but I'm sure there will be much more entertainment in store.

[RKP5637]

172. ... so, then, the licenses will go out with her name on them processed/issued by the clerks ...

but, if she personally refuses to process/issue licenses is she still in contempt if she directs the clerks to process/issue them?

This would then be a workaround of sorts, is she still then in contempt?

[jberryhill]

181. Contempt is specific to an order

It's not a free-floating state of being.

The specific order in question here is:

-------
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED
that Defendant Kim Davis, in her official capacity as
Rowan County Clerk, is hereby preliminarily enjoined
from applying her “no marriage licenses” policy to future
marriage license requests submitted by Plaintiffs.
-------

So, to be clear, she was never ordered to issue a marriage license to the plaintiffs. What she had been doing was saying that her office was not issuing marriage licenses - to anyone.

The court said that she had to discontinue applying that policy to the plaintiffs.

Again, the case-in-chief rolls on. This was just a preliminary order in it.

What today's festivities do is to provide the deputy clerks with authority to disregard her instructions to them not to issue marriage licenses to the plaintiffs in the case.

What I would expect to happen is as follows. First, it's not clear to me whether the plaintiffs ought to go to the courthouse tomorrow for their licenses. But let's assume they do. A deputy clerk will issue the license(s). Upon that happening, if I were her lawyer, I'd be right back in court seeking to get her out, since the finding of contempt in relation to that order will have been rendered moot.

There is another interesting tension here. Incarceration for contempt in circumstances where the way out is not precisely clear is another one of the ACLU's issues. That's why they weren't asking for incarceration in their motion in the first place, as it is kind of odd for the ACLU to be looking to have someone locked up.

But in any event, if the plaintiff's get licenses, her contempt in relation to that order is immediately moot.

[RKP5637]

184. Thanks!!!

[Lefty Thinker]

205. Until anyone else applies for a marriage license

Then it's right back to Federal detention if she doesn't issue it (all other requirements having been met).

[jberryhill]

209. That's not entirely clear

Again, I'd like to see a transcript of today's proceedings, as it is likely the judge may have modified the order.

The order of which she was held in contempt, is specific to the plaintiffs in the proceeding.

The judge may have issued other and/or different orders today. So the situation is not entirely determinable at this moment.

[FreeState]

227. Its clear - it covers all couples

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4OZMJyNL4--YVdyY3VvLWlyMnc/view

[jberryhill]

229. Ah, thanks

As I suspected, the order issued today was modified from the original preliminary injunction. If it remained specific to the plaintiffs, then there would have been an opportunity for some procedural fun & games.

[crim son]

281. I know it's a contentious issue but this is one of those cases

where I'd like to see the incarcerated person be responsible for paying for any costs incurred while in jail. Food, shelter, heating, cooling, laundry, whatever.

[beac]

210. I wonder if she has the legal authority to fire (from jail) the five clerks

that agreed to comply?

[jberryhill]

215. There are a couple of interesting procedural issues here

There are a couple of procedural issues that will require some adjusting. If you see a full transcript from today anywhere, let me know.

[beac]

221. Will do. n/t

[jberryhill]

231. And, yes, the preliminary order was modified

The order, as modified today is:

-----
The Court's August 12, 2015 preliminary injunction order, RE #43, is hereby modified to state that Defendant Kim Davis, in her official capacity as Rowan County Clerk, is hereby preliminarily enjoined from applying her "no marriage licenses" policy to future marriage license requests submitted by Plaintiffs or by other individuals who are legally eligible to marry in Kentucky.
-------

Hence, she can stay in jail until she agrees to comply with the order, regardless of whether the specific plaintiffs get theirs.

[beac]

233. Good news!

Thanks for the update.

[yardwork]

245. I read that she's refusing to sign the licenses, though, so they may not be legal.

Even if others in her office issue the marriage licenses, if she won't sign them, doesn't that mean she's still in contempt?

Apparently the judge has warned couples that the unsigned licenses may not be legal.

[PoliticAverse]

285. The attorney for the county has expressed the opinion that the licenses are valid...

Kentucky law seems to indicate a deputy clerk can issue a license...

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Statutes/statute.aspx?id=36475

(1)A marriage license which provides for the entering of:

...

(c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk
or deputy clerk issuing the license.

[L0oniX]

196. I think the judge can keep her in jail for a year and a day which puts her in a state prison,

rather than a country jail.

[shenmue]

38. Huzzah!!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

43. Made my day!! Secular government RULES!!

[WinkyDink]

65. Exactly.

[C Moon]

45. No photos? I want to see that obtuse face while she's in shackles.

[beac]

214. Here:

But her shackles are covered. Wonder why, since she's so proud of going to jail for Jesus?

[snooper2]

272. Check out the chain between her ankles, guess her fundie dress isn't long enough

[C Moon]

283. That is a chain? I thought it was the hem of her dress. Wow.

[left-of-center2012]

46. .....

[yellowcanine]

51. Good. The deputies can now issue the licences.

[LiberalArkie]

52. The judge that put her in jail is the son of former U.S. Sen. Jim Bunning (R-KY),

was appointed to the federal bench by former President George W. Bush and confirmed by the Senate in 2002.

[still_one]

63. Because the law is quite clear on this. I really hope impeachment hearings start to remove her from

her job

[LiberalArkie]

70. I am wondering since the case went before so many Big Time Republican judges, including the supremes

Is the party getting close to cutting the fundies loose?

[bucolic_frolic]

58. What a Judge!

Son of Jim Bunning, baseball star and conservative former US Senator.

Who can predict what the judiciary will do?

He would have made a great umpire ... calls 'em as he sees 'em.

[CharlotteVale]

62. Yessssssss!

[TBF]

75. Excellent -

how come Christians are all about following authority until they don't want to follow it? Then it's "you're discriminating against me as a Christian"

I think we all know which party is the bigot in this story.

[closeupready]

76. Now for the GoFundMe angle. Just wait.

[cp]

77. Good

[underpants]

79. Well..... God bless her

[KansDem]

82. Perhaps her four husbands can come forward and bail her out?

[jberryhill]

89. There is no "bail" for contempt

The jailhouse key is in her own hands.

[lark]

84. Hahahahahaha

GoFundMe can't get her out of this. if she had an ounce of integrity, she'd just quit, but she has none at all, so now she's in jail where she belongs. Good.

[Babel_17]

94. Good. Now she can take a step back and reflect.

Hopefully she'll eventually see how this is really just about love. When she does see that she'll find herself welcomed back into the world. Because that's how we roll.

[morningfog]

96. Enjoy your new digs, bigot!

[retrowire]

97. held indefinitely?

this is amazing.

oh please I wanna do a pool thread.

[JoePhilly]

107. But her religion won't let her wear mixed fibers!!!!!

[3catwoman3]

225. I will hazard a guess...

...that there is a fair percentage of Lycra in the clothing we have seen her wear.

[beac]

230. I WISH someone would ask her about this.

Make her go on the record about why Leviticus doesn't apply to her wardrobe choices.

[turbinetree]

108. So----------if she sticks to her bigot ways-----------------it

will cost Kentucky to place her in the system at over $14,000 per year of taxpayer dollars.

http://www.rowancountydc.org/inmate_services.html

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spe01.pdf

Now the question that needs to be asked, does she still draw a pay check-----------or will that be applied to the Contempt charge.

My guess is that she will draw the pay check unless someone files suit against her getting that check, because she is behind bars not performing her "elected" functions to administer the "rule of law" instructed by the "courts" across the land, in the county or for that matter Kentucky

[MynameisBlarney]

110. ROFLCOPTER

[wryter2000]

116. Awesome!

If they'd just fined her, other haters would have paid her fine. She would have made a profit.

[Vinca]

120. Have the crazies started a fund raising site for her yet? You know it's coming.

[Different Drummer]

223. Can't find anything about it on Google, but

I think it's safe to say it's in the works.

[yuiyoshida]

124. Gosh, is it bad of me to want to see

photos of her in a orange jumper and behind bars?

[kenfrequed]

125. She is breaking the law

She should be removed from office. What authority is she exercising in this matter.

[drray23]

186. amazingly enough

when she was asked this very question, she said "under god's authority". She is that delusional if she thinks her particular brand of religion is supposed to have precedence over the law of the land.

[lpbk2713]

126. Will she be eating green baloney on week old bread?

Or is that only in Arpaio's jail?

[OldRedneck]

130. Everyone duck and cover!!!!

Rightwing bullshit explosion coming up in 5 - 4 - 3 - - - - -

[Blue Owl]

134. ...klink...

[Helen Borg]

135. Wanna bet she'll become rich as a result?

...

[Jester Messiah]

243. The judge should tack a day on to her contempt sentence for every $ she or her attorneys accept [nt]

[nichomachus]

136. Advice for Kim

[bvf]

143. Good. n/t

[nolabear]

145. Footage of her in stir:

[crazylikafox]

163. OMG! You're right. She's Pennsatucky now!

She's even got the hair...

[rocktivity]

146. Where hopefully she will stay until she submits her resignation

or the state legislature votes her out of office.

Picking and choosing which segments of the public you serve defeats the purpose of public service. Cue the Vonage Theme!


rocktivity

[NBachers]

148. A little diesel therapy will help develop her perspective.

The Feds have plenty of facilities all over the country. They can stick her where she's a nobody, and no one cares. They're very good at keeping people on the move, and placing them way beyond their own little sphere of influence.

[workinclasszero]

149. She will sit in jail protected from other inmates

while fox news and hate radio turns her into a rich "martyr" who will never have to work a day in her life again.

Its so funny that a person that's been married 4 times and had two children out of wedlock, get to discriminate against other people that want to get married and get rich in the process.

This idiotic farce could only happen in America. SMH

[smirkymonkey]

290. I know! It makes me want to spit nails!

She's such a bloody hypocrite and a narcissist. I really want to see her get what she deserves, but I am afraid all she will get is money and a certain cult status among Christian nutcases.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

151. Really happy to hear this great news! This is where she belongs, the idiot. n/t

[shawn703]

153. One of the few times in recent history when the Republican is right and the Democrat is wrong. nt

[Act_of_Reparation]

164. How so?

Have I missed something?

[Maeve]

179. She is registered Democrat, the judge is Republican eom

[Act_of_Reparation]

189. Ah, I see.

Thanks for the clarification.

[lunatica]

154. If she gets a reality show I'm watching at least one episode

[hobbit709]

155. 30 Days in the hole.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

166. She's probably raised MILLIONS from the anti-gay Jesus fans.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

168. What happens next? What about the deputy clerks?

Tune in tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel.

Office closed

Posted: Thursday, September 3, 2015 9:35 am



The Rowan County Clerk's Office is closed today as Clerk Kim Davis and her deputy clerks report to federal court in Ashland. They were ordered to court by Judge David Bunning after contempt charges were filed against Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses.

[Angry Dragon]

180. I see she had no problen signing that notice

[asiliveandbreathe]

169. Kim's son is a clerk in the same office..

go figure...nepotism reigns supreme - he has a meeting with the judge along with the other clerks..either you do your job or be found in contempt....

Born again Christians??? - I looked it up for understanding....unbelievable....

I can't stand hypocrites.....

[Jamastiene]

267. Her mother was too, for at least 24 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis_%28county_clerk%29

She worked there under her mother for 24 years. So, her mother was also clerk for at least 24 years. They always tell us those types of jobs aren't given based on nepotism, but here is living proof of it.

[asiliveandbreathe]

270. I saw that Jamastiene

What is it about city, county, state governments - it's not what you know, it's who you know...in some cities, jobs are so wired, the job ad is a joke, just as we see in this case - as elected officials - and I use that term lightly, in this case, they have a block of voters who always turn out - consider in most cities and counties - no more than 10-14% of voters turn - especially in an off election year...which is what they do - I call them phantom voters - 'you don't see them, nor hear about them - you only see the results the next day and wonder - how did that happen...it is voter apathy as well..and then people want to complain about the outcome..

And don't tell me (figuratively speaking) churches aren't involved in passing the word..(no I am not a conspiracy theorist)..just an observer..we should have been able to oust Arpaio here in AZ last election...so, what happened...

phantom voter blocks...same as this dunderhead gov..oh and take a look at our head of education, she is a ceramics instructor for heavens sake - she is on the cusp of a decision to recall her..6 months into her term - we had one legislator saying she wanted it to be made law everyone had to attend church...I know so many use this kind of rhetoric to get headlines..but come on..enough already...don't offend our intelligence..some of us anyway..

Eye on local politics...voter registration..don't back down when someone wants to spew faux propaganda headlines..but then, you already know this..be well

[Jamastiene]

275. Exactly.

You hear about old families (families that have lived in one area for generations) being in control of everything locally, but then people say it's a myth. It is not a myth. Not only is that not a myth, they have a monopoly on all town decisions in all areas of local governments, because they get their friends in control of other areas of local governments. And they are usually all involved heavily with the local churches. I always notice how business leaders in my county use church as an advertising tool. They can do whatever they want on Saturday night, but on Sunday, they are rubbing elbows socializing at the church like they are holier than anyone around. There are a lot of pockets of America, especially in some rural areas, where they interpret the law however they want because a block of people control everything and everyone else is SOL. It is just that now, the media spotlight gets shined on some of them from time to time. I'm surprised more people are not aware of how things really are in a lot of areas.

[malthaussen]

171. Hope they make her clean toilets.

I cannot abide people who lack integrity.

-- Mal

[Betty Karlson]

178. A little jail time before her ghost-written books start cashing in?

That woman is soulless.

[beac]

182. What the hell??

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics · 4m4 minutes ago
Judge will hold new hearing at 3:30 to decide if her deputies agreeing to give licenses over her objections makes jailing her unneeded.

https://twitter.com/BGPolitics


She is still in contempt. I sure hope the judge doesn't allow this work around BS.

What would prevent her from firing the five deputies and hiring five bigots to replace them?


ETA latest tweet:

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics · 37s37 seconds ago
Kim Davis will return to courtroom at 3:30 & tell judge if she's willing to let her deputies obey law over her objections. If not, jail.


So, if she is willing to allow her deputies to issue them, then all her grandstanding was just BS.

[samsingh]

183. good - she deserves to be in jail and fines would have been

paid by stupid, bigoted supporters out there - mainly repugs and tea party types

[harun]

187. Judge isn't messing around

[arcane1]

194. It's a free country. You have the right to be 100% incorrect :)

[marym625]

207. Good

[alfredo]

219. A song for Kim

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=mZI54Y8qf70

[mahatmakanejeeves]

220. The perp walk

From the comments at KENTUCKY: Judge Says Licenses Issued Without Signature Of Kim Davis Might Not Be Valid

Sam_Handwich • 20 minutes ago

the perp walk!



Charles Bertram ‎@cbertramHL

Rowan Co. Clerk Kim Davis was led away in custody from the U.S. Courthouse in Asland. @heraldleader

Herald-Leader twitter feed

[tomm2thumbs]

224. is she holding a baby jesus doll?

just wondrin'

[NutmegYankee]

222. HA HA!

Let's see "God's law" get you out now.

[Monk06]

236. Well she got her jesus moment. Now the plea for religious exemption in front of Pontius Pilate er

the Supreme Court whose authority she doesn't recognize/

[4lbs]

239. She earns $80,000 a year as county clerk!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)

In 2014, Bailey chose not to run for re-election, and Davis ran for the clerk office as a Democrat. She defeated Republican John Cox in the November 2014 election, becoming the Rowan county clerk. As county clerk, she receives an annual salary of $80,000.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis-turbulent-marital-history/

County taxpayers pay Davis $80,000 as the elected clerk. Staver said Tuesday that she does not have a fortune squirreled away somewhere to pay whatever punishment Bunning hands down. But she also refuses to resign.



Wait, she makes $80K a year in Kentucky and she doesn't have money saved away?

It's not like she lives in NY, CA, or Hawaii. $80K in Kentucky is like $120K in any of those 3 states!



https://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/cost_of_living/

Kentucky has the 5th lowest cost of living as of 2015. New York, California, and Hawaii are in the top 5 highest.

[humbled_opinion]

244. This is all a play to get a case for

religious liberty in front of the SCOTUS....

[PoliticAverse]

284. The Supreme Court rejected hearing her case. n/t

[Bleacher Creature]

246. This is what she wanted.

Her time in jail can now be the focal point of her stump speech on the bigot speaking tour and will fill at least a chapter's worth of pages in her "woe is me" book.

[marble falls]

247. I'm guessing Monday morning. These tweeks have no commitment to their alleged values.

[tomm2thumbs]

256. found this - she refused to let OTHER clerks do THEIR jobs...

The judge later sought a resolution that would keep Davis out of jail. He told her six deputies that they are free to follow the law, overruling an objection from her lawyer, who argued that they can’t act against the clerk’s authority. All but the clerk’s son, Nathan, later promised to comply.

Davis was summoned back to court and offered the option to go free as long as she did not interfere with her deputies issuing the licenses. Through her attorneys, she declined.

“We cannot represent to the court that Ms Davis would allow licenses to be issued,” her attorney said.

_______

She needs to sit in jail as long as she will openly guarantee to interfere with other clerks from upholding their oaths to do their jobs


*from Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/03/kentucky-clerk-contempt-of-court-marriage-licenses

[Hoppy]

258. You guys laugh alls you want. Wait 'till tomorrow morning when Jesus sends a

lightning bolt, straight up the judge's ass. His ass will be brighter than the New Years Eve ball at Times Square.

Then see if he laughs at Jesus.

[tabasco]

259. Thor gonna block that bolt with his giant hammer!

Neptune gonna use his trident as a grounding rod so Thor don't get shocked!

[niyad]

261. I still want her, and all the other public, SECULAR officials who refuse to do their jobs, have to

pay back all the SECULAR, TAXPAYER money they basically stole while not doing their SECULAR jobs.

as the rude pundit put it, "does god sign your paycheck? no??? THEN DO YOUR DAMNED JOB!!!!!"

[valerief]

264. I wonder if she'll become the new Terri Schiavo. nt

[Beartracks]

266. What she should be exempt from is public service.

If your private beliefs are over-riding your ability to serve the public, it's time to find another line of work.

==========================

[lonestarnot]

269. Is she still there?

[Feeling the Bern]

277. Enjoy jail, Slappy. I do hope international orange goes with your eyes.

[OverBurn]

278. Why can't they just fire her for refusing to do her job?

[workinclasszero]

280. Because she is an elected official

She cannot simply be fired.

[Uben]

286. She's doing it for the attention, of course

It's about as obvious as it gets. If she were a true Christian she would love all...but she takes exception for the LGBT community, so she is nothing more than another hypocrite religious fanatic who believes everyone but herself is a sinner.

I have no problem with her having her beliefs, but if it interferes with government business, she needs to find another job. She is not suited for work with the public.

What if I got elected and refused to marry any Christians? How long would I have the job? Same thing!

Keep her in jail until she resigns or submits.

[They_Live]

291. I will never get tired of this headline

K & R !!